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Message 889076 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 5:29:28 UTC - in response to Message 888975.


Don't take it too easy..

AFAIK, you can get it from humans now like a 'normally' influenza..

Stay at home and enjoy your holidays in healty environment. :-)

Make BBQ and enjoy the sun at your terrace or in garden.



But that's precisely WHY I want to travel to America, to enjoy the Sun, 'cause we sure as hell don't get the weather for BBQs and sitting on Sun Terraces in the UK very often! Besides, as the Flu is confirmed to be in the UK anyway now, whether I stay here or got to the US, neither is "healthy" right?

I'll take my chances. At the moment I've got more chance of the plane dropping out of the sky on the way to the US than I have of catching flu when I get there.
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Message 889082 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 5:50:06 UTC - in response to Message 889076.


Don't take it too easy..

AFAIK, you can get it from humans now like a 'normally' influenza..

Stay at home and enjoy your holidays in healthy environment. :-)

Make BBQ and enjoy the sun at your terrace or in garden.



But that's precisely WHY I want to travel to America, to enjoy the Sun, 'cause we sure as hell don't get the weather for BBQs and sitting on Sun Terraces in the UK very often! Besides, as the Flu is confirmed to be in the UK anyway now, whether I stay here or got to the US, neither is "healthy" right?

I'll take my chances. At the moment I've got more chance of the plane dropping out of the sky on the way to the US than I have of catching flu when I get there.

Yeah, I think You coming here would be ok, So few cases and so much space, the chances of coming across a person with this swine flu, Would I think be pretty low.
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Message 889098 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 7:36:23 UTC
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I dont think the risk is higher as to get normal flu.
I´m more worried about what comes next.
Viruses are getting mutatet.
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Message 889110 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 9:44:21 UTC
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Ahh.. yes.. your are from UK.. all the time an umbrella with you? ;-)

If you go with airplane.. I think so - because with ship it's too far.. ;-) ..so you get in contact with lot of people.. take distance to persons which come from Mexico..
Or take a nose/mouth protection - it's looking 'crazy' but maybe it would help?
If you have 'good luck' - only one airflow from nose [sneezing] or mouth [coughing] of an infected person.. and you got it..
AFAIK - [I followed not big the news] there are medicine.. but they would help? For example: "Tamiflu"

Yes - like Mike said - now and in future maybe we get more mutated virus..
Not a war will kill us.. little "animals".. ;-)

BTW. I don't like airplanes.. *afraid* ..I travel only so far as my car can go.. ;-)

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Message 889124 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 11:05:11 UTC - in response to Message 888939.

World wide this flu is currently only affection people in the 20-40 year old range. In the US it seems to be limited to college students who were in Cancun for spring break. So the answer is stay away from college students.


Umm, not sure where you got this info from--age ranges of the ones infected in the US are from 9 years old up to over 50 years old who have visited several areas in Mexico--not just from college students back from spring break after being in Cancun...

@Andy--Here is some info specifically for travelers. It's from the Center for Disease Control, so it will have actual accurate and up-to-date info for those thinking of traveling abroad. Hope it helps!

Travelers Health - CDC


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Message 889169 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 14:08:54 UTC - in response to Message 889110.


Ahh.. yes.. your are from UK.. all the time an umbrella with you? ;-)

If you go with airplane.. I think so - because with ship it's too far.. ;-) ..so you get in contact with lot of people.. take distance to persons which come from Mexico..
Or take a nose/mouth protection - it's looking 'crazy' but maybe it would help?
If you have 'good luck' - only one airflow from nose [sneezing] or mouth [coughing] of an infected person.. and you got it..
AFAIK - [I followed not big the news] there are medicine.. but they would help? For example: "Tamiflu"

Yes - like Mike said - now and in future maybe we get more mutated virus..
Not a war will kill us.. little "animals".. ;-)

BTW. I don't like airplanes.. *afraid* ..I travel only so far as my car can go.. ;-)

Its advised not to take Tamiflu unless one actually gets the flu, Why? To keep the flu from getting resistant to It, As Tamiflu can't help You If one isn't sick already and We don't want a super flu bug, Now do We?
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Message 889179 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 14:36:17 UTC

The Public Health Agency of Canada has issued an advisorty to avoid Mexico if possible.
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Message 889182 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 14:40:29 UTC

Ah yes, Lookie at what I found Here, It does have a link to the swine flu in the story in this story about the Dinosaur Extinction. As flu outbreaks are or could be considered small extinctions among a population.

Although so far Cavemen knew what the ultimate weapon was and It wasn't a Nuclear Weapon, It was rocks, The larger the better. ;)
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Message 889199 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 15:33:00 UTC


In Spain so far only two cases are confirmed and both are students that were in Mexico recently.
The first one is getting better and will be back home soon and the second one is not under risk anymore.
Though, there are some other possible cases, up to 28, which are not yet confirmed.

Travel agencies must give you full refund of your payments in case you booked to a endangered destination like Mexico.
This is of course a theory. I am not sure if it really happens. We will see in the next days what´s going on.
Usually people are reluctant when refunding money.

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Message 889200 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 15:33:15 UTC - in response to Message 889010.

The media will hype it up as much as they did SARS. Watch for the Darth Vader masks to come out soon.


Not quite sure what you mean there. I live a few hours drive from where most of the 44 Canadian SARS deaths occurred. Doesn't feel much like hype when you are watching the daily body count come in from just down the road, and wondering if/when/where it will stop.

I suspect that this current flu thing will be like SARS in the sense that it will be very local, both geographically and demographically, to start with. Like SARS, though, it is worth watching because a small mutation in the virus could turn this into the next Big One.

Also, like SARS, it is more likely to claim victims that are already weakened, due to age, other medical conditions, etc. That means that the level of precautions you need to take very much depends on the individual.

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Message 889256 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 21:34:37 UTC - in response to Message 889169.
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Ahh.. yes.. your are from UK.. all the time an umbrella with you? ;-)

If you go with airplane.. I think so - because with ship it's too far.. ;-) ..so you get in contact with lot of people.. take distance to persons which come from Mexico..
Or take a nose/mouth protection - it's looking 'crazy' but maybe it would help?
If you have 'good luck' - only one airflow from nose [sneezing] or mouth [coughing] of an infected person.. and you got it..
AFAIK - [I followed not big the news] there are medicine.. but they would help? For example: "Tamiflu"

Yes - like Mike said - now and in future maybe we get more mutated virus..
Not a war will kill us.. little "animals".. ;-)

BTW. I don't like airplanes.. *afraid* ..I travel only so far as my car can go.. ;-)

Its advised not to take Tamiflu unless one actually gets the flu, Why? To keep the flu from getting resistant to It, As Tamiflu can't help You If one isn't sick already and We don't want a super flu bug, Now do We?


I didn't said, that you can take the medicine for precaution. I meant only if you have the flu..


EDIT:
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In germany you can't buy this medicine. A doctor must give you a 'pharmaceutical prescription'..

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Message 889272 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 22:39:47 UTC

A Worldwide Swine Flu Cases map from Google Maps to get you really nervous.
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Message 889277 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 23:08:46 UTC - in response to Message 889256.


Ahh.. yes.. your are from UK.. all the time an umbrella with you? ;-)

If you go with airplane.. I think so - because with ship it's too far.. ;-) ..so you get in contact with lot of people.. take distance to persons which come from Mexico..
Or take a nose/mouth protection - it's looking 'crazy' but maybe it would help?
If you have 'good luck' - only one airflow from nose [sneezing] or mouth [coughing] of an infected person.. and you got it..
AFAIK - [I followed not big the news] there are medicine.. but they would help? For example: "Tamiflu"

Yes - like Mike said - now and in future maybe we get more mutated virus..
Not a war will kill us.. little "animals".. ;-)

BTW. I don't like airplanes.. *afraid* ..I travel only so far as my car can go.. ;-)

Its advised not to take Tamiflu unless one actually gets the flu, Why? To keep the flu from getting resistant to It, As Tamiflu can't help You If one isn't sick already and We don't want a super flu bug, Now do We?


I didn't said, that you can take the medicine for precaution. I meant only if you have the flu..


EDIT:
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In Germany you can't buy this medicine. A doctor must give you a 'pharmaceutical prescription'..

Ok, Understood, I think Tamiflu here needs a prescription too.
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Message 889280 - Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 23:19:46 UTC

Tamiflu does need a perscription in the US. Think I am going to buy a few shares in the maker of the drug. Just a hunch but I think thier prices might just go up a bit.
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Message 889372 - Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 7:19:17 UTC - in response to Message 889272.

A Worldwide Swine Flu Cases map from Google Maps to get you really nervous.

I had actually hoped to find a useful map, but I see the mapmaker has double and triple posted his points and is posting points for people who just have any kind of flu and not the type A H1N1 flu.

This is of course exactly what the media will do in their never ending quest to be more yellow than the next guy to grab a few more readers.

Type A flu's aren't to be taken lightly, no flu is, but it isn't the end of the world. However if the doctors are pressed to start handing out drugs to people who aren't sick then it may well become that next year when it has become drug resistant. Who can I sue in the media for overstimulating the populace?



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Message 889380 - Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 7:56:45 UTC - in response to Message 889199.
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In Spain so far only two cases are confirmed and both are students that were in Mexico recently.
The first one is getting better and will be back home soon and the second one is not under risk anymore.
Though, there are some other possible cases, up to 28, which are not yet confirmed.

Travel agencies must give you full refund of your payments in case you booked to a endangered destination like Mexico.
This is of course a theory. I am not sure if it really happens. We will see in the next days what´s going on.
Usually people are reluctant when refunding money.


This is the latest situation on swine flu activity in Spain--->Swine Flu Map of Spain
The red spots are confirmed cases: so far, only two.
I hope it is not like Influenza.

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Message 889386 - Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 8:28:57 UTC - in response to Message 889272.

A Worldwide Swine Flu Cases map from Google Maps to get you really nervous.


The map isn´t correct.
We have 6 causes in germany now but nothing confirmed til late afternoon.

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Message 889402 - Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 10:01:45 UTC


http://www.n-tv.de/1145624.html

Google-translator: ;-)

It was only a matter of time: after several suspected cases are now in Germany, three cases of swine influenza have been confirmed in Germany. This, the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin. It is a 22-year-old woman who is treated in Hamburg, a 37-year-old woman from Kulmbach and a man at the end of 30, in the University Hospital Regensburg lies. For more details, the Bavarian Ministry of Health announce the morning. There are also four more suspected cases, one in Bavaria Donawörth and three in North Rhine-Westphalia.

One of the three parties from North Rhine-Westphalia lives after authorities details of the Sauerland. He was already a few weeks ago returned from Mexico, said a spokesman of the Ministry of Health in Dusseldorf. "Since the formal criteria to be met, was the man reported." In the district of Recklinghausen, a Monday from Cancun in Mexico couple returned under quarantine. A rapid test would, however, already negative, said the director of the Health, Ulrike Horazek.

No specific threat in Germany

Health Secretary Klaus Theo Schroeder said only on Tuesday that there was currently no specific threat to the population in Germany. Even if the suspicion of infection should be confirmed, it would initially only to individual cases that are diagnosed quickly and probably be treated successfully could. Schroeder explained that on average 9000 German tourists were staying in Mexico.

Worldwide until Tuesday evening, more than 100 documented illnesses reported in the U.S. increased to 64, in New Zealand on 14 In Canada, 13 disease demonstrated in Spain, Scotland and Israel, two each. The Mexican authorities, meanwhile, corrected their data on the number of pigs with confirmed flu deaths of people. So far, in seven cases, the mutant virus has been informed by the Director of the National Epidemiological Institute, Miguel Àngel Lezana with. A total of 159 in Mexico flu deaths have been recorded. 152 are still under investigation.

Many cases in New York

Most of the U.S., there are known cases in New York, where up to now officially 45 diseases have been registered. However, the actual number after authorities appear clearly higher: Solo at the school in Queens, where the infection first broke out, hundreds of children had been ill, said Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Many teachers and family members were infected. To date, all in the U.S. and Canada have confirmed cases of illness comparatively benign course.

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger imposed because of the pig flu contingency on the U.S. state. "There is no reason for alarm, but it is one of the main concerns of the governor, the spread of flu as quickly and efficiently as possible," it is said in a statement. According to "Los Angeles Times" There are two deaths in California, the suspicion that it is pig flu could have acted. The proclamation of emergency allows the authorities to provide additional funds for the fight against the disease available.

1.5 billion U.S. dollars for medication

U.S. President Barack Obama on Tuesday asked the U.S. Congress additional 1.5 billion U.S. dollars (1.1 billion euros) for the control of swine influenza in the United States. The money will be mainly used for the production and stockpiling of flu vaccine and other medicines to accelerate, said the White House spokesman, Robert Gibbs, on Tuesday in Washington.

Meanwhile, asked the countries of Central America on the international community for help: There would need to be especially drugs, said at a meeting of health authorities in those countries in the Nicaraguan capital of Managua. In the case of the spread of flu in the region you need medication for approximately three million antiviral treatments, the ministers wrote in a letter to the World Health Organization (WHO) in Geneva. Costa Rica, where on Tuesday the first two cases of infection with the novel pig flu virus in Central America had been reported, attended the meeting not attended.

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Message 889411 - Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 11:05:30 UTC

Head for the hills! I just saw someone sneeze:



Newspapers just love the possibility of millions of dead - anything to hype up the figures.
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