HAHAHA, K3UZZ, all I can say is read Orwell's "1984" and you'll understand my "Emmanuel BinLadenstein" reference (and the work of the RepugliKKKan gang ;-)

> Is this really also your 'political view'? You seem to be one to participate
> in civil debates, not in Carl's style of 'Internet flame-wars'.
>

No it's not and I would not have used these qualifiers.
I agree they might be a bit unrespectful.

> got to love thos south park guys lol

Very good trailer !!! I am a big big fan of south park.

*sigh* since you're so thick as to not even understand my "Emmanuel BinLadenstein" reference: "Emmanuel Goldstein" is the "arch-enemy" of the "Big Brother" state of Oceania in Orwell's book "1984." He is a fabricated enemy that the citizens of Oceania get around everyday to screech a few minutes "hate" time, and an easy focus of angst & justification for wars, imprisonment, etc. Is any of this making sense yet? Sort of like BinLaden, who was once an ally of the US in the "freedom fightin' war against commies" has now become the focal point of all ills of the US? Oh, except that Bush flip-flopped on him and called him "marginalized" and didn't get him, except whenever Dumbya is behind in the polls they bump up to an orange alert and talk about Bin Laden again.

Now what the heck were you thinking of? I can only laughingly assume you were trying to throw some sort of "anti-Semite" slur on me for blending the "1984" Emmanuel Goldstein with BinLaden? Or do you think I'm clairvoyant and somehow "knew" that your last name ends in "-stein?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

> *sigh* since you're so thick as to not even understand my "Emmanuel
> BinLadenstein" reference: "Emmanuel Goldstein" is the "arch-enemy" of the
> "Big Brother" state of Oceania in Orwell's book "1984." He is a fabricated
> enemy that the citizens of Oceania get around everyday to screech a few
> minutes "hate" time, and an easy focus of angst & justification for wars,
> imprisonment, etc. Is any of this making sense yet? Sort of like BinLaden,
> who was once an ally of the US in the "freedom fightin' war against commies"
> has now become the focal point of all ills of the US? Oh, except that Bush
> flip-flopped on him and called him "marginalized" and didn't get him, except
> whenever Dumbya is behind in the polls they bump up to an orange alert and
> talk about Bin Laden again.
>
> Now what the heck were you thinking of? I can only laughingly assume you were
> trying to throw some sort of "anti-Semite" slur on me for blending the "1984"
> Emmanuel Goldstein with BinLaden? Or do you think I'm clairvoyant and
> somehow "knew" that your last name ends in "-stein?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Who can contradict Carl's points regarding BinLaden and alerts. Remember not so long ago "when bush was 10 points behind" the terrorist alert for new york.
It was a huge "mise en scene" to scare the public. This is bad politics and I am affraid that the next attack on US although I hope It won't happen, will come without any warning. The alert level will be at green. The US government is manipulating its citizens in a way that it is so obvious and I wonder why only foreigners seems to see it.

In fact my trust in BUSH is so low that if we ever discover some day that the hole thing (9/11 attacks) was in fact organized by him with his Saudis friends for is own interest I would not be surprised. After all what is 3000 death in a 300 millions country ? I think Bush could be capable of such.

OK it might be too much, but, hoo baby baby it's a wild world...
I really like Cat stevens.

And remember, You can make people do anything when they're affraid.

Cat Stevens Will Never Attack the USA Again!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040922/325/f32uz.html

Chalk up another one for the "war on terror" HAHAHAHA

> Cat Stevens Will Never Attack the USA Again!
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040922/325/f32uz.html
>
> Chalk up another one for the "war on terror" HAHAHAHA
>

LOL
It's really funny. I have just read that news on the BBC web site
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3678694.stm and I was comming
back here to post it. For someone who knows all his songs I just
can't believe he could be a terrorist. He did convert to Islam
but hey that's "legal" and that doesn't mean you are an evil man !!!
I just can't belive that news. That is a pure paranoid non sense.

A Day In The Life of Joe Republican
-----------------------------------

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have”.

> A Day In The Life of Joe Republican
> -----------------------------------
>

Awesome.




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The game High/Low is played by tossing two nuclear warheads into the air. The one whose bomb explodes higher wins. This game is usually played by people of low intelligence, hence the name High/Low.

by Craig Unger / The Guardian

Where's George Orwell when we need him? Because we Americans need him. We desperately need him. Consider: in August 2001, immediately after reading a memo entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US", President George Bush went bass fishing - and never called a meeting to discuss the issue.

A month later, on September 11, when he was told that the terrorists had attacked, Bush spent the next seven minutes reading a children's book, The Pet Goat, with a group of schoolchildren.

And when it comes to his own military service, recent revelations show that Bush got out of fighting in Vietnam thanks to his dad's political clout. Even then, Bush didn't fulfil his obligations to the National Guard.

Yet somehow the Bush-Cheney ticket is convincing Americans that only a Republican administration can handle national security. If John Kerry wins, Dick Cheney warned: "The danger is that we'll get hit again and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating." The choice is simple: Vote Republican, or die. And voters are buying it.

A poll just after the Republican convention showed that 27% of the voters preferred Bush to Kerry when it came to national security. Increasingly, it is becoming clear that if Bush wins in November it will be because of the fear factor.

Yet the truth is that Bush is actually soft on terror. When it comes to going after the men who were behind 9/11 and who continue to wage a jihad against the US, Bush has repeatedly turned a blind eye to the forces behind terrorism, shielded the people who funded al-Qaida, obstructed investigations and diverted resources from the battle against it.

One key reason is the Bush-Saudi relationship, the like of which is unprecedented in US politics. Even after the success of Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, the subject is largely taboo in the American media. Never before has a president of the US - much less two from the same family - had such close ties with another foreign power.

Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US and a powerful member of the royal family, has been a close friend of George Bush Snr for more than 20 years. Nicknamed Bandar Bush, he drops by the Bush residences in Kennebunkport, Maine, and Crawford, Texas, not to mention the White House. He and Bush senior go on hunting trips together.

Then there's the money. More than $1.4bn of financial transactions have gone from the House of Saud to corporations and institutions tied to the Bushes and their allies - largely to companies such as the Carlyle Group, Halliburton, and HarkenEnergy. So what does all that influence buy the Saudis?

Let's go to the White House on September 13 2001. Just 48 hours after 9/11, the toxic rubble at the World Trade Centre site was still ablaze. The estimated death count, later lowered significantly, was thought to be as high as 40,000.

On that afternoon, Bandar met on the Truman balcony with President Bush and the two men lit up Cohiba cigars. At the time, the White House knew that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. It knew that Osama bin Laden was Saudi. And, as the 9/11 commission concluded, it knew that Saudi Arabia was "the primary source of money for al-Qaida", which was largely funded by wealthy Saudis via Islamist charities.

President Bush was in the presence of the ambassador from the country that is the guardian of Wahhabi Islam, the fundamentalist sect which helped produce al-Qaida. This is where the war on terror and a massive investigation into the greatest crime in US history should have begun.

But, given the intimate relationship between the two families - and, of course, the fact that the Saudis help fuel America's 165m automobiles - this was not just a meeting between the president of the US and the ambassador of a country that harboured and financed terrorists. The Saudis were special.

Because Bush and Bandar were the only two people present, we do not know exactly what was said. But we do know that the president failed to join the issue of the Saudi role in terror or how to stop the funding of terrorism through Islamist charities and financial institutions.

That same afternoon, the first of 11 chartered planes began to pick up more than 140 Saudis scattered throughout the US. Saudi Arabia and the president's defenders have mounted a massive PR campaign to minimise the damage of the Saudi evacuation. But the facts in the 9/11 commission report remain unchanged. The Saudi evacuation flights were not the fantasies of conspiratorialists. They actually took place. The departures were approved by the White House and the vast majority of Saudi passengers were not interviewed by the FBI.

This was the biggest crime in US history. But, in the midst of a grave national security crisis, rather than investigating it the White House and the FBI spent their limited resources helping evacuate the Saudis.

Over the next two years, the 9/11 commission found, the Bush administration failed "to develop a strategy to counter Saudi terrorist financing". As a result, our Saudi allies were half-hearted in cooperating on terrorist financing and, the commission concluded: "the US government still has not determined with any precision how much al-Qaida raises or from whom, or how it spends its money."

Now, thanks to Intelligence Matters: The CIA, the FBI, Saudi Arabia and the Failure of America's War on Terror, a new book by Senator Bob Graham, we know that the Saudis may have played an even bigger role in 9/11 than previously reported. As a member of the Senate intelligence committee, Graham said he learned that "evidence of official Saudi support" for at least two of the 19 hijackers was "incontrovertible".

As co-chairman of the joint House-Senate panel investigating 9/11, Graham found his efforts to get to the bottom of the Saudi role in 9/11 again and again were quashed by the Bush administration. When his committee tried to subpoena a key witness who happened to be an FBI informant, the FBI refused to cooperate. "It was the only time in my senatorial experience that the FBI has refused to deliver a congressional subpoena," Graham told Salon.com in a recent interview. "The FBI wasn't acting on its own," he added, "but had been directed by the White House not to cooperate."

In the end, 27 pages of the report on the role of the Saudis in 9/11 were classified by the White House and not released to the public. According to Graham, the Bush administration may have censored the material because it did not want the public to be aware of Saudi support for the 9/11 terrorists. "There has been a long-term special relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia," he said, "and that relationship has probably reached a new high under the George W Bush administration, in part because of the long and close family relationship that the Bushes have had with the Saudi royal family."

Graham writes: "It was as if the president's loyalty lay more with Saudi Arabia than with America's safety."

If that is the case, no wonder the Bush-Cheney ticket is counting on fear.

> Awesome.

> Very well pointed out!

Too bad he didn't write it himself. Before you plagiarize someone else's work please give credit to the true author/source.

> > Awesome.
>
> > Very well pointed out!
>
> Too bad he didn't write it himself. Before you plagiarize someone else's work
> please give credit to the true author/source.

Oups...

> > > Awesome.
> >
> > > Very well pointed out!
> >
> > Too bad he didn't write it himself. Before you plagiarize someone else's
> work
> > please give credit to the true author/source.
>
> Oups...
>
>
:) Not you :) You gave proper credit.

This is why instead of copy/paste I post a link to the source so the reader will know exactly where it came from, who wrote it, and can see what was written in its entirety.

> :) Not you :) You gave proper credit.
>
> This is why instead of copy/paste I post a link to the source so the reader
> will know exactly where it came from, who wrote it, and can see what was
> written in its entirety.

Yea and It also uses less spaces on the board. I think I will always do that from now on. I thought that the Guardian's arcticle I have posted was smaller. I have tried to find the link after but I had cleaned my cache so...

All-White High School Reunion Saddens Some

Middle-Class Tax Cuts Extension Approved

Bush Mocks Kerry's Leadership Credentials

Kerry Says Bush in 'Make-Believe World'

> All-White High School Reunion Saddens Some

That's really sad.

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