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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Here you would actually have to make an argument as well. I'm not under any "delusion" because you said so. To demonstrate that, you would have to present reasoning, something that you fail to do, even here. Why should I? Because you sez so? In short, your position seemed to consist of nothing more than repeating the manta that the world is warming and that we're all going to die. My position, in brief, was that even if that were true, nothing proposed so far could ever hope to even slow it down, let alone stop it. For that reason, spending billions on wasted efforts like Kyoto was a complete waste of resources that were better spent elsewhere. I think you are confusing me with someone else. What could have possibly even given you the idea that I could care less what the collective thinks? Do you lose sleep because many here perceive your posts as intentionally irritating and genuinely sexist? If you don't, you can understand why I don't. I wasn't aware that many did think I was intentionally irritating and genuinely sexist. Should I feel honoured that you bother to talk to someone you consider intentionally irritating and genuinely sexist? Reality Internet Personality |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Do you lose sleep because many here perceive your posts as intentionally irritating and genuinely sexist? You would need to provide evidence of that. (Turnabout is fair play and I will be able to spot attempts to weasel out of it.) The mods and your teammate R/B do not count. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
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Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
Unlike common life cycle of a thread to reach to this stage (of nearly 200 posts and over 1000 views) within week, this thread has already matured within 30hrs probably its death cycle would begin by this weekend. Hope the initial message could ring some bell to admins and mods and for some aggressive dreaming chance Eric Corpella might read this thread too. Thanks, to all thread fabricators. Mandtugai! |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Here you would actually have to make an argument as well. I'm not under any "delusion" because you said so. To demonstrate that, you would have to present reasoning, something that you fail to do, even here. No, because it's the best way to convince your readers that your position is more than just empty rhetoric. You are welcome to disagree if you wish. I think you are confusing me with someone else. Could be. That happens. It's rare, but I make mistakes. I wasn't aware that many did think I was intentionally irritating and genuinely sexist. These things happen. Should I feel honoured that you bother to talk to someone you consider intentionally irritating and genuinely sexist? Of course not, I don't consider you either. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Knightmare Send message Joined: 16 Aug 04 Posts: 7472 Credit: 94,252 RAC: 0 |
Pass me some of that please.....lol Air Cold, the blade stops; from silent stone, Death is preordained Calm Chaos Forums : Everyone Welcome |
aka_Sam Send message Joined: 1 Aug 07 Posts: 471 Credit: 1,637,878 RAC: 0 |
Diversification might improve, if the racial hatred eased. IMHO. |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Diversification might improve, if the racial hatred eased. IMHO. I agree. I have noticed a lot of racial hatred here over time...and especially against those of the Islamic faith. Not being religious myself I have little nice to say about any faith...but I still to not like to see posters treated unfairly just because of their particular faith. Reality Internet Personality |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Unlike common life cycle of a thread to reach to this stage (of nearly 200 posts and over 1000 views) within week, this thread has already matured within 30hrs probably its death cycle would begin by this weekend. Hope the initial message could ring some bell to admins and mods and for some aggressive dreaming chance Eric Corpella might read this thread too. As a Moderator, I make the same arguments I've made in this thread. It isn't the Moderator's job to do what you are asking, nor do I feel it is any participant's authority to create new responsibilities for Moderators unless it actually has to do with upholding the rules. |
Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
Maybe mods are not the main roles in this issue the Seti institute supposedly to follow the policy of supporting multicultural forum. And you would enforce that policy, since we have an "international" project. Everyone heard that the project has No1 problem of funding, but my intention is to reprocess the Forum into multicultural mode and I hope it should not hurt the tight budget. Mandtugai! |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Maybe mods are not the main roles in this issue the Seti institute supposedly to follow the policy of supporting multicultural forum. And you would enforce that policy, since we have an "international" project. A good objective that will not be implemented for cultural reasons, and for the shear weight and international dominance of English. I tried to prove the point with my Home Rule for Wales thread. A number of my colleagues posted there, but no one outside that posted. There are many who post in the fora whose main language is not English, and yet they post in my language better than I can in their own. Personally I find your ambition to open the threads to people with other languages idealistic. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Maybe mods are not the main roles in this issue the Seti institute supposedly to follow the policy of supporting multicultural forum. And you would enforce that policy, since we have an "international" project. A multicultural forum should not be a rule. It should be a choice. No form of forum legislation should dictate what percentage of posts should be of a different language. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Maybe mods are not the main roles in this issue the Seti institute supposedly to follow the policy of supporting multicultural forum. And you would enforce that policy, since we have an "international" project. Orgil ... while I do not agree with the way some have responded to you (and to cRunchy) ... it has been stated simply: it is not the administration's responsibility to make the forum multicultural. Nor is it the responsibility of the mods. Besides, some mods say "Be careful what you wish for; you might just get it ... and more." What the administration cares about, and rightfully so, is having many people crunch for the project. I have said it time and time and time again: these forums are merely hosted by the project and can only be posted on by people who are participating or did participate and have enough RAC remaining to keep posting for a while; beyond that, the project and the forums are separate, except that there can be public relations problems. You are already a volunteer, Orgil, by crunching for the project. You can volunteer to get a wider range of people in the world crunching for the project, first of all, followed by getting those people involved in what become a more diverse forum. (As it says at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/moderation.php, We aren't a social engineering project nor are we in the business of creating a perfectly fair system. While some things evolve, I am willing to bet the stance of the project administrators regarding this one issue will not change.) I am sorry this point keeps getting lost. OzzFan said it; Knightmare said something similar and provided another option. Unfortunately, OzzFan did not keep to the topic and his main, most important point, was lost. The posts of many others, and a small number of my own, contributed to the loss of the point. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
Egoism...(self worth==does not equal genders/race/age..or anything else. On;ly bigots support that lie. Why do this? Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
Whenever the 'cloud' of gender/race/origin of birth/skin color/ whatever gets bandied about it's usually a sign that someone has an agenda. They've got an agenda for 'womens rights' or 'white rights' or 'black rights' or whoever.... Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
The only thing we are touching or sensing the project is the statistics. And this thing strongly tells us that there is some serious cooperation between 247 countries. Americans manage to understand that people from europe, asia and africa Perfectly supporting their initiation and from those corners of the world people understood that from every corner of the world some reps are participating. All my idea ground is based only on Statistics, it is not personal feeling but anybogy who feel the daily Seti statistics would easily supposed to feel it as a kind of thing that tells Seti Biology structure. The participating countries who has more than 10 000 members usually loss the National identity and cultural identity factors on the project and especially in the the Seti Forum that represents Project Culture. Because their all kinds of own way of ideas already can be told in the forum or they have enough quyantity of voices. But on the opposite hand participating countries/cultures who has less than 1000 members easily feel that the forum is hugely dominated with "10 000 or more kinds" and minority voice is kind of willing to be ignored in the Forum structure. That is how Daily less than 10 countries thing occur with the Forum. Mandtugai! |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
All my idea ground is based only on Statistics, it is not personal feeling but anybogy who feel the daily Seti statistics would easily supposed to feel it as a kind of thing that tells Seti Biology structure. Ever hear the phrase: "there are lies, damn lies and statistics"? Don't put too much into statistics. They can be interpreted any way one wishes if they're good enough at doing so. But on the opposite hand participating countries/cultures who has less than 1000 members easily feel that the forum is hugely dominated with "10 000 or more kinds" and minority voice is kind of willing to be ignored in the Forum structure. Sounds like this is an insecurity issue that needs to be dealt with on the individual level, not at an administration level. If they don't feel like their voice is heard, then they need to speak up. Catering to them simply because there is less of them isn't the real solution to the problem. People shouldn't require any sort of "hand holding" and that certainly isn't what Moderators or Administrators are here for. If they're too scared to speak up (and this is only speculation, there's no proof that any sizable portion of this minority is indeed afraid to post), then it's something they have to get over on their own by simply just doing it. By having enough confidence in themselves to be able to do it and by being thick-skinned enough to put up with all the other BS just like the English speaking group needs to. There should be no special treatment just because one is a minority. The only area where I would agree with you is if there was an actual hostility (not a perceived hostility where it could very well exist within one's head). Then it would be up to the Mods and, failing that, the Admins to step in and keep the peace. Not having enough languages other than English cannot be defined as one such actual hostility. But it is absolutely not up to the Mods to coax people to post in other languages. |
Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
Because Seti is biggest dc project and if you compare, Seti Forum is kind of most alive Forum that is why I am talking on this forum. ====================
Whatever stat lies we understand that pretty much every world corner is represented in true way or in some inaccurate way.
Because you are yourself belonging to the subject country who has 220 000 members it is clear that you are simply protecting the majority Dominance Effects. (that is not healthy ethics for Seti ethical ground) Mandtugai! |
Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
I will greatly appreciate for real posting not a Thread Fabrication. Thanks. Mandtugai! |
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