That's odd, because when I looked at this thread the other day all you guys were on +3 or +4 and me and Hev all had negative ratings. Do you think it was the woman haters?

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Now that you guys are talking about it, I see I have one at +1, one at -1, and 2 at -2. I don't know what that means. Honestly I never look at the ratings on my posts, I guess I just don't care enough what people think.

Did somebody call you evil? Is that why you changed your screen name? You will always be Agent 99 to me, Es for short.

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David Stites
Pullman, WA USA

Did somebody call you evil? Is that why you changed your screen name? You will always be Agent 99 to me, Es for short.

Lots of people have called me evil David, those that haven't just don't know me well enough ;-)

I like Agent 99 though, I wish I'd thought of that myself!!

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I would like to make another post to give the 2 women another chance to give me a -2 rating. One should never ask a question of someone, if they do not want to hear an answer. I'm not assuming Hev gave me a rating. At least respond in a verbal discussion rather than censorship if you disagree unless of coure I blocked you already for abusive behaviors. That is passive agressive behavior, LOL.

Conversely, why are women afraid of a masculinist? If a man wishes to have equal rights and protections, what is wrong with that? That was what my post adressed that ended up with a -2 rating. Why is it wrong for me to want equal rights in society or relationship? I won't assume you gave me a bad rating if you reply because I pretty sure I already know who did it. LOL.

I'm sorry Sleestak I did mean to respond to your earlier post sooner than this but have been very busy at work. To start with I haven't minused you or anybody. The link that Nobody posted is a very good explanation of some of psychological processes involved in unconscious bias, which is why we can also have institutional racism and sexism. I sympathise with your position in finding yourself as the only man in a group of women, where you find yourself the minority. This is also the position for the women here on Seti who are in the minority and who can sometimes find themselves sitting uncomfortably within a male culture. If you look through this thread there is a persistent diatribe against feminism so that could be felt as women-hating. But I am optimistic. I believe that our common humanity is what is important and that we, both women and men, well indeed everybody, is entitled to equal rights and consideration.

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I like Agent 99 though, I wish I'd thought of that myself!!

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You're welcome to use it. I'm not going to go incognito.

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David Stites
Pullman, WA USA

If you look through this thread there is a persistent diatribe against feminism so that could be felt as women-hating.

Hev, if I may interject, having just read this from top to bottom, I see the "persistant diatribe" not at all against feminism in general, but against the extremists who take the position far beyond what is reasonable. Like most others here, I fully support the equality issues that were the cornerstones of the basic feminist movement, but even in my relatively short life, I've met a large number of women who fanatically believe men are the scourge of the earth. Can't say I agree with that idea :)

Anecdotally, I just finished an Anthropology class with a professor who was strongly feminist, and who often raised a number of excellent points regarding that subject. However, I found it humourous that she occasionally railed against instances of repression against women in ancient cultures, given that Anthropology is supposed to be an unbiased, straightforward study of human ancestry, good and bad....

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Well, ya know what? I'm sure women throughout history would be damn glad for the men dying in droves to protect their city under seige.

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Never Forget a Friend. Or an Enemy.

Sigh, how did this get into man hating and femanist )*(&@#$)(*@#$ nm I wont ask.


Anyway how about that movie eh? Da Vinci Code shocked the critics and I loved it. Very rarely does a movie follow so closely to that of the book.

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Well, ya know what? I'm sure women throughout history would be damn glad for the men dying in droves to protect their city under seige.

Protecting the city from who?

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Well, ya know what? I'm sure women throughout history would be damn glad for the men dying in droves to protect their city under seige.

Protecting the city from who?

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I know the feminist answer. It is men protecting the city from...men... therefore all men are bad, they don't care about the women at all, they are just protecting their property.

Using the same logic I can say that since you hate racists, and the KKK are racists who are white men that you hate all white men.

I see the good men of the city protecting their loved ones from bad men who are out to hurt them. It is all about your attitude which colors your perceptions. All men don't hate women any more than all white men are racists.

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Or,... maybe it's Xena attacking, before she got a heart and turned good.

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BTW, glad to see you back.

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David Stites
Pullman, WA USA

I'll come back to this thread later, I have to go to work:)

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Oh, Es, I thought you were more clever than that!
Obviously the men attacking the city have been pushed the hell out of the house by their Naggon wives who want new pottery, new gold, new fabrics just like the walled city down the way has, why don't you get out there you lazy bums instead of lounging in the wheat fields all day and SACK THOSE BITCHES! I mean, those godless commies!

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Oh, Es, I thought you were more clever than that!
Obviously the men attacking the city have been pushed the hell out of the house by their Naggon wives who want new pottery, new gold, new fabrics just like the walled city down the way has, why don't you get out there you lazy bums instead of lounging in the wheat fields all day and SACK THOSE BITCHES! I mean, those godless commies!

LOL! That was actually funny!

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Reality Internet Personality

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I know the feminist answer. It is men protecting the city from...men... therefore all men are bad, they don't care about the women at all, they are just protecting their property.

Never said all men are bad, but you have to admit that Chuck's comment was a little ridiculous. Also, back in the days when we lived in fortified cities women were property, so that's really a moot point.

Using the same logic I can say that since you hate racists, and the KKK are racists who are white men that you hate all white men.

Only works if you made the assumption that I was saying that all men are bad. But as I never said that anywhere, ever, your whole argument falls down at that point.

I see the good men of the city protecting their loved ones from bad men who are out to hurt them. It is all about your attitude which colors your perceptions. All men don't hate women any more than all white men are racists.

Well that depends on what side of the war you are on doesn't it? Perhaps the ones attacking the city think that they are really preventing terrorism? After all, I think we know that there is rarely a right side or a wrong side in any war.

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Or,... maybe it's Xena attacking, before she got a heart and turned good.

I'm glad you acknowledge that throughout history there have been many examples of female warriors. ;-) The Amazons, Boudicca, and don't forget the women who join the army today..there are many examples.

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BTW, glad to see you back.

I think Captain Avatar and Ageless have done a pretty good job of cleaning up the Cafe. The only ones left squealing about the regime change are the known trouble makers. :-)

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Reality Internet Personality

Never said all men are bad,

I inferred it from your comment.

Well that depends on what side of the war you are on doesn't it? Perhaps the ones attacking the city think that they are really preventing terrorism? After all, I think we know that there is rarely a right side or a wrong side in any war.

As in the Trojan war? The Greeks thought Paris had stolen Helen when in fact she had run off with him and not said anything to her husband.

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Or,... maybe it's Xena attacking, before she got a heart and turned good.

I'm glad you acknowledge that throughout history there have been many examples of female warriors. ;-) The Amazons, Boudicca, and don't forget the women who join the army today..there are many examples.

Many fictional examples of women fighting men with swords and spears. Mostly they were just pouring hot oil on them from above, etc.
I am going to stop debating this topic, I see your mind is set and frankly so is mine. My position is, whatever happened in the past, I am only responsible for my own actions not those of others. If I haven't harmed you I don't owe you anything.

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BTW, glad to see you back.

I think Captain Avatar and Ageless have done a pretty good job of cleaning up the Cafe. The only ones left squealing about the regime change are the known trouble makers. :-)

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I missed a lot of it as I use these boards more like USENET instead of like a chat room. I generally only log in once a day, or every two days when I am busy. As long as posting rule #7 is enforced I will be satisfied. Siran keeps threatening to leave but I doubt that he will. Misfit says the SETI rules are not for him, he will do what he wants. Probably he will stay close to the letter while violating the spirit as much as he can get away with, like when Rom told him to stop posting large graphics so he posted medium ones that were animated, so that the effect on people trying to read the thread was the same.

Try to have fun,

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David Stites
Pullman, WA USA

Hev, if I may interject, having just read this from top to bottom, I see the "persistant diatribe" not at all against feminism in general, but against the extremists who take the position far beyond what is reasonable.

Well it also depends on perception and I can see in this thread that there are some irrational outbursts against feminism per se. You are a young man, I am an old woman. I lived before and through the feminist movement. It has certainly changed our lives for the better and I like to think that men's lives are also changed for the better. As I said before, I believe that feminism is not separate from issues of race and class:)

@ David, you and I are of the same generation (going by your profile) so you will have seen great changes for women as well. I certainly don't hold you as a single man to be responsible for what has been done in the past, that would be stupid. I judge how people behave and I still think you're a decent bloke:)

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I think Captain Avatar and Ageless have done a pretty good job of cleaning up the Cafe. The only ones left squealing about the regime change are the known trouble makers. :-)

We're also operating outside the Cafe. :)

@Everybody:
May I request of everyone to tone it down? Discussion is fine, but flaming/flame baiting is no longer accepted. So if you feel the need to go against what another person said in this thread, keep your language under control.

Thank you. :)

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I think Captain Avatar and Ageless have done a pretty good job of cleaning up the Cafe. The only ones left squealing about the regime change are the known trouble makers. :-)

We're also operating outside the Cafe. :)

@Everybody:
May I request of everyone to tone it down? Discussion is fine, but flaming/flame baiting is no longer accepted. So if you feel the need to go against what another person said in this thread, keep your language under control.

Thank you. :)

He keeps deleting what I have to say even though I used no profanity...and was generally civil....no legitimate explanation was given. I suppose it's no longer acceptable to disagree with anyone anywhere.

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

He keeps deleting what I have to say even though I used no profanity...and was generally civil....no legitimate explanation was given. I suppose it's no longer acceptable to disagree with anyone anywhere.

Read your email.

It is acceptable to disagree with people, but if you go call them names, then you get your post(s) deleted. Watch you language and you can easily post around these forums. Everyone else can.