Anger is brewing....

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Shaun Neff Send message Joined: 15 Jul 05 Posts: 157 Credit: 34,715 RAC: 0	Message 155340 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 0:07:08 UTC Hmm...I have noticed that people seem to be getting ever angrier and almost violent as this backlog continues. I ain't no peace lover. But, when has a million people yelling over one another ever led to a decent solution. It doesn't...ever. I don't really give a crap if this causes anyone to flame me, but all of us really need to calm down. The ONLY people who really should have a big problem with the backlog are those who are spending large amounts of money to keep the program running. As it has been said before. The backlog will clear. It's going to clear whenever it can. It's going to clear whether or not people yell and scream. There's no reason to be calling anyone morons, or ridiculing actual 'useful' suggestions. FLAME AWAY! I'd like to know how many people are sick of the attitudes here. And yes, I know I can leave if I don't like it. But, I'm not going to leave and none of you are going to make me. What's everyones opinion? Open the gates! I'm here to STAY! Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. <img src="http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_220108.gif"> +250 Classic Seti ID: 155340 ·

Toby Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Oct 00 Posts: 1005 Credit: 6,366,949 RAC: 0	Message 155372 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 0:42:58 UTC No flame here. Although I'm not sure this is a "new" development :) Maybe yet another peak though. Basically any time something big goes wrong with the project tempers seem to flare. Some people accuse the project admins of being inept, others suggest fixes and some say "they know it is broken, they will fix it". Somewhere in there things usually end up getting a little too hot. Then you get people jumping down each others throats and the whole thing goes to hell in a handbasket :) I do feel sorry for new members who come into the middle of it. I don't think these message boards are overly "inviting" even though they should be. That has actually been a common complaint among people on the classic message boards. I guess it is hard to fight human nature :( A member of The Knights Who Say NI! For rankings, history graphs and more, check out: My BOINC stats site ID: 155372 ·

Tern Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Dec 03 Posts: 1122 Credit: 13,376,822 RAC: 44	Message 155379 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 0:53:03 UTC - in response to Message 155340. Hmm...I have noticed that people seem to be getting ever angrier and almost violent as this backlog continues. I see two parts of the problem - one is as you describe, the shear volume of posts and tone of some of them make _everyone_ more "edgy" and likely to "flame"... and two, because everyone is seeing so many flames, they are taking offense at comments that really weren't MEANT as flames, and "retaliating", and it gets out of hand... I was "short" earlier with someone who started an entire new thread just to make a suggestion that a) belonged in one of several existing threads, and b) had already been made, discussed, commented on by Matt, and dismissed. But otherwise, I've tried very hard not to say ANYTHING to anyone who _isn't_ helpful, and to thank those who are, and to just ignore any flames directed at me. People who don't understand the problem don't bother me - I was there too short a time ago myself. People who REFUSE to understand the problem, or claim there are problems where there aren't, deserve one reasoned reply from someone, then ignore them and let them rant to themselves all they want. Answering in even a reasonable form just seems to encourage them. I'm a "noob" here, but was a moderator on another board for over five years... ID: 155379 ·

Fuzzy Hollynoodles Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0	Message 155386 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 1:04:58 UTC Flames in NC?? Nooo, that can't be! Flame away here! Go ahead! "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me ID: 155386 ·

PhonAcq Send message Joined: 14 Apr 01 Posts: 1656 Credit: 30,658,217 RAC: 1	Message 155400 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 1:25:14 UTC So what triggered Shaun? I've never read such a weird post. Maybe that pseudo-doc on the other threads makes house calls? May this Farce be with You ID: 155400 ·

Astro Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Apr 02 Posts: 8026 Credit: 600,015 RAC: 0	Message 155408 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 1:32:16 UTC - in response to Message 155400. Last modified: 23 Aug 2005, 1:33:02 UTC So what triggered Shaun? I've never read such a weird post. Maybe that pseudo-doc on the other threads makes house calls? I'm not sure and I've been looking. I hate missing out on the good stuff. I think this thread what did I do wrong is the straw that broke the camels back. tony ID: 155408 ·

ksnash Send message Joined: 28 Nov 99 Posts: 402 Credit: 528,725 RAC: 0	Message 155440 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 3:01:49 UTC - in response to Message 155408. So what triggered Shaun? I've never read such a weird post. Maybe that pseudo-doc on the other threads makes house calls? I'm not sure and I've been looking. I hate missing out on the good stuff. I think this thread what did I do wrong is the straw that broke the camels back. tony I AM NOT ANGRY. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I AM ANGRY. I HATE WHEN PEOPLE MAKE THINGS UP ABOUT ME. ID: 155440 ·

John Cropper Send message Joined: 3 May 00 Posts: 444 Credit: 416,933 RAC: 0	Message 155441 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 3:16:13 UTC - in response to Message 155400. So what triggered Shaun? I've never read such a weird post. Maybe that pseudo-doc on the other threads makes house calls? It sounds like someone wants to be a journalist (with a very small 'j') and report on the demise of SETI at the hands of the government fools (someone else's assessment) who funded it and are now disappointed at the failure of it (again, someone else's assessment). (begin rant mode, half throttle) Whatta bunch of whiny little techno-know-nothings that wouldn't get off their asses parked front of their TVs to walk ten meters to save their own grandmother from a burning trailer (but they'd bitch about how long it took the fire company to get there from across town after someone ELSE called 911). (end rant mode) Cats have an affinity for burying turds like that...anyone have a few metric tons of kitty litter they're not doing anything with? Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway? Fox Sunday (US) at 9PM ET/PT ID: 155441 ·

KB7RZF Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 Aug 99 Posts: 9549 Credit: 3,308,926 RAC: 2	Message 155490 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 5:40:57 UTC - in response to Message 155441. Last modified: 23 Aug 2005, 5:57:08 UTC Cats have an affinity for burying turds like that...anyone have a few metric tons of kitty litter they're not doing anything with? Hehehe, I got a cat, i can start savin the litter for ya and mail it to ya, but it'll cost ya! :-) J/K As far as stayin on topic here. This is nothing new. Every time an outage occur's, you get the whiners, the complainers, the bitching, and moaning and groaning. You can't please everyone. They just like to point fingers, blame UCB that the program isn't 100% error free, and its not working 100% of the time. They just like to add to the pile. Although, you do have a great number of people who love to offer assistance, help one another, and not do the above, and thats what makes it fun. :-) Keep on crunchin, the guys and gals (dunno if there are any that work at UCB for SETI or not) are working on it, things take time, and as always there will always be problems. Jeremy ID: 155490 ·

Dennis Chevalier Send message Joined: 11 Sep 02 Posts: 5 Credit: 33,329 RAC: 0	Message 155499 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 5:55:29 UTC - in response to Message 155340. Hmm...I have noticed that people seem to be getting ever angrier and almost violent as this backlog continues. I ain't no peace lover. But, when has a million people yelling over one another ever led to a decent solution. It doesn't...ever. I don't really give a crap if this causes anyone to flame me, but all of us really need to calm down. The ONLY people who really should have a big problem with the backlog are those who are spending large amounts of money to keep the program running. As it has been said before. The backlog will clear. It's going to clear whenever it can. It's going to clear whether or not people yell and scream. There's no reason to be calling anyone morons, or ridiculing actual 'useful' suggestions. FLAME AWAY! I'd like to know how many people are sick of the attitudes here. And yes, I know I can leave if I don't like it. But, I'm not going to leave and none of you are going to make me. What's everyones opinion? Open the gates! I'm here to STAY! No flame here either. Peace bro! doc ID: 155499 ·

Fuzzy Hollynoodles Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0	Message 155533 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 7:58:38 UTC - in response to Message 155499. Hmm...I have noticed that people seem to be getting ever angrier and almost violent as this backlog continues. I ain't no peace lover. But, when has a million people yelling over one another ever led to a decent solution. It doesn't...ever. I don't really give a crap if this causes anyone to flame me, but all of us really need to calm down. The ONLY people who really should have a big problem with the backlog are those who are spending large amounts of money to keep the program running. As it has been said before. The backlog will clear. It's going to clear whenever it can. It's going to clear whether or not people yell and scream. There's no reason to be calling anyone morons, or ridiculing actual 'useful' suggestions. FLAME AWAY! I'd like to know how many people are sick of the attitudes here. And yes, I know I can leave if I don't like it. But, I'm not going to leave and none of you are going to make me. What's everyones opinion? Open the gates! I'm here to STAY! No flame here either. Peace bro! doc So, doc, give us your diagnosis, please! Which condition can cause an outburst like the above? Share your wisdom with us, thou great medicineman! ;-) BTW, doc, I've changed my oppinion of you, I don't think you're weird anymore, I think you have a great sense of humour! :-) "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me ID: 155533 ·

Mosaix Send message Joined: 28 Dec 99 Posts: 114 Credit: 419,427 RAC: 0	Message 155544 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 8:56:21 UTC - in response to Message 155379. Hmm...I have noticed that people seem to be getting ever angrier and almost violent as this backlog continues. I see two parts of the problem - one is as you describe, the shear volume of posts and tone of some of them make _everyone_ more "edgy" and likely to "flame"... and two, because everyone is seeing so many flames, they are taking offense at comments that really weren't MEANT as flames, and "retaliating", and it gets out of hand... I was "short" earlier with someone who started an entire new thread just to make a suggestion that a) belonged in one of several existing threads, and b) had already been made, discussed, commented on by Matt, and dismissed. But otherwise, I've tried very hard not to say ANYTHING to anyone who _isn't_ helpful, and to thank those who are, and to just ignore any flames directed at me. People who don't understand the problem don't bother me - I was there too short a time ago myself. People who REFUSE to understand the problem, or claim there are problems where there aren't, deserve one reasoned reply from someone, then ignore them and let them rant to themselves all they want. Answering in even a reasonable form just seems to encourage them. I'm a "noob" here, but was a moderator on another board for over five years... Perhaps you are referring to my 'perhaps this is too obvious' thread when you say you were "short". I have to say that I did search other threads before I posted and couldn't find anything relevant. Perhaps that's because these pages are full of people being short with each other. It's interesting isn't it? When I posted I was particularly keen to make sure that my thread was not critical in any way of the project. I just wanted to make a helpful suggestion. As I have said I did look for previous posts and found none, yet I still attracted a "short" reply. I understand that tempers are short and that there is a lot of uncalled for critisism floating about but surely "short" posts are just going to make the situation worse. Personaly I would have found it more helpful (if that's what you were intending to be) if you had just referred me to one of the existing posts. :) ID: 155544 ·

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20331 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 155557 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 10:16:17 UTC - in response to Message 155533. Last modified: 23 Aug 2005, 10:16:59 UTC No flame here either. Peace bro! doc ... I think you have a great sense of humour! :-) Wow! Where have you two been cozying up? Any spare purrings?? ;) Mmmm, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 155557 ·

5 and a half of 13 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jan 02 Posts: 240 Credit: 21,261 RAC: 0	Message 155660 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 14:51:02 UTC Talking about brewing, let's all simmer down and have a cup of coffee :D Need help? Check out the excellent Unofficial BOINC-Wiki! 'We are the BOINC. Prepare to be assimilated.' ID: 155660 ·

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20331 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 155666 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 15:03:56 UTC - in response to Message 155340. Hmm...I have noticed that people seem to be getting ever angrier and almost violent as this backlog continues. ... The "Tech News" author has made a beautifully careful and thorough description there (August 22, 2005 - 18:00 UTC). All in very readable terms for the "not-so-techy". Looks like the Devs very definitely keep an interest in all the users and respond to peoples' perceptions and passions. Hopefully, the clear information will allow people to relax a little amidst all the FUDD. Happy crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 155666 ·

Tern Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Dec 03 Posts: 1122 Credit: 13,376,822 RAC: 44	Message 155667 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 15:03:58 UTC - in response to Message 155544. Perhaps you are referring to my 'perhaps this is too obvious' thread when you say you were "short". I have to say that I did search other threads before I posted and couldn't find anything relevant. Perhaps that's because these pages are full of people being short with each other. It's interesting isn't it? When I posted I was particularly keen to make sure that my thread was not critical in any way of the project. I just wanted to make a helpful suggestion. As I have said I did look for previous posts and found none, yet I still attracted a "short" reply. I understand that tempers are short and that there is a lot of uncalled for critisism floating about but surely "short" posts are just going to make the situation worse. Personaly I would have found it more helpful (if that's what you were intending to be) if you had just referred me to one of the existing posts. :) My apologies for taking my frustration of that moment with others out on you. In my mind at the time, the "short" answer had two purposes; kill the thread quickly so it would drop to the bottom, and tell you that a search would find what you were referencing if you were truly interested. Thread "Penguin doing too much?" - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=18355 and thread "Penguin's new status" - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=18594 and original thread "Status Page Not Updated in 6 Hours?!!!" - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=18291 Your suggestion/question itself was not "stupid", it was perfectly valid, and the wording was not critical in any way. Knowing however that Penguin had been discussed over and over again, as had the WFV (not WVF) situation, I made the assumption that you had not done a search. Again, my fault for assuming, and my apologies. Searches are always iffy beasts, and the abilities here to do one are extremely limited. My only suggestions to you, to help avoid a "short" answer from someone else next time, would be when stating something that you acknowledge could be "obvious", include in the message what searches you have run looking to see if it has already been discussed; and "pick a thread, any thread" that is close to on-topic, rather than starting a new thread if at all possible. Generally around here a new thread is started seemingly about half the time by someone who primarily wants to "bash" or "flame" rather than help, and the first post in any thread is viewed with suspicion. Sad, but true. Keep on crunchin! ID: 155667 ·

Mosaix Send message Joined: 28 Dec 99 Posts: 114 Credit: 419,427 RAC: 0	Message 155720 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 16:31:49 UTC - in response to Message 155667. Perhaps you are referring to my 'perhaps this is too obvious' thread when you say you were "short". I have to say that I did search other threads before I posted and couldn't find anything relevant. Perhaps that's because these pages are full of people being short with each other. It's interesting isn't it? When I posted I was particularly keen to make sure that my thread was not critical in any way of the project. I just wanted to make a helpful suggestion. As I have said I did look for previous posts and found none, yet I still attracted a "short" reply. I understand that tempers are short and that there is a lot of uncalled for critisism floating about but surely "short" posts are just going to make the situation worse. Personaly I would have found it more helpful (if that's what you were intending to be) if you had just referred me to one of the existing posts. :) My apologies for taking my frustration of that moment with others out on you. In my mind at the time, the "short" answer had two purposes; kill the thread quickly so it would drop to the bottom, and tell you that a search would find what you were referencing if you were truly interested. Thread "Penguin doing too much?" - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=18355 and thread "Penguin's new status" - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=18594 and original thread "Status Page Not Updated in 6 Hours?!!!" - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=18291 Your suggestion/question itself was not "stupid", it was perfectly valid, and the wording was not critical in any way. Knowing however that Penguin had been discussed over and over again, as had the WFV (not WVF) situation, I made the assumption that you had not done a search. Again, my fault for assuming, and my apologies. Searches are always iffy beasts, and the abilities here to do one are extremely limited. My only suggestions to you, to help avoid a "short" answer from someone else next time, would be when stating something that you acknowledge could be "obvious", include in the message what searches you have run looking to see if it has already been discussed; and "pick a thread, any thread" that is close to on-topic, rather than starting a new thread if at all possible. Generally around here a new thread is started seemingly about half the time by someone who primarily wants to "bash" or "flame" rather than help, and the first post in any thread is viewed with suspicion. Sad, but true. Keep on crunchin! Apology accepted. ID: 155720 ·

Paul D. Buck Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Jul 00 Posts: 3898 Credit: 1,158,042 RAC: 0	Message 155728 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 17:00:23 UTC - in response to Message 155340. Hmm...I have noticed that people seem to be getting ever angrier and almost violent as this backlog continues. I ain't no peace lover. The problem is one of expectations and beliefs. There are 3 "poles" or "camps" here, the "cheerleaders", the neutral, and, um, hmmm... well, they have never have been given a name. :) The neutrals are, probably for the most part, silent readers. And probably silent because they have nothing to say, and or don't want to say it because of the expected/anticipated reaction. The other two groups tend to want to convince the other camp/group that they are mistaken. Which, in most cases is probably futile. Each side's "facts" is the other sides nonesense. As hard as I try to stay neutral, I know that I am considered by many to be firmly in the "cheerleader" camp. Not that I am ashamed of that, I think BOINC does very well on its own merit. However, we also have those that would rather "stir the pot" than accomplish anything useful. ID: 155728 ·

Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0	Message 155733 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 17:13:47 UTC - in response to Message 155533. Hmm...I have noticed that people seem to be getting ever angrier and almost violent as this backlog continues. I ain't no peace lover. But, when has a million people yelling over one another ever led to a decent solution. It doesn't...ever. I don't really give a crap if this causes anyone to flame me, but all of us really need to calm down. The ONLY people who really should have a big problem with the backlog are those who are spending large amounts of money to keep the program running. As it has been said before. The backlog will clear. It's going to clear whenever it can. It's going to clear whether or not people yell and scream. There's no reason to be calling anyone morons, or ridiculing actual 'useful' suggestions. FLAME AWAY! I'd like to know how many people are sick of the attitudes here. And yes, I know I can leave if I don't like it. But, I'm not going to leave and none of you are going to make me. What's everyones opinion? Open the gates! I'm here to STAY! No flame here either. Peace bro! doc So, doc, give us your diagnosis, please! Which condition can cause an outburst like the above? Share your wisdom with us, thou great medicineman! ;-) BTW, doc, I've changed my oppinion of you, I don't think you're weird anymore, I think you have a great sense of humour! :-) Just think of all the psycho-analysis the Doc has missed out on in the Cafe! ID: 155733 ·

[B@H] Ray Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 1 Sep 00 Posts: 485 Credit: 45,275 RAC: 0	Message 155743 - Posted: 23 Aug 2005, 17:20:44 UTC - in response to Message 155733. BTW, doc, I've changed my oppinion of you, I don't think you're weird anymore, I think you have a great sense of humour! :-) Just think of all the psycho-analysis the Doc has missed out on in the Cafe! Go Easy on Doc. he is young, only joined 9-11-02 ID: 155743 ·

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