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Message 2115583 - Posted: 4 Mar 2023, 23:42:44 UTC

It was probably 'Echoes' the 2nd side of Meddle that got me into Pink Floyd and I probably bought my 'Blue Prism' copy of TDSOTM on the 2nd March when I went home for the w/end at Mary's Music, I know I went home that w/end as the 4th was Dad's birthday.
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Message 2115608 - Posted: 5 Mar 2023, 19:38:10 UTC

3-5-2023 at 11:38 AM - PST

This is for any DISH Network customer whom has made use of the DISH Network OTA Adapter....

Can ANY Digital OTA Antenna work with the DISH Network OTA Adapter for the Hopper3, (or Hopper2/Hopper1/Wally),
or do I need a specific Digital OTA Antenna?

I've just purchased the DISH Network OTA Adapter, and, now, am in the market for an EXCELLENT receiving Digital Antenna.
I live in an area SURROUNDED by hills, in the SF East Bay. (Tri-Valley area. (San Ramon, Danville, Alamo....)) Due to the recent
hiccup between MeTV, (National Channel 247 on DISH), and DISH Network, we NO LONGER are receiving MeTV.

MeTV CAN be had locally, OTA with a decent to excellent Digital OTA Antenna.... However; I want to make sure that my Digital
OTA Antenna choice WILL ACTUALLY work with the DISH Network OTA Adapter for the Hopper3 that we have.

Any and all help is GREATLY appreciated. :-)


NOTE: Local MeTV in my area is via KTLN Channel 68.2 HD. I'm currently unsure if my 'HILLY' area will be able to pick up KTLN
even with an EXCELLENT Digital OTA Antenna, BUT I'm willing to try.


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Message 2115612 - Posted: 5 Mar 2023, 22:10:35 UTC

3-5-2023 at 2:10 PM - PST


I think I've found an 'EXCELLENT' OTA Digital Antenna!

Amazon - OTA Digital Antenna.

I hope this Link works.... :-)


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Message 2115614 - Posted: 5 Mar 2023, 22:14:29 UTC - in response to Message 2115608.  

... NOTE: Local MeTV in my area is via KTLN Channel 68.2 HD. I'm currently unsure if my 'HILLY' area will be able to pick up KTLN
even with an EXCELLENT Digital OTA Antenna, BUT I'm willing to try.


Things that you have consider & will affect your reception >>>
Issue #1: HILLY AREA. Maybe no line-of-sight to transmitter.

Issue #2: How far you are from the transmitter site?

Use the FREE TOOLS at https://www.antennaweb.org to find what stations you can receive and what type of antenna you will need to receive them.
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I have used that site severe time when moving or helping friends "cut the cord". The recommendation from there are spot on!
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Message 2115618 - Posted: 5 Mar 2023, 22:21:20 UTC - in response to Message 2115612.  

480+ Miles Range TV Antenna

Lol FAKE INFO. No antenna can have 480 mile reception range, especially ones that size.

A long enough piece of wire will work as an antenna. There's NO DIFFERENCE between analog & digital other than the encoding/ decoding.
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Message 2115622 - Posted: 5 Mar 2023, 23:40:48 UTC - in response to Message 2115618.  

480+ Miles Range TV Antenna

Lol FAKE INFO. No antenna can have 480 mile reception range, especially ones that size.

A long enough piece of wire will work as an antenna. There's NO DIFFERENCE between analog & digital other than the encoding/ decoding.

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Thanks for that! :-) Believe it or not, I even found one that's claiming 500+ Mi Range. :-O I just got through looking at the Site you mentioned and the Antennas.
Amazon DOESN'T seem to carry the one's I want from your suggestions, and the one that they DID have was listed at $80+, TOO much for my blood at this time.

I'll stick with the one I found, for now, and try it out. Being an Amazon purchase, IF it DOESN'T pull in KTLN 68.2, then I'll return the Antenna AND the DISH OTA Adapter.

The DISH OTA Adapter is a small box with COAX on one end and USB, (2.0 probably), on the other. So, you plug the USB end into the Hopper3's rear USB 2.0 Port, and
the Digital Antenna of choice via COAX into the COAX Port of the DISH OTA Adapter. THEN, while the Antenna will be pulling in 'ALL IT CAN', via the OTA Adapter,
you 'Add' the channels from the 'Antenna List' in the Hopper3, one at a time. So, the Hopper3 ONLY 'Adds' the channels you choose. Once chosen and programmed
into the Hopper3, ALL STBs, (4 Wireless Joeys in my case), will show those OTA Channels that were programmed into the Hopper3.

The Antenna I've selected has USB Power, (will go to a 'Wart' and plug in to my APC SurgeArrest8 strip), and the COAX that will connect to the DISH OTA Adapter.

IF I CAN get KTLN 68.2, I'll also program in CH 3 and 4 for additional Local Channels. 3 is my Local NBC that DISH DOES NOT provide, instead giving us a 'National'
NBC Channel at CH 11 on the Hopper3. CH 4 is KRON TV. I'd like to 'restore' these to our Lineup.

Once the OTA Channels are successfully programmed into the Hopper3, you CAN even Record those Channels to the Hopper3 DVR Internal Drive. THEN, IF you
want to make a permanent save, move the Recorded shows to an External Drive. (Which I have already connected up on the Hopper3's rear USB 3.0 Port, via
a Powered USB Hub.)

I've been planning the OTA route, as we are NOW 4-Months WITHOUT MeTV! I'm missing LOTS of Svengoolie episodes and movies. :'-(


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Message 2115626 - Posted: 6 Mar 2023, 1:56:19 UTC

I thought they had stopped broadcasting TV over the air years ago. Looks like I have 20 stations within 20 miles. As for OTA? to me, that means Optical Tube Assembly. How does a telescope help you received television signals? Is that Over The Air?
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Message 2115628 - Posted: 6 Mar 2023, 2:04:15 UTC

If you want long distance, and even that is probably far below 500 miles, then you need antenna like this.



And each link had two high power (10kW) transmitters in each direction being picked up by four receivers with a combined output.

https://www.subbrit.org.uk/features/ace-high-nato-communications-system/ and the DEW Line had similar communications.
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Message 2115630 - Posted: 6 Mar 2023, 2:35:23 UTC - in response to Message 2115626.  

OTA here does mean Over The Air reception of Television signal.

A lot has changed with DTV // HDTV - High Definition TV since the US mandated switchover on June 22, 2009.
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Message 2115634 - Posted: 6 Mar 2023, 4:05:33 UTC

I agree that the wording digital is complete marketing bunk. A antenna is anything that will reliably pick up a signal. Now I take some recommendations from this YouTube channel. Antenna Man. Now another problem you may have is the channel you want is not broadcast on that channel. I wanted METV but couldn’t find it on the channel 5 subchannel 2. Turns out it is broadcast on channel 7 with the station identification of 5.2. The Antenna Man explains this on one of his videos. I do suggest keeping the hopper adapter for now and change antennas if needed.

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Message 2115645 - Posted: 6 Mar 2023, 11:56:02 UTC
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3-6-2023 at 3:56 AM - PST

OK, I did a search on KTLN 68.2.... I find it is being broadcast from Palo Alto, BUT I also find that there MAY be
a repeater in Novato, just North of me, with a 1000 KW transmitter/tower.... The signal being broadcast is listed
as UHF, which is what the antenna that I've bought picks up best. Apparently, (for future use), MOST Digital Antennas
are NOT coming with BOTH UHF AND VHF receiver capabilities.

Through Admiral's suggestion of Antenna Man, I find that in his Amazon Store, he has an RCA Amplified UHF/VHF
Indoor Antenna, a little cheaper than what I've already purchased.... IF the one I got DOES NOT get me MeTV,
I will return it for the RCA UHF/VHF Model.

Also, apparently, KTLN 'SHARES' Digital 22 with KAXT, so IF KTLN 68.2 is NOT available to me in my area, MOST
LIKELY the KAXT Digital 22 will be, and I will still get the UHF MeTV Channel off KAXT's broadcasting....

I got all this here: Is KTLN 68.2 UHF or VHF in the SF East Bay Area?

So, I may be OK, after all.


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AND, Palo Alto is QUITE far South of me, think Stanford University....
My surrounding hills MAY be a real obstacle in getting the true 68.2 from Palo Alto
directly. So, the KAXT Digital 22, (MOST LIKELY from the Novato transmitter), WILL
be able to come through.


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Message 2115708 - Posted: 7 Mar 2023, 15:38:40 UTC

3-7-2023 at 7:38 AM - PST

Thanks to DrWhoFan, and the Admiral for the Links. I've learned a lot from both of you.
I agree that the antenna I've chosen WILL NOT pick up "480 Miles" in area signal; but,
it 'SHOULD' pick up AT LEAST 27.6 Miles, which is where the Novato KAXT/KTLN
transmitter is, on Mt. Allison.

Again, if the antenna I've chosen DOES NOT work, I'll be exchanging it for the RCA
Indoor Antenna from Antenna Man, the Link that Admiral provided.

NOTE: The Mt. Allison transmission tower broadcasts into SF, as well as into the East
Bay area.


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Message 2115778 - Posted: 8 Mar 2023, 16:30:59 UTC

Just another reason to BAN TIKTOK:
Another “Blarney Blowout,” the annual unsanctioned St. Patrick’s-inspired party, has come and gone at UMass Amherst

Each year, the celebration that kicks off spring break is filled with rowdy drinking, but this year nearly 30 students were taken by ambulance to the hospital, in part due to the consumption of “borgs.”

Made popular by TikTok, “borgs,” short for blackout rage gallons, are the latest binge drinking trend. Often labeled by marker with names like “Somewhere Over the Rainborg” or “My Parents Diborg Papers,” the gallon jugs contain a mixture of water, alcohol and flavored energy drinks.
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Message 2115799 - Posted: 8 Mar 2023, 19:22:33 UTC

The label clearly states not to drink alcohol and energy drinks together in excess.

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Message 2115892 - Posted: 10 Mar 2023, 6:35:21 UTC

Extra big booboo.


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Message 2115896 - Posted: 10 Mar 2023, 8:25:48 UTC

Is that a Airbus A380? Oooer!!

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Message 2115952 - Posted: 11 Mar 2023, 0:43:07 UTC

While following random links i came across this someplace.

Companies and institutions that need to be bailed out by the government when they fail, should be owned by the government.
You can’t privatize the profit and socialize the losses.

It's pretty much along the lines of how i feel about executive bonuses.
If they're not going to take responsibility for when things go badly (there's no way anyone could have foreseen this...), then they shouldn't take credit when things go well (We deserve this multi-million dollar bonus because it was our foresight that made our present financial position possible).



Am i feeling somewhat butter and twisted? Hell yeah.
After 2 weeks on holiday leave, this was my first week back at work. No matter how much i was dreading going back, it was way, way, way worse than i had been dreading.
No matter how bad things might be, they can always get worse.
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Message 2116020 - Posted: 12 Mar 2023, 16:49:51 UTC

3-12-2023 at 9:49 AM - PDT

[Digital Antenna Update:]

OK - Here we go! ;-)

I received the DISH OTA Adapter EARLY!!! :-O :-D It was scheduled to arrive by the 17th, but came on Friday, the 10th. :-)

The DISH OTA Adapter easily plugged into the USB 2.0 Port on the back of the Hopper3. I then added a USB to Wall Power
Adapter to the USB Connector on the Digital OTA Antenna, and plugged that into the APC SurgeArrest Pro-8 strip. Then
connected the RG-6 COAX Cable from the Digital OTA Antenna to the DISH OTA Adapter at the COAX Port on the DISH
OTA Adapter.

I immediately received a Popup Prompt from the Hopper3, recognizing the DISH OTA Adapter and the new Digital Antenna.
I told the Hopper3 to Scan for signals.... OK - I didn't get what I wanted; STILL NO MeTV.... :'-( BUT, I did pick up 18 Channels
off the OTA Antenna! Some were duplicate channels in Spanish which DISH already provided us in our Local Channel Lineup,
and some were duplicates of other local channels. I eliminated all duplicates, and found 6-8 Channels that we were NOT
originally picking up. One of which is 'Decades'. Through the 'Decades' Channel, I now can watch old reruns of the Odd
Couple with Jack Klugman and Tony Randall. :-)

I had a feeling that DrWhoFan would be right, (along with my suspicions), that our 'HILLY' area surrounding us would be
a real detriment to my endeavors. AND, as unfortunate as this is, DrWhoFan was right! So, NO MeTV via OTA for me.
This same 'HILLY' issue is also preventing me from gaining more than the 18 Channels that the limited Indoor Antenna
is picking up currently. With all this knowledge, I think it unwise to return the existing Digital OTA Antenna for the
RCA Indoor Digital Antenna, as it MOST LIKELY WON'T make a difference. ONLY a TALL Outdoor Antenna will make
a real difference, BUT dad WILL NOT want to put up an Outdoor Antenna on the house, nor in the back yard. Further,
we live in a STRICT HOA area that restricts such Outdoor Antennae in our neighborhood of 200+ Homes in the HOA.
So, as proof of concept DOES work with this existing Indoor Digital OTA Antenna, I can't justify returning the thing, as
it DOES work, as specified by the seller, AND the seller is NOT responsible for me being in a HILLY area. Therefore, I'm
keeping the DISH OTA Adapter, and the Digital Indoor OTA Antenna, and keeping both connected to the Hopper3.

HOWEVER; since DISH Network DOES provide us, (in our Local Channel Package), KTLN 68.00 - Heroes & Icons,
(H&I), I plan to contact DISH directly to see IF they can just 'Flip A Switch' and provide us with the KTLN Sub-channels
of KTLN 68.2 for MeTV and/or 68.4 for MeTV+. (Both in HD.) I will keep you all updated as to my potential progress....

OH!!! AND, the picture quality of the Digital OTA Antenna with the 6-8 Channels that I've added to our Lineup ARE
in HD 1080 format, and are just as clear as the DISH Network signals picked up on our DISH Satellite Antenna. :-)


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Message 2116026 - Posted: 12 Mar 2023, 19:18:19 UTC - in response to Message 2116020.  

Time Lord thanks for the update on your adventures in trying to get ME-TV via OTA reception.

Yea, HOA's are a real P.I.T.A.

At least you can get some station via the indoor antenna.

I forgot to provide you a link to another great Digital TV reception / transmitter locator website Rabbit Ears Info.

It provides a tool that lets you put in your street address or GPS coordinates along with a few other tweakable parameters and it will plot a circular radar type graph with your location in the middle and color coded lines based on estimated signal strength radiating toward the transmitter sites https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php .
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Message 2116033 - Posted: 12 Mar 2023, 21:11:32 UTC - in response to Message 2116026.  
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Time Lord thanks for the update on your adventures in trying to get ME-TV via OTA reception.

Yea, HOA's are a real P.I.T.A.

At least you can get some station via the indoor antenna.

I forgot to provide you a link to another great Digital TV reception / transmitter locator website Rabbit Ears Info.

It provides a tool that lets you put in your street address or GPS coordinates along with a few other tweakable parameters and it will plot a circular radar type graph with your location in the middle and color coded lines based on estimated signal strength radiating toward the transmitter sites https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php .

2:11 PM - PDT

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My area of Danville, in Shadow Hills HOA Development, shows I 'SHOULD' get KTLN - MeTV!!!

SO, while I won't return the existing Digital OTA Antenna, I WILL save up for the RCA OTA Antenna after all!!!!! It just MIGHT make the difference. ;-)

[EDIT:] Or, is 'rabbitears.info' assuming I'm going to use an external, roof mounted OTA Antenna?????


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