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Message 2050064 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 16:34:38 UTC

Starting this thread to discuss the relationship between the Government of Mainland China and how it's interaction with two of it's closest neighbors affects the World.

I was moved to this action by today's news from the Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam that she agreed with the Beijing Leadership that a new 'Security Law' will be implemented to "guard against, stop and punish any separatism, subversion of the national regime, terrorist group activities and such behaviours that seriously harm national security”.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/22/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/hong-kong-security-law-asap-lam/#.Xsf8bDl7m00

IMHO this is the beginning of the next 'Tienanmen Square' and will destroy the city-state's role as 'Financial Capitol of Asia'. That would seem to be indicated by the crash seen today in the Hang Seng Index
https://www.hkex.com.hk/?sc_lang=en
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Beijing, whether responsible for the World Pandemic or not, has shown by it's actions in the last 6 months a total disregard for the well being and freedom of the rest of the world by concealing information and outright aggression. This is just the latest offense perpetrated by the regime following threats against Australia, Taiwan and, of course, the US.

The response of the people of Hong Kong will be interesting to observe in the coming weeks and months.

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Message 2050072 - Posted: 22 May 2020, 19:02:44 UTC

Pot, meet Kettle.
Kettle, say hello to Pot.
I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
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Message 2050224 - Posted: 24 May 2020, 14:29:28 UTC

And so it begins.........
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/24/world/asia/hong-kong-protest-coronavirus-china.html
Hong Kong Protesters, Resisting China’s Push, Clash with Police

Tear gas was fired as protesters ignored rules on social distancing to demonstrate against Beijing’s plan to impose security legislation that they see as a threat to freedoms.


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Message 2050249 - Posted: 24 May 2020, 16:48:14 UTC

Stop me if you have heard this before ...

Hong Kong said to Xi, let my people go.
And God set forth SARS
Xi's heart hardened
Hong Kong said to Xi, let my people go.
And God set forth Covid-19
Xi's heart hardened
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Message 2050594 - Posted: 29 May 2020, 23:26:21 UTC

I have to wonder why this subject suddenly turns up now, after all this time, and not almost 2 years ago when these things started to happen.
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Message 2050597 - Posted: 29 May 2020, 23:29:47 UTC - in response to Message 2050594.  

I have to wonder why this subject suddenly turns up now, after all this time, and not almost 2 years ago when these things started to happen.

Methinks Beijing thinks the rest of the world is so preoccupied with the pandemic that it does not have the band width to deal with it.
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Message 2050599 - Posted: 29 May 2020, 23:35:10 UTC

Hong Kong security law: Carrie Lam dismisses concerns over rights

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52803500
....Hong Kong's freedoms, vibrancy and core values "will continue to be there", she said, but added: "Rights and freedoms are not absolute."


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Message 2050603 - Posted: 30 May 2020, 1:05:14 UTC - in response to Message 2050594.  
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I have to wonder why this subject suddenly turns up now, after all this time, and not almost 2 years ago when these things started to happen.

It did. Thread is there, locked.
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Message 2050820 - Posted: 2 Jun 2020, 0:48:48 UTC - in response to Message 2050817.  

Who can defend Beiging?
First you can spell it correctly. Beijing Then you can defend it!
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Message 2050823 - Posted: 2 Jun 2020, 0:57:03 UTC - in response to Message 2050821.  

Who can defend Beijing?

Answer?
You will defend them. It is so ordered.
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Message 2050826 - Posted: 2 Jun 2020, 6:17:23 UTC - in response to Message 2050824.  

Who can defend Beijing?

Answer?
You will defend them. It is so ordered.

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You want someone to defend them. Who better to do it than you?
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Message 2050841 - Posted: 2 Jun 2020, 11:48:27 UTC

But evil has been going on in the U.S. for hundreds of years also and looks at the results today.

What is the difference?
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Message 2050861 - Posted: 2 Jun 2020, 14:27:18 UTC
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I'm going to ask a question.
Have any of the contributors to this thread actually been to China, including Hong Kong in the last ten years, or is your impression of China gained from the media in your respective countries?
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Message 2050869 - Posted: 2 Jun 2020, 16:55:46 UTC - in response to Message 2050861.  
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I'm going to ask a question.
Have any of the contributors to this thread actually been to China, including Hong Kong in the last ten years, or is your impression of China gained from the media in your respective countries?


I asked this previously. The answer is a resounding "No". personally I've been as recently as this past October, and have made 4 trips there in the last 3 years.

no country is without sin, but the thread will continue on with whataboutisms from all sides.

what about China's treatment of Uyghurs?
what about US's treatment of black people?
what about Australia's treatment of aborigines?
what about ...
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Message 2051213 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 15:49:35 UTC

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7h ago / 2:34 AM MDT
China warns against travel to Australia, citing discrimination

China advised the public to avoid traveling to Australia on Friday, citing racial discrimination and violence in connection with the coronavirus pandemic.

"There has been an alarming increase recently in acts of racial discrimination and violence against Chinese and Asians in Australia, due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic," the Ministry of Culture and Tourism said in a statement. It did not give any specific examples of such discrimination or violence.


Apparently the Communist Chinese Government has stolen another thing from the US. This time from the Radical Left.

"When you have no counter argument in a debate, accuse your opponent of racism."

China has also stopped purchases of Beef and Barley from Australia in retaliation for widespread calls for an investigation into the origins and concealment of information relating to the Covid-19 pandemic.

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Message 2051226 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 17:54:39 UTC - in response to Message 2051213.  

You will obey your master or you will be punished.
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Message 2051244 - Posted: 6 Jun 2020, 21:50:36 UTC

Funny how our problem with China started when that far right racist U.S. warmongering nutter Pompeo was here visiting our right wing P.M. and then suddenly our P.M. started firing his month off at China while sounding just like that U.S. lunatic (he certainly didn't sound like himself) don't you think?

The backlash that our P.M. got here at home from all directions over it and with the repercussions from it I now bet that he wishes that he hadn't listened to that yankee nutter B.S. at all (he certainly doesn't like talking about that subject now).
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Message 2051495 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020, 13:34:43 UTC

Surprise,surprise.
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BBC News - Coronavirus: Satellite traffic images may suggest virus hit Wuhan earlier
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52975934
Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020
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Message 2051545 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 8:47:39 UTC

US offers to build UK's 5G and nuclear stations

America has offered to build Britain's 5G and nuclear power stations so that the "coercive and bullying" relationship with China can end, Mike Pompeo has said.

In a statement released yesterday the US Secretary of State said America stood with its “allies and partners against the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) coercive bullying tactics”, as he sighted reports that Beijing had threatened to punish HSBC and “break commitments to build nuclear power plants in the United Kingdom unless London allows Huawei to build its 5G network”.
Huawei: America accuses China of attempting to bully the UK

The reassessment follows new sanctions in the US which would prohibit the Chinese telecommunications company from using any computer chips designed by American firms, and not just those manufactured in the US.
Buy our kit from coercive and bullying China, or buy our kit from coercive and bullying USA? Decisions, decisions.

Wait - didn't we once build our own kit?
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Message 2051558 - Posted: 11 Jun 2020, 12:27:17 UTC

Wait - didn't we once build our own kit?


!!!...........a realization SLOWLY dawning the world over...........

When you purchase another Country's/Culture's/Government System's technology, you are tied to that source for maintenance, repair, upgrades and expansion. A lesson that has been unintentionally (?) taught by the Covid crisis. This is also especially true with "defense" systems. The members of NATO are pretty much stuck with US aircraft and weapons manufacturers and the client states of Russia and China are dependent on staying in the good graces of those governments.

"If you sell it or use it here, you must build it here", should be the new world motto.

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