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Message 2024156 - Posted: 21 Dec 2019, 18:09:29 UTC - in response to Message 2024150.  

Santa promising gifts in exchange for good behavior would appear to be a Quid Pro Quo.......


Are you saying my observations are not correct, or is it that you believe such an obnoxious person can have so much power and it is not going have any ill effects.
If it has to be explained you have missed the total point.......

Go on, explain it to me.

But first. Knowing what we do about Trump. Would you go and work for him, knowing full well at some stage you will disagree with one of his decisions. When that happens what are you going to do, bend over and take it. And the next time?
Would you go into business with him?
Would you want him anywhere near you wife or any other female members of your family?
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Message 2024242 - Posted: 21 Dec 2019, 23:46:57 UTC

US President Donald Trump on Friday night approved a decision to impose sanctions on the gas pipeline, Nord Stream 2, which is currently being built between Russia and Germany.
A press spokesman for the German government, Ulrike Demmer, went out on Saturday, saying that the United States is interfering in things that have nothing to do with them.
"This is hitting German and European companies and it is an interference with internal affairs," Ulrike Demmer, press spokesperson for the German government, said in a press release.
The European Commission is also critical of the US sanctions and said on Saturday that "the EU basically rejects all sanctions against EU companies conducting legitimate business", reports German Die Welt.
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Message 2024585 - Posted: 23 Dec 2019, 5:49:36 UTC - in response to Message 2023863.  

The real rest of the story ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/22/christianity-today-receives-boost-in-subscriptions-after-call-for-trump-removal.html wrote:
The Christian magazine that published a blistering editorial calling for President Donald Trump’s removal from office over his “blackened moral record” has received a boost in subscribers despite a public backlash among leading evangelicals, according to the publication’s editor in chief.

“We have lost subscribers but we’ve had 3 times as many people start to subscribe.“

So the real right wing vote is 3 to 1 to impeach. Those senate races are going to be very interesting.
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Message 2024588 - Posted: 23 Dec 2019, 6:29:47 UTC

90 minutes after asking for a favor
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50886437
The White House sought to freeze aid to Ukraine just 91 minutes after President Trump spoke to President Volodymyr Zelensky by phone in July, a newly-released government email has revealed.


After finding out there was a complaint about the favor
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/27/trump-knew-about-whistleblower-complaint-before-ukraine-aid-released.html
President Donald Trump knew about a bombshell whistleblower complaint that exposed his pressure campaign against Ukraine when he decided to release a withheld military aid package to Kyiv


Oh, its all fake. It is perfect. Waste of time to investigate.

How many decades do you serve for bribery and extortion?

Giant Obsessive Paranoia has gripped Washington D.C.
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Message 2024589 - Posted: 23 Dec 2019, 6:32:04 UTC

Yes, Christianity as a whole is finally realising that if v2.0 carries on the way that he is then Christianity itself will become what other religions have been dealing with for ages, persecution on a grand scale especially with all these "institutionalised child sex abuse" cases spreading around the world ATM.
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Message 2024995 - Posted: 25 Dec 2019, 22:45:11 UTC

Looks like some get it and aren't going to follow the pied piper over the cliff.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50906346
On Monday, journalist Napp Nazworth announced he was "forced to make the difficult decision to leave The Christian Post".

Mr Nazworth said the publication "decided to publish an editorial that positions them on Team Trump".

He continued: "I can't be an editor for a publication with that editorial voice."

Both Mr Nazworth's decision and Christianity Today's editorial suggest cracks in Mr Trump's evangelical stronghold.
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Message 2025041 - Posted: 26 Dec 2019, 6:06:46 UTC

From THE HILL https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/474710-supreme-court-ruling-pulls-rug-out-from-under-article-of-impeachment?fbclid=IwAR1hQspeRgDcDOZ46GQGfjQRZUjRufny1pl4ZJYjk7uHlyjVXIBPjtAEZm8
Supreme Court ruling pulls rug out from under article of impeachment

By Alan Dershowitz, opinion contributor — 12/16/19 12:00 PM EST
The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill

"The decision by the Supreme Court to review the lower court rulings involving congressional and prosecution subpoenas directed toward President Trump undercuts the second article of impeachment that passed the House Judiciary Committee along party lines last week.

That second article of impeachment charges President Trump with obstruction of Congress for refusing to comply with the congressional subpoenas in the absence of a final court order. In so charging him, the House Judiciary Committee has arrogated to itself the power to decide the validity of subpoenas, and the power to determine whether claims of executive privilege must be recognized, both authorities that properly belong with the judicial branch of our government, not the legislative branch.

President Trump has asserted that the executive branch, of which he is the head, need not comply with congressional subpoenas requiring the production of privileged executive material, unless there is a final court order compelling such production........

........It undercuts the contention by House Democrats that President Trump committed an impeachable offense by insisting on a court order before sending possibly privileged material to Congress. Even before the justices granted review of these cases, the two articles of impeachment had no basis in the Constitution. They were a reflection of the comparative voting power of the two parties, precisely what one of the founders, Alexander Hamilton, warned would be the “greatest danger” of an impeachment."


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Message 2025044 - Posted: 26 Dec 2019, 6:35:19 UTC - in response to Message 2025041.  

Eye rather than playing jail house lawyer with you I will say OH.
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Message 2025046 - Posted: 26 Dec 2019, 7:03:22 UTC

Mr. Dershowitz is not particularly neutral. Considering that to this second the rulings of SCOTUS re Nixon in Watergate are the case law, he isn't even pretending to be writing legal opinion. He is starting with a conclusion and then picking half truths that support that ignoring all other evidence. It is what consumers of conspiracy love and will pay hard cash to hear.
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Message 2025090 - Posted: 26 Dec 2019, 17:22:01 UTC

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Message 2025091 - Posted: 26 Dec 2019, 17:53:44 UTC - in response to Message 2025090.  

Dull, you are aligned with the ACLU. Shocking?
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Message 2025119 - Posted: 26 Dec 2019, 22:46:40 UTC
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Massive $16.4 billion new taxes under Trump
The elimination of the stretch IRA alone has the potential to generate about $15.7 billion in tax revenue over the next decade, according to the Congressional Research Service. The SECURE Act as a whole is expected to generate $16.4 billion over the next 10 years.
Where are the Republicans? Where is Grover Norquist?
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Message 2025190 - Posted: 27 Dec 2019, 14:31:37 UTC

The wheels are starting to come off the Deep State train of lies..........
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/12/26/digenova-calls-mike-rogers-cooperation-durham-team-biggest-single-development-heres/?fbclid=IwAR3zHatQPps9NX4lIxfe2tHU49yIb-cX03IOZFz_aBqBPjDUrBVaU7c07sU

Last week, it was reported that Admiral Mike Rogers, who served as Director of the National Security Agency under President Obama, has been cooperating with U.S. Attorney John Durham’s criminal inquiry into the origins of the Trump/Russia collusion investigation.
.....He was one of the few Obama administration officials who actually had integrity, a man who noticed that something was amiss and acted. It was this man who traveled to Trump Tower on November 17, 2016, to brief then-President-elect Donald Trump that communications from the building were being tapped. He did not notify his superior, then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, beforehand.
....Rogers discovered that American citizens were being spied upon and drew attention to the abuse of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by the Obama administration. According to former U.S. Attorney Joe diGenova, Section 702 allows the government to essentially weaponize the NSA’s ability to collect data and surviel private U.S. citizens.
In a Christmas Eve interview with WMAL radio station............ diGenova explains how the FBI’s efforts to cover up the 702 spying brought us “Crossfire Hurricane.” Rogers discovered it and reported it to the FISA Court and said “she” stopped it (I assume “she” refers to FISC Judge Rosemary Collyer). DiGenova says it led to the “crescendo of activity by Comey, Clapper, and Brennan. It led to the so-called Crossfire Hurricane investigation to cover-up the previous spying that had been going on.”
Rogers has an electronic trail of all the spying that went on over five years. He has personal notes – like Jim Comey – only this time they are not self-serving notes, they are the truth…I have described Mike Rogers as the Rosetta Stone of this investigation…I can be fairly confident now in saying there will be a substantial criminal conspiracy indictment against a lot of people with the electronic spying. That electronic spying that went on from 2012 through 2016 into NSA databases was used for unmasking people and then leaking that information to the press.
DiGenova is asked if this includes the unmaskings that involved Susan Rice and Loretta Lynch and he says yes.

Next, he directs our attention to the famous press conference given by Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) in March 2017, while serving as the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee. Nunes, whose efforts to expose the corruption have been monumental, was widely criticized after this presser. DiGenova explains what Nunes had just seen at the NSC prior to meeting with reporters. What he saw….....were spreadsheets which had been produced by the White House of the intercepts, the illegal NSA intercepts, and on it were the names of people, telephone numbers, to and from information, which led to the un-maskings. That’s what this is all about. It is truly remarkable that we have finally gotten here.

DiGenova calls it a stunning scandal of immense proportions that is being ignored by the Washington Post and the New York Times. He wants everyone to be aware of the April 2018 ruling by Judge Collyer about the spying by FBI contractors......

....Collyer wrote an opinion where she exposed, on the public record, the names of all the people which had been blotted out…all the people in the DOJ and the FBI who were involved in the illegal database searches, the three FBI contractors for example, are named in there, but their names are blotted out. She told everybody about this and nobody did anything about it and nobody did anything about it on Capitol Hill except for one person, Devin Nunes.
.....When Mike Rogers found out about the electronic spying that had been going on for years, and then about the spying that had been going on inside the Trump campaign, he not only went to the FISA Court, he went to Trump, you will recall on November 17, 2016 and warned him about what was going on.
At that very point, Ash Carter, the Secretary of Defense, and James Clapper, the DNI, tried to get Admiral Rogers fired. It didn’t happen because Obama knew that everything would come out immediately.

DiGenova is asked if he believes Judge Collyer is doing “enough” in reaction to the IG report.
".....This is too little, too late. This is grandstanding and save your ass kind of stuff by a federal judge. There should have been contempt hearings before the FISA Court already. She didn’t have to wait. She knew everything. She knew back in 2018 that there was illegal spying. She knew she’d been lied to in the Carter Page affidavit. She knew that the assistant attorney general for the National Security Division, John Carlin, had filed false annual certifications of compliance with minimization standards on 702 databases about Americans."

Judge Collyer failed to act when she should have. Once the FBI’s abuses were revealed to the world, she was forced to respond. DiGenova is entirely correct to call this “save your ass kind of stuff by a federal judge.”

For so long, we’ve waited for an Obama administration insider who was willing to speak the truth. The topic of the unprecedented unmaskings attributed to Samantha Powers and Susan Rice has come up often enough, but has always been dismissed. Up until now, there’s has been very little known about it. With his firsthand and technical knowledge, it is clear that Mike Rogers’ cooperation with the Durham Team will do much to clarify the “why” of it all and will help to fill in many of the blanks.

DiGenova said that Rogers has already met with members of the Durham team “multiple” times. It’s possible that information he’s provided led to Durham’s request for John Brennan’s communications records from the CIA. Either way, this is a monumental development.


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Message 2025191 - Posted: 27 Dec 2019, 14:36:43 UTC - in response to Message 2025190.  

Wow, someone notified an investigation target they were under investigation without authorization. Man that is deep state! Normally gets decades in the gray bar. Glad to see there will be results!
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Message 2025202 - Posted: 27 Dec 2019, 16:04:02 UTC - in response to Message 2025195.  

One can feel the terror
Do republicans er religious right feel good by terrorizing others?
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Message 2025282 - Posted: 28 Dec 2019, 2:54:27 UTC

If there is a deep state then it was formed due to 9/11, when extra powers were granted to all sorts of organisations by a Republican President.
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Message 2025286 - Posted: 28 Dec 2019, 3:29:02 UTC

Those people that I personally know who go on about this so called "Deep State" thing are a paranoid bunch that have overly active imaginations and fears. ;-)
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