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Message 2051279 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 5:44:25 UTC - in response to Message 2051277.  

A shambles, & it could get worse

Must be ecstatic about your PM. He is the right one to lead you out of Brexit so he is the right one to lead for everything!

I think he got the job because people recognised him, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObY4_HfhtyY
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Message 2051289 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 10:56:51 UTC - in response to Message 2051252.  

I may have got it wrong mum.
Sweden's top scientist admits response to virus was too lax.
Sweden's state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, who instituted the policy of keeping the country open during the Covid-19, expressed some regret about the plan as the death toll continues to rise.
He sort of regret.
On Wednesday, state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell announced to Ekot: "Should we encounter the same disease, with exactly what we know about it today, I think we would land in doing midway between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did." Later in the day he modified the message somewhat: he did not aim to completely rethink the Swedish strategy.
BTW. Sweden is still lockdowned but not as much as other countries. Strange that many countries now open up already while Sweden don't.
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Message 2051290 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 11:20:08 UTC - in response to Message 2051277.  

A shambles, & it could get worse

Must be ecstatic about your PM. He is the right one to lead you out of Brexit so he is the right one to lead for everything!
Well, at least he did not promote the use of a non approved drug or drink bleach. :-)
Meanwhile...
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Message 2051304 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 13:10:04 UTC

The one good thing I think everyone will agree that has come of this scourge unleashed on mankind is the spur given Virology research.

The US and the World have poured effort into finding the mechanisms, therapies and cures for virus based illness. This should have happened to a much larger degree 35 years ago when AIDS and HIV became known. There was just enough done to make the disease survivable but by no means cured. Had there been a more widespread vector for the disease that would not have been the case, there would have been the same effort that we now see applied to Covid-19.

According to the best research there are thousands of strains of Corona type viruses that can make the mutational jump to humans from various 'lower' animals. Perhaps the silver lining in this black cloud will be a therapy or vaccine that will block the unique 'spike' feature that makes these RNA bits so easily able to infect cell tissue.

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Message 2051310 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 14:20:33 UTC - in response to Message 2051304.  

The US and the World have poured effort into finding the mechanisms, therapies and cures for virus based illness. This should have happened to a much larger degree 35 years ago when AIDS and HIV became known. There was just enough done to make the disease survivable but by no means cured. Had there been a more widespread vector for the disease that would not have been the case, there would have been the same effort that we now see applied to Covid-19.
Of course. A lot has been done. But there is a problem. Who want to pay for extra costs to be prepared for diseases that eventually can become a pandemic? For years most countries have downsized healthcare and preparedness. No stocks of drugs, vaccines and PPE but everything is now only produced "just in time".
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Message 2051313 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 14:43:34 UTC - in response to Message 2051311.  

It apparently doesn't matter if it a For Profit Medical Research County or a Non Profit Government Controlled Medical Research County.
Both sides, very unfortunately, are the same and will only spend money for a "present" crisis.
Actually Finland have stocks and is prepared for future crises. How much I don't know but Sweden has no stocks any longer when the Cold War ended. Not needed we are told...
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Message 2051314 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 14:59:06 UTC

No stocks of drugs, vaccines and PPE but everything is now only produced "just in time".


.....and produced almost totally from one source...........curiously the same source as the disease we're now combating...........coincidence?

That's the OTHER vital lesson we should be learning, it's about all the eggs being in the same basket. Any government(National, State, County or Local) that REALLY values it's citizens lives and health should never again allow vital materials be in the sole control of a foreign, and possibly, hostile entity.

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Message 2051315 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 15:16:25 UTC - in response to Message 2051314.  

No stocks of drugs, vaccines and PPE but everything is now only produced "just in time".
That's the OTHER vital lesson we should be learning, it's about all the eggs being in the same basket.

.....and produced almost totally from one source...........curiously the same source as the disease we're now combating...........coincidence?
Coincidence? Nah. The lowest bidder get the deal. That's how it works in every economy.
However, putting all the eggs being in the same basket is not a good idea as you say.
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Message 2051339 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 21:06:31 UTC

While the world passes 7 million reported cases the U.S. has passed 2 million and Saudi Arabia becomes the 15th country to pass 100,000 cases and Pakistan will become the 16th tomorrow.
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Message 2051348 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 22:21:34 UTC

And now why are those countries so high up that ladder?

Slow responses to the pandemic, leaders who downplayed the seriousness of it and didn't act until it was too late and/or substandard public healthcare systems or all 3?

Remember also that none of those countries are 3rd world where 1 would expect numbers like those to come from so why are those countries so bad?

And then you have Brazil's far right leader Jair Bolsonaro who, like Trump, keeps on downplaying the pandemic as "a little flu" while blaming others for his country's problems instead of having the balls to admit his own failures with dealing with it (or not dealing with it actually).
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Message 2051349 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 22:22:36 UTC - in response to Message 2051342.  

Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Fatalities:

Deaths per one million of population:

Belgium: 840.0
United Kingdom: 609.8
Spain: 580.8
Italy: 561.0
Sweden: 457.5
France: 435.2
Netherlands: 349.0
Ireland: 345.9
United States: 343.6
Switzerland: 225.6
Canada: 210.5

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Should those numbers be calculated without equalisation for differences in definition of what is and what isn't a coronavirus death, or that the numbers are, in any way shape or form, accurate from some countries?

Do you believe the Russian (~4 per million) numbers?
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Message 2051351 - Posted: 7 Jun 2020, 22:31:08 UTC - in response to Message 2051342.  
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Why do you link to statistics of per million deaths were not all countries are counted?
San Marino is still in lead by far and Andorra is the third behind Belgium.
Sweden is 7th and the US is 11th tied to Ireland just behind Sint Maarten.
Oh. North Korea has not reported any Covid cases at all.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I just noticed that the Vatican City has reporter 14,981 cases per million. Scary.... No deaths though:)
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Message 2051388 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020, 8:51:30 UTC

Across the ditch the news is good.

New Zealand drops Covid-19 restrictions after nation declared 'virus-free'.

New Zealand’s government will lift all Covid-19 restrictions except stringent border controls almost immediately, prime minister Jacinda Ardern has said, as the nation’s health officials declared that there were no longer any known, active cases of the coronavirus remaining.

“We are ready,” said Ardern at a news conference in Wellington, adding that New Zealanders had “united in unprecedented ways to crush the virus.”

Ardern has drawn global headlines and praise from the World Health Organization for her government’s approach to the virus, with a strict and cautious approach that appears to have paid off. On 25 March she locked down the country for four weeks – requiring that most New Zealanders remained at home most of the time – before gradually easing restrictions.
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Message 2051446 - Posted: 8 Jun 2020, 23:41:08 UTC - in response to Message 2051443.  

Hopefully true:

(CNN) - The spread of Covid-19 by someone who is not showing symptoms appears to be rare, Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health Organization's technical lead for coronavirus response and head of the emerging diseases and zoonoses unit, said during a media briefing in Geneva on Monday.

"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Van Kerkhove said on Monday.

"We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They're following asymptomatic cases, they're following contacts and they're not finding secondary transmission onward. It is very rare -- and much of that is not published in the literature," she said.

“We’re constantly looking at this data, and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question,” she added. “It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html


....this from the same folks that said on January 14th: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China,” the WHO tweeted.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/flashback-who-china-coronavirus-contagious/
........can we really trust the vetting process of WHO?

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Message 2051460 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020, 2:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 2051446.  

I figure this is a double edged sword. WHO China haters who want to tear off their masks won't have a clue. Do they vilify WHO and keep the mask or do they believe them and chuck the mask? Interesting times.
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Message 2051471 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020, 5:55:14 UTC
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Looks like many countries don't think the pandemic is no more of a problem and therefore opening up their countries.
Well, the second wave is soon to come...
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/sa-ser-det-ut-nar-varlden-oppnar-upp

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Message 2051487 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020, 11:18:50 UTC

I love the chart moomin,.............

'POSSIBLE'......waves to come.............

Nobody knows anything,.............but EVERYBODY'S got a pretty chart..............

I'm sure those wishing for a world of Socialist/Communist absolute control of the peasants are rooting for more waves.

Best way to destroy a Free Capitalist society is to prohibit Free Capitalism...........and disease is a great excuse.

Now if we can only convince those pesky Yanks that you can catch Covid-19 from firearms.............

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Message 2051488 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020, 11:42:40 UTC - in response to Message 2051487.  

Yep, it is a well known fact in some circles that there is a red under every bed.
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Message 2051493 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020, 13:29:32 UTC

BBC News - Coronavirus: Satellite traffic images may suggest virus hit Wuhan earlier
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52975934
Apr 3, 1999 - May 3, 2020
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Message 2051501 - Posted: 9 Jun 2020, 14:29:24 UTC - in response to Message 2051487.  

I'm sure those wishing for a world of Socialist/Communist absolute control of the peasants are rooting for more waves.
Best way to destroy a Free Capitalist society is to prohibit Free Capitalism...........and disease is a great excuse.
What? Who are they that want to destroy economies that all people are depending on and use diseases as an excuse?
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