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Message 2042953 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 16:08:32 UTC - in response to Message 2042950.  
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Yes , this is modern [Putin] Russia:

So, 15 days in jail (for second participation in an unsanctioned demonstrations, if the person was previously warned) - it's absolutely not a death penalty.
P.S. Yes, it will be more harsh penalty if the person at the street demonstration fight against police... But sorry, what the US police does in that cases? ;-) Yes, it's sarcasm, so please don't explain me what the US police does.
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Message 2042956 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 16:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 2042950.  
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https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/1246408877563957249
Since 2000, the number of hospitals in Russia has halved. Yet the Kremlin still manages to fund pointless vanity PR projects abroad in Italy. Beyond insulting. There is a lot of anxiety within Russia regarding its preparedness for #coronavirus

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1246108002559672320
Trump claimed that Russia offered to send the supplies to America because it had a surplus. On the contrary, Russia itself is in dire need.
“They say, sew your own masks. There are no antiseptics… The doctors have no masks... We’re all sewing them.”

In "modern" Russia it's illegal to criticize health care preparedness.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/04/meet-the-activist-doctor-who-has-become-the-kremlins-loudest-coronavirus-critic-a69846
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Message 2043046 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 23:18:04 UTC - in response to Message 2042956.  

https://twitter.com/mbk_center/status/1246408877563957249
Since 2000, the number of hospitals in Russia has halved. Yet the Kremlin still manages to fund pointless vanity PR projects abroad in Italy. Beyond insulting. There is a lot of anxiety within Russia regarding its preparedness for #coronavirus

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1246108002559672320
Trump claimed that Russia offered to send the supplies to America because it had a surplus. On the contrary, Russia itself is in dire need.
“They say, sew your own masks. There are no antiseptics… The doctors have no masks... We’re all sewing them.”

In "modern" Russia it's illegal to criticize health care preparedness.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/04/meet-the-activist-doctor-who-has-become-the-kremlins-loudest-coronavirus-critic-a69846


"It ain't what you do, it's what the people think you do."......attributed to Mark Twain

"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Message 2043062 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 23:39:26 UTC - in response to Message 2043046.  
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"It ain't what you do, it's what the people think you do."......attributed to Mark Twain

So true, that applies to reality TV stars among others.
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Message 2043064 - Posted: 4 Apr 2020, 23:46:47 UTC - in response to Message 2043046.  
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"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." as Mark Twain said. Actually a quote that no one knows where it comes from. Not even Mark Twain did.
Then Stalin had his quote. "When one dies, it is a tragedy. When a million die, it is a statistic."
Now we have this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Actually only numbers that no one understands it seems.
Oh. Maybe knowing that we are in deep S**T.
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Message 2043072 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 0:16:44 UTC

The U.S. is still going ballistic passing 310,000 out of 1,200,400 cases world wide while it looks like Spain has the upper hand on 2nd spot over Italy now.
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Message 2043073 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 0:24:40 UTC - in response to Message 2043062.  

"It ain't what you do, it's what the people think you do."......attributed to Mark Twain

So true, that applies to reality TV stars among others.
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Message 2043079 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 0:48:17 UTC - in response to Message 2043072.  
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The U.S. is still going ballistic passing 310,000 out of 1,200,400 cases world wide while it looks like Spain has the upper hand on 2nd spot over Italy now.
But that's because the US are testing so many now. And the US is some weeks behind Europe.
Yesterday the deaths rate was 22/1M pop, today its 26/1M pop...
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Message 2043104 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 2:51:54 UTC

Wow, as I've said, who needs nukes.
16/8/60-20/7/85 residing there.
24/2/86-26/9/15 working there.
Not once did I ever see it like this.
I bet the air is clean & fresh.
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Message 2043120 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 4:39:24 UTC - in response to Message 2043079.  

The U.S. is still going ballistic passing 310,000 out of 1,200,400 cases world wide while it looks like Spain has the upper hand on 2nd spot over Italy now.
But that's because the US are testing so many now. And the US is some weeks behind Europe.
Yesterday the deaths rate was 22/1M pop, today its 26/1M pop...
Yes, I'm wondering what the number will be by the time that their testing gets up to speed, there's a lot of catch up still to be played out over there as yet.
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Message 2043123 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 5:35:53 UTC

Many on a Ventilator Die. This frees up a Ventilator.

Yet I never hear how these 'freed up' Ventilators are part of the Numbers of Ventilators Available.

Daily Ventilator Numbers Game is Making Me Sick.

Same with Full Hospitals not anywhere near full. And Supplies needed Not Actually Needed

Wat a bunch of.....

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Message 2043126 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 6:33:23 UTC

"Get in early and book your ventilator now for an amazing price. And if you're 1 of the 1st 15 callers we've double the offer."
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Message 2043140 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 9:25:07 UTC

China should be sued $6.5 trillion for damages
London: China should be sued under international law for trillions of dollars for its initial cover-up of the coronavirus pandemic which has caused more than 60,000 deaths and trillions of dollars in economic damage, a new report says.

The report said damages should be for at least the £3.2 ($6.5 trillion) being spent by G7 nations propping up their domestic economies as governments forced their citizens to stay at home so they could try and contain the disease's spread.
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According to the report, Coronavirus Compensation? by conservative London think tank The Henry Jackson Society, China could be sued under 10 possible legal avenues, including the International Health Regulations, which were beefed up after the SARS outbreak, which China also tried to cover up.

The report said had China provided accurate information at an early juncture, "the infection would not have left China."

China only reported the disease to the WHO on December 31 and said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.
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Message 2043151 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 10:47:51 UTC - in response to Message 2043140.  

Interesting that it takes an Australian newspaper to describe an organisation I'd never heard of as a "top UK think tank" - although it's possible that UK papers are still under an embargo before "publication tomorrow".

Read the Wikipedia entry for the Henry Jackson Society before making your mind up. My eye was caught by

In 2017, the Henry Jackson Society was accused of running an anti-China propaganda campaign after the Japanese embassy gave them a monthly fee of 10,000 pounds. The campaign was said to be aimed at planting Japan's concerns about China in British newspapers.
The last thing we need is a proxy war between China and Japan, fought in the courts and newspapers of the rest of the world.
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Message 2043171 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 15:09:41 UTC

At this time, since the total number of people infected is really unknown and the death total is, and will be somewhat correct in most countries.


Actually even the number of deaths due to Covid-19 is hard to compare between countries :-(
This is because not all countries use the same basis for generating their figures.
For example:
When quoting their figures Italy uses the number of people who have died, and, post mortem have the Covid-19 virus or antibody present in their body, they "ignore" any underlying medical condition, so (in extremis) they might have someone who was in the last few hours of dying from lung cancer when they came into contact with someone carrying Covid-19, and had so had the virus in their system. They would be recorded as having Covid-19.
Other countries (USA & UK) take a view that if the person was presenting with the symptoms of being infected with Covid-19 then their death is recorded as being due to Covid-19, unless there is a known underlying cause. Thus the patient described for Italy would be discounted from the Covid-19 figures because lung cancer got there first.

It is going to be some time before all the counties actually agree on a consistent basis for collecting these metrics, and we should be aware of these differences when trying to compare them. That said, what is very clear is that both the USA and Italy have a very high infection rate, and so, probably, a very high body count. We have to assume that for both countries the actual number of deaths per infected person is similar. (Not "the same", but similar.)
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Message 2043174 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 15:46:05 UTC - in response to Message 2043167.  

and the death total is, and will be somewhat correct in most Country's.

And on cue this turns up, WaPo - Coronavirus death toll: Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count
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Message 2043175 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 15:58:04 UTC
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Coronavirus: Why death and mortality rates differ
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200401-coronavirus-why-death-and-mortality-rates-differ
Trying to get a handle on exactly how lethal Covid-19 is will prove a knotty problem for some time yet. It may never be possible to get a true, reliable count of the deaths due to Covid-19, as testing in many parts of the world has been too slow to roll out.
As time goes on, the estimate of the Covid-19 death rate is likely to improve, as clinicians are eventually able to go through case notes and tease out the tangle of factors that contributed to each Covid-19 patient’s death.
For now, while hospitals are filled with acutely ill patients and doctors and nurses are working overtime to care for them, that careful analysis is going to have to wait.
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Message 2043220 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 22:02:46 UTC - in response to Message 2043218.  
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As with all those infected, I hope for a full recovery.

BTW: My wife and I watched Queen Elizabeth II Address to her Nation. Even though we are not Her "Subjects" and we don't care one iota about the Royal Family.

Speaking about the USA. If our politician's, on both sides, would emulate Her mature, non-accusatory, we are all in this together Address. We would all be better off.

In true British style:

Hear! Hear!!

(That's a congratulatory agreement for those not familiar with the British ways ;-) )


Regardless of whatever silly politics:

Stay safe!
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Message 2043225 - Posted: 5 Apr 2020, 22:57:58 UTC

Yep. I'm Constantly Reassured and My HOPE Quotient goes Way Up when I listen to Our Kings & Queens here in da U S of A - aka Elitist RichieRich HollyWierd Celebrities and, of Course da SUPERBrainiac Elitist Leftist Media.

Man O Live.

I know my Little Hovel in RUBEWorld is Instantly Covered in a Protective Dome of LOVE & SAFETY when dA KINGs and QUEENs of dA Vrold SPAKE da Good Words their Inspiring Lives have Ingrained in their Altruistic and Egalitarian Souls.

Now I can Sleep knowin' Better Days will be HERE HERE Again.

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