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Message 2030676 - Posted: 3 Feb 2020, 19:48:37 UTC - in response to Message 2030666.  

For someone in the same predicament, follow these steps. I had to revert to using diskpart to clean out my hard drive and start over. But since everything is backed up anyway, it doesn't matter much.
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Message 2030678 - Posted: 3 Feb 2020, 20:09:42 UTC - in response to Message 2030666.  

The reason that Windows 7 can't install on that board is because Windows 7 does not have USB 3.0 drivers for the USB 3.0 ports that board has. You can search on Google for the steps to include the USB 3.0 drivers in the Win 7 media.
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Message 2030687 - Posted: 3 Feb 2020, 20:50:27 UTC - in response to Message 2030678.  

I wasn't trying to install Windows 7 on that system. It already had Windows 7. Mouse and keyboard worked fine in the Windows start menu, afterwards no more.
So I cleaned the hard drive and have now installed Win10 Pro on it. Am in the process of updating it. Will see what drivers Windows will put on here, nice test.

So far max temp I saw with Core Temp was 60C, but general idle temp is 37C. I may have to tinker around with fan controls to get more out of the Wraith Spire.
But let's repopulate the drive first. There's 2TB of emptiness staring at me.
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Message 2030688 - Posted: 3 Feb 2020, 21:10:03 UTC

The Wraith Prism is a much more capable cooler for the 2700X and what it ships with. The Wraith Spire is for the lesser 65W TDP parts like the 2600.
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Message 2030689 - Posted: 3 Feb 2020, 21:11:38 UTC - in response to Message 2030688.  
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Okay, then it's the Prism I have. It's the exact same cooler that came with the 3900X, same part number. And it has nice RGB
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Message 2030713 - Posted: 3 Feb 2020, 22:49:24 UTC - in response to Message 2030689.  

Okay, then it's the Prism I have. It's the exact same cooler that came with the 3900X, same part number. And it has nice RGB



Sure does have a nice RGB :)

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Message 2030775 - Posted: 4 Feb 2020, 10:13:53 UTC
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@Keith,
I remember you saying the new 3700x was the "sweet spot" between price and performance.....

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0] 	443


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AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 49 Stepping 0] 	19 	64.00 	5.30 	339.31

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Message 2030820 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 4:48:53 UTC - in response to Message 2030775.  

@Keith,
I remember you saying the new 3700x was the "sweet spot" between price and performance.....

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0] 	443


Ran across this on the cpu list.

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AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 49 Stepping 0] 	19 	64.00 	5.30 	339.31

Yes, the 3700 or 3700X is the sweet spot. For 8 cores and 16 threads, it has the best bang for the buck. The 3800X doesn't gain you anything notable for the price increase. Same achievable clocks for more money.

Should be another 3970X joining the project by this weekend. A Seti Friend is building a new dual boot rig with a couple of RTX 2070's to start and 128GB of RAM. Enviable hardware and much appreciated toward the goal of crunching max work for the project.
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Message 2030823 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 5:08:18 UTC

Here's a bit of trivia on the SETI CPU List. If you've noticed, some CPUs are listed twice. The difference is one is listed with x86 in the name, such as this one,
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3] GFLOPS/core = 5.52
While further down you see what appears to be the same CPU, but with a lower GFLOPS/core rating;
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz [Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3] GFLOPS/core = 4.57
So, how many people know the difference between the two? I know, just checking on others ;-)
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Message 2030862 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 12:01:08 UTC - in response to Message 2030823.  

Here's a bit of trivia on the SETI CPU List. If you've noticed, some CPUs are listed twice. The difference is one is listed with x86 in the name, such as this one,
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3] GFLOPS/core = 5.52
While further down you see what appears to be the same CPU, but with a lower GFLOPS/core rating;
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz [Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3] GFLOPS/core = 4.57
So, how many people know the difference between the two? I know, just checking on others ;-)


Not me, that's for sure. It has got to be some kind of architecture difference given the noticeable GFlop difference. A Google search picked up X86 vs X86_64 instruction sets. So I am guessing it might be the "X86" refers to the 64-bit instruction set?

Don't leave us in suspense too long... Please.

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Message 2030863 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 12:02:46 UTC

Water Cooling the 3950x and 3000 Threadrippers.

What appears to give you the most Overclocking headroom?

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Message 2030873 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 14:17:48 UTC

I just set up my rig with Umbuntu, threadripper 3970 and dual RTX 2070 Supers. I will hopefully get BOINC installed tonight and correct my lame RAC soon.

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Message 2030890 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 16:53:08 UTC - in response to Message 2030863.  

Water Cooling the 3950x and 3000 Threadrippers.

What appears to give you the most Overclocking headroom?

Tom

Just provide enough cooling to keep the cpu under the 68° C. throttling point with sufficient water cooling under BOINC load.
Buckeye4LF is just using a Enermax 360 AIO.
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Message 2030905 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 19:24:01 UTC

Ran FurMark for CPU together with FurMark for GPU on the new (2700X) system today, still stock cooler. Max temps 76C CPU, 79C GPU. I like it. Especially since this system won't get those temperatures as it's merely for streaming TV series, films and Netflix.

But the system isn't stable. I don't know what's going on, I haven't been able to get 5.1 sound working yet (only two speakers work).
Have had Firefox crashes while it just had two tabs open, one downloading a driver, the other running an LTT video.
Then just moments ago a BSOD (Page fault in nonpaged area). So yeah, it's not stable.

I have the feeling the videocard is damaged, because of all the HDMI problems I had yesterday. Solved those with a new cable and HDMI port 1. But still.
I'll run DDU later on, get rid of all videocard drivers, then only install 20.1.4
Also have a patch for the RealTek 5.1 problem, will try that as well. Just waiting for a memory test to finish. 90% there.
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Message 2030906 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 20:07:19 UTC - in response to Message 2030905.  

What memory test are you running? Sounds like unstable memory problems or not enough SoC voltage.
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Message 2030911 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 20:41:48 UTC - in response to Message 2030862.  

Don't leave us in suspense too long... Please....
Here's an example of a machine with x86 in the CPU name, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6796479
Check the CPU names on your machines.
That should give you an idea of the Top CPU machines....at SETI.
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Message 2030912 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 20:52:02 UTC - in response to Message 2030911.  

seems to be related to either MacOS or the BOINC client on MacOS. those look like the only systems that display that way.
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Message 2030914 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 20:53:11 UTC - in response to Message 2030906.  

What memory test are you running?
The default ones from Windows. It found no problems.
Sounds like unstable memory problems or not enough SoC voltage.
There's also a hiccup at times where mouse and keyboard don't work.
Core voltage switches between 1.3375 to 1.4500V per core, although I do see values as low as 0.372V in CPU-Z. But since that just says Core Voltage, it doesn't say which core does this. In Core Temp I can see the voltages per core, they don't go as low.

I didn't change much in the BIOS, just set XMP profile 1 so that the memory runs at 3,200MHz.
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Message 2030915 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 21:07:50 UTC - in response to Message 2030914.  

I've found that the standard ram test don't reliably find bad ram. I ended up getting one from this place. It detected a bad stick of RAM when the standard ram test couldn't.

https://www.karhusoftware.com/ramtest/

Might want to research it and see what you think.

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Message 2030926 - Posted: 5 Feb 2020, 22:14:25 UTC - in response to Message 2030915.  

That'll have to wait as I am doing a full scan of my hard drive first. It's at stage 5, 13% and going to take at least 2 more hours to get through that.
I'll go play some more of the crash prone Breakpoint. :)
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