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Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
For someone in the same predicament, follow these steps. I had to revert to using diskpart to clean out my hard drive and start over. But since everything is backed up anyway, it doesn't matter much. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
The reason that Windows 7 can't install on that board is because Windows 7 does not have USB 3.0 drivers for the USB 3.0 ports that board has. You can search on Google for the steps to include the USB 3.0 drivers in the Win 7 media. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
I wasn't trying to install Windows 7 on that system. It already had Windows 7. Mouse and keyboard worked fine in the Windows start menu, afterwards no more. So I cleaned the hard drive and have now installed Win10 Pro on it. Am in the process of updating it. Will see what drivers Windows will put on here, nice test. So far max temp I saw with Core Temp was 60C, but general idle temp is 37C. I may have to tinker around with fan controls to get more out of the Wraith Spire. But let's repopulate the drive first. There's 2TB of emptiness staring at me. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
The Wraith Prism is a much more capable cooler for the 2700X and what it ships with. The Wraith Spire is for the lesser 65W TDP parts like the 2600. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
Okay, then it's the Prism I have. It's the exact same cooler that came with the 3900X, same part number. And it has nice RGB |
Tom M Send message Joined: 28 Nov 02 Posts: 5126 Credit: 276,046,078 RAC: 462 |
Okay, then it's the Prism I have. It's the exact same cooler that came with the 3900X, same part number. And it has nice RGB Sure does have a nice RGB :) Tom A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association). |
Tom M Send message Joined: 28 Nov 02 Posts: 5126 Credit: 276,046,078 RAC: 462 |
@Keith, I remember you saying the new 3700x was the "sweet spot" between price and performance..... AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0] 443 Ran across this on the cpu list. Tom ps AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 32-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 49 Stepping 0] 19 64.00 5.30 339.31 A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association). |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
@Keith, Yes, the 3700 or 3700X is the sweet spot. For 8 cores and 16 threads, it has the best bang for the buck. The 3800X doesn't gain you anything notable for the price increase. Same achievable clocks for more money. Should be another 3970X joining the project by this weekend. A Seti Friend is building a new dual boot rig with a couple of RTX 2070's to start and 128GB of RAM. Enviable hardware and much appreciated toward the goal of crunching max work for the project. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Here's a bit of trivia on the SETI CPU List. If you've noticed, some CPUs are listed twice. The difference is one is listed with x86 in the name, such as this one, Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3] GFLOPS/core = 5.52 While further down you see what appears to be the same CPU, but with a lower GFLOPS/core rating; Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz [Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3] GFLOPS/core = 4.57 So, how many people know the difference between the two? I know, just checking on others ;-) |
Tom M Send message Joined: 28 Nov 02 Posts: 5126 Credit: 276,046,078 RAC: 462 |
Here's a bit of trivia on the SETI CPU List. If you've noticed, some CPUs are listed twice. The difference is one is listed with x86 in the name, such as this one, Not me, that's for sure. It has got to be some kind of architecture difference given the noticeable GFlop difference. A Google search picked up X86 vs X86_64 instruction sets. So I am guessing it might be the "X86" refers to the 64-bit instruction set? Don't leave us in suspense too long... Please. Tom A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association). |
Tom M Send message Joined: 28 Nov 02 Posts: 5126 Credit: 276,046,078 RAC: 462 |
Water Cooling the 3950x and 3000 Threadrippers. What appears to give you the most Overclocking headroom? Tom A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association). |
Buckeye4LF Send message Joined: 19 Jun 00 Posts: 173 Credit: 54,916,209 RAC: 833 |
I just set up my rig with Umbuntu, threadripper 3970 and dual RTX 2070 Supers. I will hopefully get BOINC installed tonight and correct my lame RAC soon. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
Water Cooling the 3950x and 3000 Threadrippers. Just provide enough cooling to keep the cpu under the 68° C. throttling point with sufficient water cooling under BOINC load. Buckeye4LF is just using a Enermax 360 AIO. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
Ran FurMark for CPU together with FurMark for GPU on the new (2700X) system today, still stock cooler. Max temps 76C CPU, 79C GPU. I like it. Especially since this system won't get those temperatures as it's merely for streaming TV series, films and Netflix. But the system isn't stable. I don't know what's going on, I haven't been able to get 5.1 sound working yet (only two speakers work). Have had Firefox crashes while it just had two tabs open, one downloading a driver, the other running an LTT video. Then just moments ago a BSOD (Page fault in nonpaged area). So yeah, it's not stable. I have the feeling the videocard is damaged, because of all the HDMI problems I had yesterday. Solved those with a new cable and HDMI port 1. But still. I'll run DDU later on, get rid of all videocard drivers, then only install 20.1.4 Also have a patch for the RealTek 5.1 problem, will try that as well. Just waiting for a memory test to finish. 90% there. |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 13164 Credit: 1,160,866,277 RAC: 1,873 |
What memory test are you running? Sounds like unstable memory problems or not enough SoC voltage. Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association) |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Don't leave us in suspense too long... Please....Here's an example of a machine with x86 in the CPU name, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6796479 Check the CPU names on your machines. That should give you an idea of the Top CPU machines....at SETI. |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
seems to be related to either MacOS or the BOINC client on MacOS. those look like the only systems that display that way. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
What memory test are you running?The default ones from Windows. It found no problems. Sounds like unstable memory problems or not enough SoC voltage.There's also a hiccup at times where mouse and keyboard don't work. Core voltage switches between 1.3375 to 1.4500V per core, although I do see values as low as 0.372V in CPU-Z. But since that just says Core Voltage, it doesn't say which core does this. In Core Temp I can see the voltages per core, they don't go as low. I didn't change much in the BIOS, just set XMP profile 1 so that the memory runs at 3,200MHz. |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
I've found that the standard ram test don't reliably find bad ram. I ended up getting one from this place. It detected a bad stick of RAM when the standard ram test couldn't. https://www.karhusoftware.com/ramtest/ Might want to research it and see what you think. Z |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
That'll have to wait as I am doing a full scan of my hard drive first. It's at stage 5, 13% and going to take at least 2 more hours to get through that. I'll go play some more of the crash prone Breakpoint. :) |
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