Not sure how I missed this article, but it jibes with Hallock's comment about not cannibalizing Epyc sales with a 8 channel Threadripper.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15359/trx80-and-wrx80-dont-exist-neither-does-the-intel-lga1159-socket

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And wouldn't Hallock be considered as a primary' source as defined by Dr Cutress?
JSM

3950X prices are dropping ever so slightly here in the Netherlands: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1403128/amd-ryzen-9-3950x.html
Down to €799,-

For a good cool fast giggle:

32-Core Overclock: How I Pushed the Threadripper 3970X 1 GHz Over Its Limit wrote:

I take the Cinebench world record with the Threadripper 3970X...

Way to go!!!

(So where is the Kittyman to go more extreme than that?!!!)


Happy cool fast crunchin',
Martin

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I just saw a listing for a Amd 3900x for $489.... (New etc)

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Well, that was just in time. Tonight I tried starting the old system I replaced. First got a black screen with a cursor.
After fiddling with it for a long time, I managed to get into Windows but everything was slow... Rebooted, went into the BIOS where everything was even slower. Okay, back to Windows. Removed some programs. Needed a reboot for one of them.
And then the system thought 'no more'. Constant Dr Debug error 62. Chipset initialization error. Clear CMOS and reset. Well, done that 5 times now. Once got stuck on error A3 (SATA devices init bad), but am back at error 62.

So I think that's a dead motherboard. Can't get to the BIOS, don't even have anything on screen. Tried different HDMI cables, tried a Display Port to DVI cable for an older monitor. Nothing. Even tried a different HDMI input on the TV. No signal.

So... thanks trusty i5-3470 with Win7. I suppose I could get a new motherboard, but can just as well do that and get a slightly better CPU. It's just for serving the TV with stuff on my NAS. At present an i5-750 is doing that with an Nvidia GTX 1050. I can move my AMD RX470 into a newer system and put Win10 Pro on it and be done.

Will be using an upgrade kit to update the system, to a Gigabyte B450 AORUS ELITE motherboard, Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX 2x8GB 3200 C16 memory and an AMD R7 2700X for just €370,90, and then buying a same kit for my ex to update her computer (also an i5-3470) before its motherboard also gives up the ghost.

At least with a B450 chipset we can always in the future drop a better CPU into it (probably needs a BIOS update).
(The other I saw was an MSI B450 Tomahawk Pro motherboard, unknown 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM and an R5 3600 for €429,- but comparing with the other system, its motherboard and RAM were better)

AMD really did us a favor by sticking to their guns about socket compatibility through many generations of Ryzen. Can't say the same about Threadripper.

You will still be able to use the old X470 chipset motherboards on the upcoming Zen 3 models coming out later this year. Then that will be the end of Socket AM4 and we will just have to wait and see what they come up with for the next generation of Zen 4 cpus. Probably have something to do with supporting DDR5/6 or whatever.

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Probably have something to do with supporting DDR5/6 or whatever.

PCIe 5.0 ;-)

At least with a B450 chipset we can always in the future drop a better CPU into it (probably needs a BIOS update).

Yup! I will admit I had the bios updates in place before I ever tried my 3900x. So I am not sure of the symptoms of not upgrading the bios but I have every reason to believe "it won't boot" would be a pretty good summary :)

Tom

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Yes, the trouble with these boards is then that you'll need an older model CPU in it before you can flash the BIOS. So that's checked then. :)


Question, was the 1700 something special? I ask as when comparing it to newer CPUs at my usual retailer, €229,- is very expensive compared to the CPUs coming after it. Although the 1800X on there is also expensive at €249,-

No nothing special about the 1700, just the lowest binned part of first gen Ryzen. Price probably is simply because of lack of availability and low stock. Most NOS has been sold off long ago. Don't know why you would even consider a 1st Gen part when the 2nd Gen Ryzens are still plentiful and much cheaper. The 2700 is selling for $135.

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One final test done, removed all cards, removed all SATA devices. Start. No POST. Error A3 (problem with SATA or IDE devices).
Removed CMOS battery for 5 minutes.
Put everything back, battery, audio card, video card, DVD ROM and HDD.
Started, hangs at b2 (which appears to be a problem with the video card, although undocumented).
Pressed Reset button on motherboard, hangs at A3.
So it really doesn't want to budge anymore.

Just have to hope my RX470 GPU didn't die. But will see that Tuesday when I collect the new upgrade kit.

When troubleshooting, always reduce down to minimums. Cpu, one stick of memory, one video card in the slot closest to cpu socket. Goal is simply to post and get to BIOS. Does the board support BIOS flashback? If it does, I would flash the BIOS again to get a clean copy in the motherboard. The boards that support flashback allow you to put in a new BIOS or refresh it with nothing but the power supply connected. No cpu, no memory, no cards. That is the best way to clear BIOS boot issues.

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https://gadgets-reviews.com/review/893-best-amd-ryzen-motherboards.html#top

Take a look at his choice for "best crypto mining motherboard" :)

Tom

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https://gadgets-reviews.com/review/893-best-amd-ryzen-motherboards.html#top

Take a look at his choice for "best crypto mining motherboard" :)

Tom

First I would discredit everything in that article since the author can't even get right that the Gigabyte X99 Designare EX board is an Intel cpu board while he waxes about its Ryzen compatibility.
What a joke!

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Just as there is no "ASRock AMS X470", it's ASRock AMD X470.
And the Taichi good for light PC games? The Taichi, even the bare bones version, is the ultimate motherboard for Asrock.

When troubleshooting, always reduce down to minimums.

I tried to force the built in GPU in the Intel CPU, by removing the AMD GPU and using the on the motherboard HDMI outlet as well as the DVI outlet. Didn't work, still no signal on monitors, no post, only Dr Debug errors. This does mean I can't flash the BIOS either, as I don't get through POST. The system will have to POST first before I can do anything beyond that.

Yes unless the board has a dedicated BIOS Flash USB port on the I/O shield and the Flash button, you have to get through POST and then into the BIOS to update the BIOS. So if the board does not POST no matter what you have tried, the board is dead and either needs to go back for RMA or into the recycle pile.

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Well, plenty more trouble. I've taken out the Intel + mobo and installed the 2700X with mobo, went for the Wraith Prism cooler, it has nice RGB.
Can't boot into Windows 7. As soon as I get past Windows start up, the USB ports disconnect, effectively shutting down mouse and keyboard.
Started with the Windows 10 Setup on a USB drive, it can't update the Windows because that needs to be done from within that Windows... which I cannot do because of the above problem. So then I try to just install Windows 10, but the drive is MBR and needs to be EFI (or something). Can't format it either. Great. And of course someone did away with Fdisk... So I will have to figure this one out later, first dinner.