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Message 2000161 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 20:13:16 UTC - in response to Message 2000160.  
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As I said regarding Government Election's. All should vote.
But they can't be compelled in a Country that defends Individual Rights.
Yes. But why don't so many Americans vote? Because of "It's my legal right to be ignorant" or " I really don't care, do u"?
Is it illegal in the US to give a blank vote?

No. It is called a "Protest Vote"

Having worked as a Sworn Poll Deputy, enforcing Rules, Regulations and Safety at the Polls here in Florida for the past few years. In addition to "Protest Votes". We have "write-in" vote's for Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, people possibly voting for themselves, etc.

Since the Government cannot compel people to vote, nor limit their vote to who is on the ballot. These "write-in" votes are counted as "Other's"
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Message 2000162 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 20:23:44 UTC - in response to Message 2000161.  

Hehe:)
We have the Donald Duck Party as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party
But I think the Homer Simpson party are coming in strong...
“Blame It on Lisa”:)
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Message 2000167 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 20:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 2000162.  

Hehe:)
We have the Donald Duck Party as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party
But I think the Homer Simpson party are coming in strong...
“Blame It on Lisa”:)

Do you agree with me that Homer might be a better President than the present one?

:-D :-D :-D
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Message 2000181 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 22:34:27 UTC - in response to Message 2000161.  

Since the Government cannot compel people to vote, nor limit their vote to who is on the ballot.

Perhaps in Florida they don't limit, but in other states you can only vote for candidates that are eligible [filed paperwork - paid fees], anyone else is "not counted" sometimes called an "under vote."
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Message 2000183 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 22:44:06 UTC

I don't understand that a government can't compel voting. Of course it can. It compels citizens to register for the draft. It compels citizens to perform Jury duty. It compels people to obey subpoenas. It compels people to obey laws. So why can't a government compel voting? Never mind there are many governments around the world who do, so obviously they can.

In the USA the government can't tax you to vote. But the opposite isn't true. It can tax you if you don't vote!
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Message 2000186 - Posted: 28 Jun 2019, 23:08:25 UTC - in response to Message 2000167.  

Hehe:)
We have the Donald Duck Party as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party
But I think the Homer Simpson party are coming in strong...
“Blame It on Lisa”:)

Do you agree with me that Homer might be a better President than the present one?
:-D :-D :-D
Maybe. And with some appointments and aids from the Flintstones and the Al Bundy family we are home free:)
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Message 2000198 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 0:18:03 UTC - in response to Message 2000186.  
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Hehe:)
We have the Donald Duck Party as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party
But I think the Homer Simpson party are coming in strong...
“Blame It on Lisa”:)

Do you agree with me that Homer might be a better President than the present one?
:-D :-D :-D
Maybe. And with some appointments and aids from the Flintstones and the Al Bundy family we are home free:)

Yes, this Presidency does seem at times to be a silly cartoon and/or sitcom.

Unfortunately, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough correctly likened last night's Democrat Debate to a "clown show".
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Message 2000199 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 0:21:21 UTC - in response to Message 2000183.  
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I don't understand that a government can't compel voting. Of course it can. It compels citizens to register for the draft. It compels citizens to perform Jury duty. It compels people to obey subpoenas. It compels people to obey laws. So why can't a government compel voting? Never mind there are many governments around the world who do, so obviously they can.

In the USA the government can't tax you to vote. But the opposite isn't true. It can tax you if you don't vote!

The State governments should make it into an opportunity, by following the Australian example and handing out small fines to those that don't vote. If in Texas 20% of the Voting Age Population were fined $10 then the income would be ~$40 million, and they possibly would have second thoughts on suppressing voter registration of the non-white population. (We all know the true god in the US is the $)

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/historical/70-92.shtml
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Message 2000202 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 0:30:39 UTC - in response to Message 2000183.  
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Compulsory voting? From a self-identified Libertarian? (Well, that was how you voted at least.) Not that it's the first stance I've seen that would put you at odds with "mainstream" libertarians. But I digress...

In a properly functioning democracy, voters won't need to be compelled. They will vote because they feel that their vote will count and that voting is important. The very low turnout at U..S. federal elections should be sending a message that voters no longer care and reforms are needed. (I say "should" because there certainly are some vested interests that are encouraging low voter turnout.) Some possible reasons:

Electronic voting: a paperless voting machine can lose or change thousands of votes without any verifiable trace. Thousands of people patiently waiting for hours to vote (sometimes taking time off work...) all wasted; their votes are now worthless. It's common knowledge that these machines are usually insecure, prone to failure, easily tampered with and usually run by people who know very little about their inner workings. I personally would not ever vote if that was my only option.

Superdelegates etc.: Remember what happened to Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries? He didn't win the Democratic nomination because it was already pre-determined that Hillary was going to be the candidate... who cares what the people chose. I wonder how many voters decided they had had enough at that point.

Inconvenience: There are usually not enough polling stations resulting in long lineups, for a process that doesn't require this at all. For example Washington state now has vote-by-mail statewide using secure hand-counted paper ballots (as well as polling stations.) Why isn't this national? Again we come back to a fragmented system of fifty sets of laws and policies yet for one federal election.

Ennui/stalemate/partisanship: The U.S. is regionally polarized enough that elections are usually decided by a couple of swing states, leaving two almost evenly matched houses. In such conditions it's very difficult to get any meaningful legislation passed. Voters don't feel anything will change, so they may as well stay home.

I'm sure others can think of many more...
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Message 2000204 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 0:39:06 UTC



Kinda sums it up.........

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Message 2000206 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 1:15:00 UTC - in response to Message 2000202.  

Compulsory voting? From a self-identified Libertarian? (Well, that was how you voted at least.) Not that it's the first stance I've seen that would put you at odds with "mainstream" libertarians. But I digress...
Perhaps, but perhaps if "abstain" and "none of the above" were also choices on the ballot they might not be so divergent.
<end digress>

California's vote by mail.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article215115160.html
California voters will save themselves a few stamps after Gov. Jerry Brown on Wednesday signed a measure requiring elections officials to provide prepaid mail ballots in future elections.

Superdelegates are a democrat party invention. If you don't like them, then don't be part of that party. Or work inside that party to change their internal rules. There are no government rules about how parties select their candidates. The only government rules are for general elections. There are states where there isn't an election but a caucus. That is a huge time waster as everybody has to stay for hours to get a result. So only the special interests who have big money at stake or retired people who have nothing else to do show up to caucus.

As to a small fine for not voting, the voter suppression efforts would swing from hindrance on election day to hindrance in getting registered in the first place and ways invented to remove voters from registration. Some form of automatic lifetime registration will be needed.

My thought is put a quorum of at least 75% in place. That will force candidates to go center so as to not piss off too many voters. Make those blank, abstain and none of the above count, so the required is 50%+1 of the total including them. Again it will force candidates to the center so that they don't piss off too many voters.

We have a census that is supposed to count everyone. If we have a poll it should also count everyone. Yes there are a lot of "libertarians" who think the government doesn't have a right to know that you exist. Or should they be called "anarchists?"
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Message 2000275 - Posted: 29 Jun 2019, 13:26:12 UTC - in response to Message 2000204.  
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Kinda sums it up.........

Dear JE... Quite correct.

As I posted: MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Joe Scarborough, likened this Democrat Candidate's for President debate to a "clown show".

Let's see what happens when most of these "clowns" are gone and only a few remain.

Do any of them have the capacity and intelligence to connect with voter's outside of their Left Wing base. If not, and the economy is still good, probably a Trump victory.
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Message 2000690 - Posted: 3 Jul 2019, 0:55:53 UTC

Trump administration won't ask about citizenship on census

(CNN)The Trump administration said Tuesday that it will not ask about citizenship status on the 2020 census, backing off a contentious effort to reinstate the question over objections from opponents who successfully argued to the Supreme Court that it would disenfranchise minority groups.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who originally directed the Census Bureau to add the question, said in a statement that he was moving ahead with printing the 2020 census despite his disagreement with the court's ruling last week.

"I respect the Supreme Court but strongly disagree with its ruling regarding my decision to reinstate a citizenship question on the 2020 Census," Ross said in a statement Tuesday. "The Census Bureau has started the process of printing the decennial questionnaires without the question. My focus, and that of the Bureau and the entire Department is to conduct a complete and accurate census."

As recently as Monday, President Donald Trump had said his administration was looking for ways to delay the once-a-decade tally so that the question could be included.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/doj-census-citizenship-question/index.html

I agree with the SCOTUS Ruling.
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Message 2000743 - Posted: 3 Jul 2019, 11:47:47 UTC

Says it all, considering the originator.
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Democratic Florida Rep. Frederica Wilson asserted that people who mock members of Congress online should face prosecution.

"Those people who are online making fun of members of Congress are a disgrace, and there is no need for anyone to think that is unacceptable [sic]," Wilson said during comments made Tuesday outside of the Homestead Temporary Shelter for Unaccompanied Children in Homestead, Florida.

"We're gonna shut them down and work with whoever it is to shut them down, and they should be prosecuted," she continued. "You cannot intimidate members of Congress, frighten members of Congress. It is against the law, and it's a shame in this United States of America."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rep-frederica-wilson-demands-prosecution-for-those-who-mock-congress-online

In addition to Congress. This Democrat and her freedom destroying supporter's must include ;prosecuting those "making fun of" President's online. IE: Trump!

How about including "making fun of" President's and certain Member's of Congress by late night comedians.

If she and those who agree with her weren't so sick and evil. A laugh would be appropriate.

It isn't.
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Message 2000752 - Posted: 3 Jul 2019, 13:06:32 UTC - in response to Message 2000751.  

Never mind comedians... just read a little later in the article:

Wilson has long been a critic of the president, whom she has claimed is "crazy" and suffering from "a brain disorder."


I guess she should turn herself in first. As well as ignorant of the law, she seems ignorant of the Streisand Effect and is going to be pilloried incessantly on the internet now. :^p
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Message 2000755 - Posted: 3 Jul 2019, 13:45:58 UTC
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And in the Article:

[Democratic Florida Rep. Frederica} Wilson then went on to blame President Trump for causing people to lose respect for Congress, the media, and the White House.

A May 2019 Gallup poll recorded a 20% approval rating for Congress, whose approval rating has not hit 30% in 10 years.

Yes... The the very low approval rating of Congress preceded Trump by many years :-D
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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>
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Incredibly apt description of conservative brain.
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