hahahahahahaha.

People that round up/down to sensible levels get moaned at for being imprecise.

People that are precise get moaned at for being too specific.

Doesn't matter how precise you are, if you're not accurate.
Precision is nice, accuracy is essential.

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Grant
Darwin NT

hahahahahahaha.

People that round up/down to sensible levels get moaned at for being imprecise.

People that are precise get moaned at for being too specific.

Doesn't matter how precise you are, if you're not accurate.
Precision is nice, accuracy is essential.

+1

Steve

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This thread has taken an unkind turn.

I am locking it for clean-up.

ak

Clean-up complete.

Everybody play nice.

I used a conversation calculator for miles to kilometers. I could have posted 2.5 miles equivalent is 4.02336 km. I didn't want to be that sticky with it. I will think about limiting it to two decimal places in the future.

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If a person had 4 US pints then it would equal 3.33 or 3 1/3 pints metric. So metric volumes are "Texas" sized. Because everything is bigger in Texas. Lol.

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If a person had 4 US pints then it would equal 3.33 or 3 1/3 pints metric. So metric volumes are "Texas" sized. Because everything is bigger in Texas. Lol.

And if you had 4 US pints you might not be typing very well.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

If a person had 4 US pints then it would equal 3.33 or 3 1/3 pints metric. So metric volumes are "Texas" sized. Because everything is bigger in Texas. Lol.

And if you had 4 US pints you might not be typing very well.

So true.

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Because everything is bigger in Texas. Lol.

Only the egos :-))) As the saying goes "Big mouth = small willy".

And if you had 4 US pints you might not be typing very well.

And if you had 4 British pints of proper beer, you wouldn't be typing at all!!!

Not a big deal to me.
Once i had 6 and my verb was still O.K.

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With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

Cassini's Saturn Crash 2017: How to Watch Its 'Grand Finale'

On Sept. 15, NASA's Cassini spacecraft will wrap up 20 historic years in space, collecting data as it crashes into Saturn’s atmosphere and burns up like a meteor.

NASA will air a series of webcasts leading up Cassini’s final suicide plunge, which you will be able to watch here at Space.com
the streaming schedule is linked above.

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I will be the first to announce we are back up.

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Be VERY careful about fitting a "normal" tyre onto a space saver rim.
While what you appear to be suggesting sounds good, to use your existing spare wheel and put a "correct sized" tyre on there are some pitfalls.
The space saver rim is almost certainly too narrow for the proposed tyre.
Many space saver rim/tyre combinations do not use standard bead profiles, which means a "standard" tyre won't seat properly.
Some space saver rims were/are manufactured deliberately out of balance and so need massive amounts of balance weights if you use a normal tyre. In most cases where this was the case the tyre was made out of balance to compensate.
The higher profile sidewall of the 14 inch 65% profile tyre will be less stiff than the 15 inch 60% profile tyre, so will not give the same ride & handling characteristics.
In UK and (most of) Europe it is not permitted to mix wheel diameters on the same axle - unless one of the wheels is a manufacture specified and dedicated spare wheel. This could well also be the case in the US.
Indeed you may find it a lot cheaper to buy a correctly sized steel wheel and a fifth tyre the same size as the four "on the road".

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

On Vic's car problems, when I was younger and had oldish cars, if I had a problem and needed replacement parts the first place I would go would be the car recycling places.
And having done a very quick search I came across Bells Auto Parts & Wrecking, 8777 San Fernando Rd, Sun Valley, CA 91352 on the first page not that far away.

Also, on many cars in Europe they are installed as they are lighter than a full-size tyre and so give a better tiny tiddly bit fuel consumption under the very false emissions baseline testing.

I've only used a space saver spare once, and that was twice too often.
Given Vic's spare was off the rim I would hazard a guess that it had never been fitted or checked in all its long life, which shows how often it has been needed, and how often it was checked. I don't quite understand why the tyre place couldn't use one of those quick blast machines they all have to re-seat the tyre, unless of course it had aged so much that the bead and sidewall had broken apart (unless of course they make more money flogging another new tyre instead of re-seating an old one, on the other hand I've never known a tyre fitter not accepting the fiver to re-seat a tyre)

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

My head is spinning with all this talk about tires.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Vic - if the rolling diameter and width are the same then the spare wheel well will take them. If, as on some cars the well is only deep enough to take the skinny spare then it doesn't matter what the rim diameter is neither the 185/65x14 or the 185/60x15 will fit. Before you splash the cash try one of your existing road wheel and tyre in to make sure.
As for the state of the old, scrap, spare, it sounds as if its suffered from not being kept inflated for some time. Speed isn't the only thing that kills those tyres, age is a big factor. If you've still got the tyre have a look at the date code, which you will find near the "DOT" code , its a four digit number, two for the year and two for the week within that year - I can't remember the order, but if it is something like "98-05" or 12-36" then its easy, but if its like "01-02" its a harder task - you just have to look and and find which order the two parts are in. After about ten years even well stored tyres are starting to get a bit suspect, and stuck in the trunk for years in an area where outside temperatures regularly top 100F must be is to be considered a poor storage environment. Indeed those skinnies should be considered "use once" items they wear so quickly :-(

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

On Vic's car problems, when I was younger and had oldish cars, if I had a problem and needed replacement parts the first place I would go would be the car recycling places.
And having done a very quick search I came across Bells Auto Parts & Wrecking, 8777 San Fernando Rd, Sun Valley, CA 91352 on the first page not that far away.

On a very old car you often find that genuine spare parts are not made any more, and that pattern parts are hard to come by. So yes, using a car breakers is sometimes the only way to keep a car on the road. But you don't ever buy s/h tyres. Even though upon inspection they might look OK you don't know how many times they have been kerbed, weakening the side wall.

Many years ago in the 60's I ran a Triumph Herald t that took 560 x 13 tyres. You could fit 590 x 13 tyres on the rims and get a heck of a load more mileage. But only on the rear, the front would make the steering too stiff. Probably an MOT failure today to mix tyre sizes. like that.

(That was of course with the original cross plys not modern radials)

In my case I had just bought an old 2nd hand car so didn't even know tyre history of tyres on the car, but it had no spare and one wheel had a few dents in the rim. So decided to look for recycled ones, at the 3rd or 4th scrapyard, we found a similar car that had only been brought in a few days before after an accident. It had been rolled and I got all 5 wheels and tyres, which looked in better shape and had more tread than my originals. I also took the seats, they were a matched set the originals weren't, and the boot (trunk) lid.

You'd be surprised how many people are not aware of those date codes, Rob. It is one of the things I've checked for years, as a seemingly good deal on a car, can become a nightmare, if the thing is shod with ten-year-old tyres. With tyres that old, they might not even last ten miles, never mind the cost of replacing them - generally, work on six years or seven years at most. They will, literally, fall apart - or blow out at the worst possible moment. Oh yes, rolling diameter of wheels/tyres can catch people out. Ideally, the spare wheel/tyre should be the same size or extremely close to the others. A big difference, may manifest itself, as a failure in the ABS system, as the wheel sensor detects the difference in rotational speed - at what point the system will register the ABS 'fault', will depend on the system parameters. I actually bought a car with an ABS 'fault' after the dealer offered to reduce the price by £600 (quite a bit, back in about '97!) because of it......two hours later, the car was 100% for the cost of about £40. Not often you get to catch out a dealer! Another thing to be careful of, is if the tyre is 'uni-directional' i.e., at speed, it is designed to rotate in one direction only - you could only use that spare, on two wheels, or one side. Make sure your spare is omni-directional - if it isn't, pray that it won't be the two wheels you can't change, that get the puncture. At best; it'll be a straight swap. Not too bad; finding you have onmi-directionals on two other wheels, so a bit of tyre 'shuffling' involved. Worst case; all tyres on your car are uni-directional and the spare 'rotates the wrong way' to the one punctured!

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Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive!

Remember too, if you have full time 4 wheel drive, always replace all 4 tires. I had a friend who replaced 2. He burned up the transfer case. It ended up costing $1,400 to repair. And he still had to replace all 4 tires.

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