It is easily forgotten that in the United States, on average one mass shooting takes place per day. Mass shooting defined where four people or more were shot at or risked to be shot at.

One by day!
A brutally absurd figure. No other democracy has such high numbers.

We know that people have difficulty learning from history. Not even being able to learn the present is even worse.

Ah but tomorrow the present becomes yesterday's history.

But I would never condemn, silence or ridicule those who repeat that necessary truth.

No issue with that whatsoever. The problem is that all on here are probably fully aware of history & more often enough would agree with you. The problem is that constantly repeating it to those who agree cannot help but see it as not necessary, more than likely because those here are not in a position to change the attitude of those who do not listen.

I would have expected a retired teacher to at least realise that by now.

Fair comment. For that to work, then you have to accept the comments made by others if disagreed with, stop with siding, in my case, the police. I have not condemned all that serve as officers.

The problem a I see it on these threads is that in one breath, you condemn government control & in another support that control in siding with the police. Don't the police have control, be it local state or federal?

Doesn't law & order by its very nature require control?

Greetings,

This thread has brought a couple thoughts to mind:

Remember in London, they had the serial killer, Jack the Ripper. He didn't use a gun to kill those women. He used knives. Shouldn't we ban all knives to prevent killing like that? Why not?

Back in the day, people used to stone people to death. Perhaps banning stones would curtail that killing too.

You see boys and girls, taking one killing tool away will NOT stop the killing. The killers would either adapt and use a new tool, or get the tool illegally. I saw the police arrest a man because he killed someone with a screw driver. Yeah, a SCREW DRIVER! Let's ban tire irons, crowbars, axe handles, broom sticks...

Taking away MY right to own a gun is not going to stop the bad guys from killing. Our country is not the absolute only country to have killings. The rest of the planet has too.

So, let's quit bad mouthing my country.

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Somehow I find an AR15 with a bump stock and a couple of large capacity magazines to be more efficient than a screwdriver or a knife.

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Excellent logic, now just take it that one step further, or else they might just wrap their hands round your throat.

Excellent logic, now just take it that one step further, or else they might just wrap their hands round your throat.

I like that, ban hands, that would stop the killing.

Why don't we try free mental health first.

Or by a Constitutional Convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. With the U.S. Congress and President having no say.

Simple.

Pigs will fly before that happens.

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Excellent logic, now just take it that one step further, or else they might just wrap their hands round your throat.

I like that, ban hands, that would stop the killing.

Why don't we try free mental health first.

Not going to happen under this administration. Trump administration freezes database of addiction and mental health programs

If people do own guns there should be strict laws on how they are kept and who can have them.

A sheet of paper with a law written on it does not stop a bullet.

In the UK it does.

If people do own guns there should be strict laws on how they are kept and who can have them.

A sheet of paper with a law written on it does not stop a bullet.

In the UK it does.

I believe that like I believe I will become a billionaire today. lol :D

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

This is nice.
A perfect tool to defend yourself and perhaps your family.
And you don't disturb your neighbours while using it.
The Quietest Sniper Rifle Ever... and Why The Government Doesn’t Regulate It...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsSYngXbCc0

If people do own guns there should be strict laws on how they are kept and who can have them.

A sheet of paper with a law written on it does not stop a bullet.

In the UK it does.

I believe that like I believe I will become a billionaire today. lol :D

Siran

Well, a little maths might help:-

USA
323.1 Million (2016) people
33,363 (2013) deaths by Firearm
that's 10.3 deaths per 100,000 people

England & Wales
56.03 Million (2011) people
26 (2016) deaths by Firearm
that's 4.6 deaths per 10,000,000 people

Two orders of magnitude would appear to support the 'bit of paper'

In the USA Policing figures are hidden, since your Police do not have to report how many people they kill every year, in 2014 the Washington Post did an independent Study and suggested from FBI supplied Data that the figure for that year was around 1,000 people killed by Police.

In the UK, in 2016 the Police in the UK discharged their weapons seven times, that's 7 trigger pulls, 7 rounds, resulting in 3 deaths.

Since those figures were released six people have been killed by Police in the UK, but that includes the shooting of terrorists in London during 2017.

Maybe we value what's written on paper, and life itself, more than having the right to shoot each other.

BTW, I own Firearms and Shotguns, properly Certificated, with proper background checks by Police Special Branch, and everything registered on a National Database accessible by the Police 24/7, I have nothing against Firearms Ownership, by the right people, for the right reasons.

I think you'd have to live here to understand, it's not just a language we're divided by, your whole culture is alien to here, and that's fine, but you thinking you are right and I am wrong, when we're comparing Apples and Oranges, is just not helpful.

What works here may not work there, but you have to ask yourselves why.

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What works here may not work there, but you have to ask yourselves why.

Why? Weeeee dA WEEEEE of dA U S of A Live in a S**tHOLE.

Weeeee dA WEEEEE are Tryin' to Turn Our GREAT S**tHOLE into a HELLHole.

I Believe WEEEEE can Do It.

Full of HOLY Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

If people do own guns there should be strict laws on how they are kept and who can have them.

A sheet of paper with a law written on it does not stop a bullet.

In the UK it does.

I believe that like I believe I will become a billionaire today. lol :D

Siran

Well, a little maths might help:-

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Maybe we value what's written on paper, and life itself, more than having the right to shoot each other.

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Yep, another non-U.S.A. citizen making the WHOLE population of our country out to be killers.

Where do you get off saying we have the "right to shoot each other"? Are you insane? Or are you just putting in you shilling's worth of crap?

We do NOT have the right to shoot each other.

Someone here told me a few days ago that since the ban of guns in the U.K., killings by knife or other tools has gone up.

We do not have to rely on a piece of paper held up in front of an intruder into our homes to tell the intruder that he cannot use the gun he is flashing around. A 9mm or even a 45ACP will discourage the intruder much better. And the Police force says, don't shoot to maim, shoot to kill.

I'm thinking that you from the U.K. are still fuming over the fact that we kicked your butts during the Revolutionary War.

Oh, and I learned about some atrocities done by the British, during the war, to our pows. Putting them on derelict British ships in the NY harbor, chained together with little to no food and diseases running rampant. Shame on you! ;)

nufsed

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

You really just wrote that

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Google MS St Louis.

Google MS St Louis.

And that is relevant to my post... because... ?

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Google MS St Louis.

And that is relevant to my post... because... ?

Siran

Read your post again, the answer is there :-)