I notice you ignore the other examples. For example, the black child who was carrying a fake gun that was reported as a fake gun.

No, that was reported as a real gun to the cop responding. Or did you never listen to the radio call?

If you really thought these examples didn't add up to what they look like you would find all the examples that go against the pattern.

There isn't enough time to chase down every one, I also have a life, and after a few examples, it isn't necessary, you have proved that broadcasting your stereotype is more important than facts, essentially identical thinking process as racism. One example and it becomes universal truth.

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Well, 99One. You Can Be The GO TO GAL fO Our Prez, DEM/Lib Mayors and Guvs, when Al dA SharpOne, gets Da Boot.

Youse Gots The Race Baitin' Cred.

You'll Be Likeee Our Canadian 007 fO Race Relations.

Sweetness.

Yep.

Stop playing the "race-baiting" card Gobba.

I've seen enough of your posts to know exactly where you stand on this issue.

Its not so called race-baiting to point out that people are being judged and treated differently based on their colour.

If you find it difficult to even hear that, just imagine how difficult it is to have to live with it every day.

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Well, actually quite hard to imagine that first cop action even if he would think that the child holds real gun will be to shoot into the child... Really hard...

Well, actually quite hard to imagine that first cop action even if he would think that the child holds real gun will be to shoot into the child... Really hard...

Except in America, with its twisted criminal justice system where juveniles get no punishment, so the drug gang has them do their street level distribution, armed of course for personal protection.

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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: The Police Aren’t Under Attack. Institutionalized Racism Is.

There are a lot of people in this thread who can't see the wood for the trees.

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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: The Police Aren’t Under Attack[/url]

There are a lot of people in this thread who can't see the wood for the trees.

Cliven Bundy, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Donald DeFreeze, the list goes on. Yes, they (police and government) are under attack. But only part of it is not over racism. The part that is racism driven wants more, occasionally less, institutional racism practiced.

Good article, spoiled by a bad headline.

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Followup: http://ktla.com/2014/12/29/manhunt-underway-after-2-lapd-officers-ambushed-shot-at-in-south-la/

LAPD officers were in “heightened awareness mode,” Carranza said.

“The officers know to be aware of the environment and what is taking place nationwide,” she said.

Carranza added that officers were being deployed in two-person cars, and that the stations were taking precautionary measures.

“You will not see a Los Angeles police officer working alone,” she said.

Clearly the police think they are under attack.

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There are a lot of people in this thread who can't see the wood for the trees.

There You Go Again. Race Baitin'. Blaming Trees for ALL THE WOOD PROBLEMS. Deal Dose Race Cards Gal. NO CUT. Deal 'em.

Check.

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

White Lady In Body Armor Aims 9MM At Cops After Insane Car Chase, Doesn’t Get Shot ONCE

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White Lady In Body Armor Aims 9MM At Cops After Insane Car Chase, Doesn’t Get Shot ONCE

Beat me to it!

More white privilege..

White Lady In Body Armor Aims 9MM At Cops After Insane Car Chase, Doesn’t Get Shot ONCE

Perhaps cops in Chattanooga just don't shoot suspects http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2014/dec/30/police-charge-18-year-old-15-year-old-carjack/280252/?

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White Lady In Body Armor Aims 9MM At Cops After Insane Car Chase, Doesn’t Get Shot ONCE

Perhaps cops in Chattanooga just don't shoot suspects http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2014/dec/30/police-charge-18-year-old-15-year-old-carjack/280252/?

maybe they do Man Shot By Police Had 43 Bullet Wounds

guess what colour he was...

Edit: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/10630486/15-year-old-shot-by-cha-officer-laid-to-rest another one

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White Lady In Body Armor Aims 9MM At Cops After Insane Car Chase, Doesn’t Get Shot ONCE

Perhaps cops in Chattanooga just don't shoot suspects http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2014/dec/30/police-charge-18-year-old-15-year-old-carjack/280252/?

maybe they do Man Shot By Police Had 43 Bullet Wounds

guess what colour he was...

Edit: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/10630486/15-year-old-shot-by-cha-officer-laid-to-rest another one

Had to go back to 2009 huh? Guess what, in 2010 they changed the chief of police ...

Do you think policy might have changed?

Also one of your examples is not from the Chattanooga Police Department, but the Chattanooga Housing Authority.

You continue with comparing rutabagas and cantaloupes.

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White Lady In Body Armor Aims 9MM At Cops After Insane Car Chase, Doesn’t Get Shot ONCE

Perhaps cops in Chattanooga just don't shoot suspects http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2014/dec/30/police-charge-18-year-old-15-year-old-carjack/280252/?

maybe they do Man Shot By Police Had 43 Bullet Wounds

guess what colour he was...

Edit: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/10630486/15-year-old-shot-by-cha-officer-laid-to-rest another one

Had to go back to 2009 huh? Guess what, in 2010 they changed the chief of police ...

Do you think policy might have changed?

Also one of your examples is not from the Chattanooga Police Department, but the Chattanooga Housing Authority.

You continue with comparing rutabagas and cantaloupes.

I didn't have to look hard at all..and the Chattanooga Housing Authority Police Department are armed police so I am not sure of your point. I am also sure that it is great comfort to the families of these dead people that it happened soooooo long ago.

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So Clyde, do you believe that institutionalized racism exists?

Sorry Chris S, Reason, Statistics, Examples, etc etc etc Will Not Lead to Understanding.

Too Many Agendas for Any 'Conversations', nor Attitudes to Be 'Truth'.

Power Struggles and HuWoMan Natures Do Not Lead To Solutions.

Chris S, You Are Alone, In A World, Never to be of Your Liking.

Soon, We Both will be Looking Down On 'it' All, for As Long as This HuWoMan 'Experiment Lasts.

Well, Dr. HOHUM will be lookin' Up. Heinlein did reveal Hell 'is' a Much Nicer Place. heeeheeeheee.

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Also one of your examples is not from the Chattanooga Police Department, but the Chattanooga Housing Authority.

You continue with comparing rutabagas and cantaloupes.

I didn't have to look hard at all..and the Chattanooga Housing Authority Police Department are armed police so I am not sure of your point.

reminder ....
ES99 wrote:

me wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#Number_of_police wrote:

The 2012 Bureau of Justice Statistics' Census of State and Local Law Enforcement Agencies (CSLLEA), found there were 17,985 state and local law enforcement agencies employing at least one full-time officer or the equivalent in part-time officers.

And how many "reports" have you seen? 50% of departments? 10% of departments? 5% of departments? Or just enough to support your stereotype?

How about we start with the ones where it is such an issue that people have taken to the streets over it?

Different chief, different procedures, different officers, different policies, different training, different enforcement, but all you see is the word police and apply your stereotype.

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I have always found amusing , and worse, that people who REALLY Stereotype, always accuse others of the same.

There is a saying for that: Takes one ...

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Which race, if either, are more involved in burglary, murders/homicide, armed robbery etc.

IF it was to turn out that black people were more involved in all that than any others, that would tend to reinforce this view about black people. Then the question is why, is it just poverty or a mixture of factors? If the crime stats do not bear that out, then why do people think that the stats probably do? Then it would boil down to what ES99 is saying that there is this in-built endemic and institutional bias against black people, if that is true, why?

There is no point continuing to give examples to prove points, without examining why these situations and attitudes happen.

Hi Chris,

You raise an interesting point here, but careful examination of the statistics can shed some light on the matter.

To start, lets get a racial breakdown of the US population.

2013 US population (est.) : 316,128,839
White (non-Hispanic): 62.6% or ~ 197,897,000
Black : 13.2% or ~ 41,739,000
Hispanic : 17.1% or ~ 54,058,000

Source: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html


Persons at or below the poverty level (2009, most recent data):

White: 29,830,000
Black: 9,944,000
Hispanic: 12,350,000

Source: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0711.pdf

Now, let us choose a crime category and examine the breakdown:

Murder

Race, Ethnicity, and Sex of Victim by Race, Ethnicity, and Sex of Offender, 2013

[Single victim/single offender]

Race of victim --- Race of offender
------ White Black
White 2509 409
Black 189 2245

I have abbreviated this since 'Hispanic' is not a race but an ethnicity. Some data on Hispanics

Ethnicity of victim --- Ethnicity of offender
-------- Hispanic non-Hispanic
Hispanic 439 123
non-Hispanic 151 1671

Source: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

Ok, that is enough statistical data for now, but please go back and review expanded homicide data table 6 at your leisure. Lots of good information in that one.

Ok, time for some conclusions:

1. The number of murders done by blacks is way (on the high side) out of proportion to their share of the population.

2. Poverty does not seem to be the factor. There are more poor (below the poverty level) Hispanics than poor blacks, and WAY more poor whites than poor blacks. Yet, 2698 murders by whites, 2654 murders by blacks, and 590 murders by Hispanics. If poverty was the only issue, or even a major one, one would expect the number or murders by whites and Hispanics to be MUCH higher. They are not. Poverty is, at best, a minor issue.

3. In general, racial prejudice does not seem to be a major factor either, at least not racism by whites.
Whites killing blacks: 189
Blacks killing whites: 409

Non-Hispanics killing Hispanics: 123
Hispanics killing non-Hispanics: 151

The only statistical outlier here is blacks killing whites, and this set of numbers is dwarfed by whites killing whites, blacks killing blacks, and Hispanics killing Hispanics. If racial prejudice is a factor here, again (like poverty) it is a very minor one.


So, if it is not poverty or prejudice, what does that leave?

My personal theory: breakdown in the family unit. Yes, it is a disturbing trend across all communities, but it is painfully acute in the black community.

Lack of a traditional 'father' in-house leaves the children at a disadvantage in respect for authority, a lack of understanding that actions have consequences,

The mother has to then do 'double duty' and fill the father's role as well as her own. This leads to her being absent from home for long periods of time working 2 (or more) jobs so that she and her kids will have a roof over their heads and food to eat, and the other essentials. This means the kids all too frequently will not have enough supervision and motivation to do things like schoolwork.

It is somewhat of a self-inflicted downward spiral. How to fix it? I have no idea.

Majorkong, that is a cracking post and thank you for such a good thought out reply, well done. I need to have a careful read and respond back later.

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