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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Maybe this would solve a lot of problems, but then again, it could open up all sorts of situations... My faith leads me to believe that forced vasectomies are the way to go. I will never hire a man who has not had a vasectomy. He has a choice to go elsewhere of course, but if there is high unemployment and the choice is between starving and having a vasectomy, well, thems the breaks right? Serves him right for being poor and male. I will not even charge my employers for the vasectomies. My god tells me to do this. Reality Internet Personality |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
Before Obamacare Hobby Lobby was actually providing these contraceptives under their existing plan.Source? If that is true I smell agenda. My faith leads me to believe that forced vasectomies are the way to go.OMG obfuscate much? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
[quote] No matter how you twist it, just because something has human dna (such as my toenails) it doesn't mean it is yet a human. Your definition is simply wishful thinking. You have no idea what life is and is not. You are not equiped for this argument. Your toe nails have your DNA "ONLY". The zygote is a human being fully with a potential---to be. You are wholly ignorant of a thing called a fact here. I've asked you before how many pregnancies you've been through. I'll ask again. How many pregnancies have you been through that you feel so confident that you can expect a woman for whatever reasons to go through one when she doesn't want to? Play by the rules, or pay for not following them. Goes for both sexes... I can't imagine anything more inhumane and cruel. It certainly isn't in the best interests of any child that would be born. WTF are you talking about? You justify an act of what can only be called pure wickedness, because of your bizarre belief that a ball of cells is a person. If there was a god, I know whose side he'd be on on this. How do you know God has a sex such as male or female? Would you have proof of this? Please be forth coming... Let me know when your wife starts crunching. I really would like to hear if there really is no situation where she would rather die herself than go through an unwanted pregnancy. Which is what used to happen before woman were allowed control of their own bodies. LOL, my wife will not be at this site! She does not bother herself with the likes of you. She would pray for you---if you like? I know which side is morally right. I am sorry that all your so called christian beliefs never taught you right from wrong. :/ You have exchanged morals for ethics of the day. Note the difference carefully..., ...I have. Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
hmm..technically my dna, because I am a person despite being female, is a mix of my father's and my mother's. Just like the egg I came from.
What rules are those? And who decides them? You? I can't imagine anything more inhumane and cruel. It certainly isn't in the best interests of any child that would be born. Ahhh..and here we have the heart of the problem. I suspect you'd put more thought about whether to buy a dog than whether to bring a human being into the world. I guess I am more responsible than you.
Oh..you want proof when it comes to god? When did you change the rules??? LOL, my wife will not be at this site! She does not bother herself with the likes of you. She would pray for you---if you like? Oh please, I have lots of people praying for my soul already. She can join the crowd. I know which side is morally right. I am sorry that all your so called christian beliefs never taught you right from wrong. :/ You have exchanged morals for ethics of the day. Note the difference carefully..., ...I have.[/quote] Hmmm..through a very distorted blinkered lens. The problem is, whatever you feel about this, you don't have the right to with hold medical treatment from people based on your beliefs. Unless of course you are living under the new American Taliban. Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
You have no idea what life is and is not. You are not equiped for this argument. Your toe nails have your DNA "ONLY". The zygote is a human being fully with a potential---to be. You are wholly ignorant of a thing called a fact here. Hmm well, with modern science its possible to take the DNA of someones toenail and grow a human being out of it. Does that mean that all DNA material has now been upgraded to 'potential human'. Given that is a stretch. But, eggs and sperm are clearly full of potential human beings. All they need is to be matched with an egg and you have a human. So does that mean that masturbation, menstruation and even sex itself are wrong because they all represent potential humans gone to waste? |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
But, eggs and sperm are clearly full of potential human beings. All they need is to be matched with an egg and you have a human.Hobby Lobby has no problem paying for contraceptives. So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34830 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Clyde you're sounding very sexist to me especially seeing as Мишель is of our own gender. Clyde, you really need to take a good hard look at your assessments then as from here they look far from being correct ones. ;-) Cheers. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
But, eggs and sperm are clearly full of potential human beings. All they need is to be matched with an egg and you have a human.Hobby Lobby has no problem paying for contraceptives. So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic. The issue is the grounds that they were made exempt on. 1) It was based on bad science. 2) It gave corporations more rights than actual people 3) It opened the door for similar exemptions such as the one Мишель just mentioned. Reality Internet Personality |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!! CAN I STOP SHOUTING NOW!?! DID YOU HEAR ME!?! I'm going to have to agree with Batter up: "So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic." Please stop----you're hurting me... Come up to speed or please stop. It burns, it burns...... Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!! Oh good, you are finally getting it. So you agree its not actually human yet? Finally! CAN I STOP SHOUTING NOW!?! DID YOU HEAR ME!?! No, we're good. You've finally understood the difference between a person and a zygote. That took a while, but I think it was worth it in the end. Reality Internet Personality |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
So say you. Fortunately you are not the final word the SCOTUS are. Unless you want to call for a constitutional convention.But, eggs and sperm are clearly full of potential human beings. All they need is to be matched with an egg and you have a human.Hobby Lobby has no problem paying for contraceptives. So I'm confused by your statement as it is not germane to the topic. Fortunately Canadian's can't do that. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
And how would we type that? As POTENTIAL? Or, human life? It has a unique DNA human finger print. Human, homosapien, belonging to this unique human only. You have no right to terminate. Nor do you have the right to force someone who thinks like me to be involved in any way shape or form. It is murder without trial or cause. You have traded morals for the days ethics. I have noted... Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34830 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Most of us can move with the times I.D. even if you would like to live in the past. ;-) Cheers. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Now over 300 million must live with this Courts ruling. I'm Okay with it. And you will be too if you move to my Country. ;-) Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick... |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34830 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Me moving over there, or anywhere else, is never going to happen I.D. as I much prefer to stay here where things are much more sensible. ;-) P.S. No one could even pay me enough for me to even consider doing such a stupid thing. Cheers. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!! ID you closed your case. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!! Quite. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Corporations are just names, logos or brands. The problem with them is that they have their own rules & regulations. The people employed by them see them as gods & depending what country they are based in, serve their respective god diligently. The gods being £ $ € I think Tennessee Ernie Ford said it best... You load sixteen tons, and whattaya get? Another day older and deeper in debt St. Peter don'cha call me, cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
A ZYGOTE HAS THE 'POTENTIAL "TO BE" HUMAN'!!! I thought he'd never get there. Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
You're lucky, I'm still getting over the shock of that revelation! |
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