The act of science is questioning the existence of God. To me the question has been answered, yes there is a Causal Agent.

And there is more hard evidence for, then against.

So where is this evidence then.

Why don't you go and find the $1M, that I believe is, hidden in a cardboard box in your house.

Yes I.D. always says that he has "hard evidence", but he never produces any.

Intelligent Design is just like riding a merry-go-round, it just goes around in boring circles without getting anywhere.

Cheers.

Intelligent Design is just like riding a merry-go-round, it just goes around in boring circles without getting anywhere.

No it's more like to Foo Foo Bird who flies in dimishing circles until it vanishes into itself.

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The act of science is questioning the existence of God. To me the question has been answered, yes there is a Causal Agent.

And there is more hard evidence for, then against.

So list the "hard evidence" in favor of a causal agent. You always claim evidence for ID but seem loath to share it with us!
Plus science has nothing to say about whether god exists or not. There is no experiment or observation which can prove/disprove gods existence, and so science cannot be used to address this issue. The existence of god/causal agents and scientific enquiry do not overlap.

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We are both Atheists,

Doesn't being an atheist actually acknowledge something? Why be so emphatic about not believing in something? So you don't believe in god. What is this god you don't believe in?

From Wikipedia:

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist

So, no God's for atheists:)

I have been caught praying to the parking god.

Like I was saying to the God of traffic congestions the other day... ;)

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There is an old saying. 'There are no Atheist's in a foxhole'.

Saddam proved that when the rope was placed around his neck. He was not a religious man but his last words were there is no g-d but Allah and Mohamed is his profit.

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We are both Atheists,

Doesn't being an atheist actually acknowledge something? Why be so emphatic about not believing in something? So you don't believe in god. What is this god you don't believe in?

From Wikipedia:

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist

So, no God's for atheists:)

I have been caught praying to the parking god.

Like I was saying to the God of traffic congestions the other day... ;)

I will say the dumpster Gods have been kind on occasion.

All Hail Thor.

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We are both Atheists,

Doesn't being an atheist actually acknowledge something? Why be so emphatic about not believing in something? So you don't believe in god. What is this god you don't believe in?

From Wikipedia:

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist

So, no God's for atheists:)

I have been caught praying to the parking god.

Like I was saying to the God of traffic congestions the other day... ;)

I will say the dumpster Gods have been kind on occasion.

All Hail Thor.

Hail Thor! :)

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All I have seen was expected of you all, nothing new, move along people nothing to see at this car accident....

Do you ask for proof of a blackhole? Have you seen one? What is it that makes you believe that there is one at the center of our galaxy? How are you so damn sure there is such a thing as a blackhole? I have never seen one... By what right is such a thing even taught to our children in school? You cannot prove such a thing as a blackhole. Yet you fools believe in something that no one has ever seen, nor can prove. Prove it...

Have any of you ever seen Ab Lincoln? How do you know that he was a real person? Just because you have read about him in history books does not mean there ever was such a person as Ab Lincoln. Sure, we all know the stories about how he freed the black slaves from the greedy white cotton grower. BTW, the first slave was owned by another black man in this country, thought Id give you a heads up on that. Which leads me to believe that if such a thing as the first slave owner in my country was another black man, and this is not taught in our schools, why the hell should I believe the first president of the U.S. that came from my state of Illinois was even a real man in the first place? The history books have lied once, why would they not lie about there even being a president named Ab Lincoln? Prove it...


How the hell do you know for sure that there is such a thing a gravity? Perhaps the world sucks, ever thought of that? How are you going to prove that there is such a thing as gravity? There might be some other force at work here that you know nothing about. Just because you say there are only so many forces at work in the universe does not mean you have found all of them. Prove it...


I also don't see any proof of us ever being on the moon. Prove it...

Just because you think you have seen something does not mean you seen what you think you have seen. Ask any cop at a accident about what was seen and not seen.

"burden of proof"...

What do you think 12 who sit on a jury would say about the proof of the above problems? 12, normal, everyday people...

Proof #1,

Nothing happens by accident, so I believe. It is not mathematically possible for our universe to happen with all the variables (that we know of so far) so chance cannot enter as a factor. The time it would take for this universe to happen by chance is longer then the 13.7 billions years it has been around so far. I am more apt to just disappear from this rock and appear on the 4th one then a chance happening of our universe.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

All I have seen was expected of you all, nothing new, move along people nothing to see at this car accident....

Do you ask for proof of a blackhole? Have you seen one? What is it that makes you believe that there is one at the center of our galaxy? How are you so damn sure there is such a thing as a blackhole? I have never seen one... By what right is such a thing even taught to our children in school? You cannot prove such a thing as a blackhole. Yet you fools believe in something that no one has ever seen, nor can prove. Prove it...

Have any of you ever seen Ab Lincoln? How do you know that he was a real person? Just because you have read about him in history books does not mean there ever was such a person as Ab Lincoln. Sure, we all know the stories about how he freed the black slaves from the greedy white cotton grower. BTW, the first slave was owned by another black man in this country, thought Id give you a heads up on that. Which leads me to believe that if such a thing as the first slave owner in my country was another black man, and this is not taught in our schools, why the hell should I believe the first president of the U.S. that came from my state of Illinois was even a real man in the first place? The history books have lied once, why would they not lie about there even being a president named Ab Lincoln? Prove it...


How the hell do you know for sure that there is such a thing a gravity? Perhaps the world sucks, ever thought of that? How are you going to prove that there is such a thing as gravity? There might be some other force at work here that you know nothing about. Just because you say there are only so many forces at work in the universe does not mean you have found all of them. Prove it...


I also don't see any proof of us ever being on the moon. Prove it...

Just because you think you have seen something does not mean you seen what you think you have seen. Ask any cop at a accident about what was seen and not seen.

"burden of proof"...

What do you think 12 who sit on a jury would say about the proof of the above problems? 12, normal, everyday people...

Proof #1,

Nothing happens by accident, so I believe. It is not mathematically possible for our universe to happen with all the variables (that we know of so far) so chance cannot enter as a factor. The time it would take for this universe to happen by chance is longer then the 13.7 billions years it has been around so far. I am more apt to just disappear from this rock and appear on the 4th one then a chance happening of our universe.

This whole post really is a damming indictment of the US education system.

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Nothing happens by accident, so I believe. ...

Sorry, that is your own personal conjecture. Nothing more unless you can devise some way to "test" your conjecture in the real world to give a repeatable result.


So, my first test for you is to consider Quantum Theory and for how that describes our reality...


Keep searchin',
Martin

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... This whole post really is a damming indictment of the US education system.

Ouch!


I agree. And all rather a big ouch!

Keep searchin',
Martin

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Nothing happens by accident, so I believe. ...

Sorry, that is your own personal conjecture. Nothing more unless you can devise some way to "test" your conjecture in the real world to give a repeatable result.


So, my first test for you is to consider Quantum Theory and for how that describes our reality...


Keep searchin',
Martin

Prove Quantum ...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

... This whole post really is a damming indictment of the US education system.

Ouch!


I agree. And all rather a big ouch!

Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin please, are you sure he was educated in the US education system? Could he have been educated in the RCC system instead?

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more logical fallacy...

Congrats!

Have anything else?

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

... This whole post really is a damming indictment of the US education system.

Ouch!


I agree. And all rather a big ouch!

Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin please, are you sure he was educated in the US education system? Could he have been educated in the RCC system instead?

I've taught in plenty of RC Schools and they standard of education has been pretty good. They teach history and science. Even school kids in England know the full history of the US slave trade, yet he is claiming he doesn't.

Then there is the science...well..let's not go there.

If this is what is taught in ANY school in America then there really is a problem.

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Prove Quantum ...

That one is all around you and has passed all the tests thrown at it spanning a number of decades.

You might say that the LHC has tested the theory very many billions of times with complete success. And there is yet more to discover and build upon.


All by chance? Perhaps so being as that is the best description we have at present.

Can you really say anything better about our reality?...

Or anything that can be tested to be proven rather than your vague wish for "it to be so", Amen?


Keep searchin',
Martin

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... This whole post really is a damming indictment of the US education system.

Ouch!


I agree. And all rather a big ouch!

Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin please, are you sure he was educated in the US education system? Could he have been educated in the RCC system instead?

I've taught in plenty of RC Schools and they standard of education has been pretty good. They teach history and science. Even school kids in England know the full history of the US slave trade, yet he is claiming he doesn't.

Then there is the science...well..let's not go there.

If this is what is taught in ANY school in America then there really is a problem.

All I can tell you is what spews from his keyboard is not taught in the public schools in California. They do a very good job of teaching history and science. They even teach the double slit.

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Even school kids in England know the full history of the US slave trade,

Point of order; the US of A wasn't even a thought when the British brought slaves to the new world. If you think the US started the slave trade I must question the British education system.

History in 1807 the US barred the British from bringing more slaves to the US.

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i see no reason that a belief in one or many gods require that darwin

must be wrong. i also see no compelling reason why there must be a designer to

make the world work.

i think that the world is a pretty neat place with or without gods.

now most religions say god is all knowing all powerful and omnipresent.

if this is so then by definition god is unknowable.

if god is unknowable than than all religion claiming to know the word of god

have taken an awful lot of liberty with what is or isn't right in the eye's of god.
nothing in science that i am aware of precludes the the possibility of one or many gods, science has also not weighed measured or proved god or god's.

now for me i am not sure that i have faith in intelligent design and he posts here.
as to a designer who must by definition be unknowable i classify him or it as just that, and pending further information as well.

if there is a designer or not makes no difference.

and as to inditing the entire US school system that is unfair some of us managed

to drop out before it turned our minds completely to jelly, allowing us to

pursue independent study.]

all hail thor.

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Even school kids in England know the full history of the US slave trade,

Point of order; the US of A wasn't even a thought when the British brought slaves to the new world. If you think the US started the slave trade I must question the British education system.

There is no need to question it because I never claimed anywhere that the US started the slave trade.

History in 1807 the US barred the British from bringing more slaves to the US.

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