Stop Selling and Take Away All G U N s.

Then, The Beautifully Brilliant Minds of The Yank will Show Da Vrold How to do 'it' Better(heeeheeeheee) without 'em.

Man 'O Live. Oh dA Piles, dA Piles and Pieces, dA Pieces. Crazy? Oh Yeah.

Nuttin' Stops dA Nutter.

Oh, What A Future!

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Rather than be more famous for their achievements, the States are famous for just two topics that has caused more grief than anything else..

...Sex & Guns.

Guns & Sex, anyone see the similarities?

My gun is bigger than yours or...

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Now transfer that onto the international scene...

...no wonder the world is screwed up!

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Sharp shooter: Brooklyn teen gives NRA a smart lesson in gun control

That just goes to show that wisdom doesn't necessarily equate to 1's age (as obviously demonstrated here by some).

Cheers.

I think you have that backwards. With age comes wisdom. This little girl doesn't know what she's saying. She's just parroting liberals. If you look, you'll see a correlation between where liberals have taken over government and where the worst gun violence is.

Looked.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Don't you need to match that with a liberal/conservative map


Which to me suggests that people would be safer in a liberal state

Except, of course the figures don't back up your beliefs.

Even in Canada you have a greater chance of raising your social position.

Look up social mobility if you need more info.

Many of you in here will never understand...

why the U.S. represents an *exception* in world history.

Uhuh. Except that most of what you are going to say next is not true.

how the U.S. reversed the idea in history that a privileged few must rule over the majority by virture of being born in the right family.

the idea that no man is above another man.

Except it didn't. For one, when the constitution was written it was written by wealthy white males who owned a lot of ground. When they wrote that constitution, they meant the whole thing to basically only apply to other wealthy white males who owned a lot of ground. Women weren't included and black people/slaves most certainly were not included. And given the US's history with slavery we can clearly see that the idea that no men is above another man is far from universally accepted by Americans.

And the privileged few in the US shouldn't be the ones ruling? I suppose that is why there are political dynasties in the US. The Bushes, the Clintons, the Kennedy's and the many many smaller political dynasties that can be found at the state level. And the way the political system in the US works almost guarantees that candidates that have any real chance of success are either from rich families or who are so in debt with rich people that they might as well be puppets. Face it, the US is an Oligarchy which means its run by a few wealthy elites. Guess the US isn't that much of an exception.

that a system created to allow the best to rise to the top of each generation is what made this country a world leader.

HAH, your system does not ensure that at all. It gives rich people such a headstart that they actively need to want to fail before they do. Otherwise, they have almost guaranteed access to the best education in the US, the best healthcare and direct access to a network that will guarantee they end up at a job that will make them rich or powerful.

If your poor though? Well good luck, your screwed. You get bad education, bad access to bad quality healthcare, your more likely to get arrested and end up in the US's ever expanding prison system, or you have to work your ass off just to get at mid level position.

And what does the rest of the world do? Well, most industrialized countries pretty much guarantee their citizens to quality healthcare, a lot of them guarantee them to high quality education actually based on skills and not how much money they have because those education systems are subsidized and don't cost parents any money. In terms of quality of that education, its either just as good or better than the US (with the US scoring mediocre on everything).

You are no exception, you are average.

what "rule of law" means.

Don't make me laugh. The US government assassinates US citizens without giving them a fair trial first. And then there was the NSA, spying on US citizens and doing things that are definitely illegal. And then there is the history of lynching black people without trial and where the people responsible are left alone. No, the US quite often has some a pretty difficult time understanding the concept of 'rule of law'.

And if you really think that other countries do not understand what the rule of law means, the only thing that is exceptional here is your ignorance.

that allowing decisions which affect people's lives are best decided at the absolute lowest level.

Come to Europe and you will see the same.

that a system created to allow individuals to make decisions for themselves will always be better than a one-solution fits all by someone who claims to be smarter than others just because they went to an ivy league school.

And just a moment ago you were priding yourself and your country on how much it loves the rule of law. Laws are by definition limitations on what an individual is allowed to do and are generally one size fits all solutions for certain problems, generally thought up by people who went to ivy league schools.

that some will make better decisions for themselves than others and you can't force some people to do what some other people think they should do.

Its called the police and their sole job is to force people to not do certain things and punish those that still do.

the diversity which exists in the U.S.

Europe's official motto is 'United in Diversity'. Though I will admit, you guys did it earlier than Europe. So in that sense you were exceptional about 70 years ago. That has changed though, and now your diversity and multiculturalism is nothing exceptional at all. Its the new the standard in most countries.

the idea that with diversity comes a wider variety of ideas and a wider variety of solutions which fit different groups better than others.

Hahahaha, that is the funniest way I've ever heard someone describe slavery and structural racism.

that with freedom comes responsibility and people are generally happier if they are able to live with the decisions they make for themselves.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Adam Smith came up with that idea. And later on it was repeated by a bunch of Austrian economists as well.

that true happiness comes from success based on rugged individualism, free from the supression of those who claim to have more power than you, free from tyranny.

You sound like one of those 'sovereign citizens'.

that if you take away guns in the U.S., the PHYSICALLY STRONGER will rule over the PHYSICALLY WEAKER.

Really, take away citizens guns and suddenly the whole country will erupt in total anarchy? You have that much faith in the 'rugged individualism' of other people? You have that much faith in individuals deciding over their own lives?

Many of you in here live in countries which are not as diverse in culture as the U.S. Many of you in here live in countries which have accepted certain things in life for many generations. Many of you live in countries which have different ways of achieving societal equilibrium (edit: which will *not* work here in the U.S. no matter how hard you try). Many of you in here will never understand that the U.S. still has kids growing up being influenced by parents and grand-parents who knew what it was like to live when our federal government followed more of the rules agreed upon in the 18th century than they are following today. Many of you in here will never understand how this country was originally set up because you will refuse to listen for a variety of reasons which I will not list here.

And here I was thinking the New Deal was nothing like any of those rules agreed upon in the 18th century.

Centralizing all power and control of the U.S. into Washington DC will only lead to our downfall. But I guess that's what some of you want. And those of you who live in the U.S. don't know what you're asking for.

You go from gun control to centralizing power. Are you perhaps not aware that those are two completely different things? People no longer having guns does not mean that suddenly the American states are abolished and the Federal government starts to interfere in matters handled by city councils. You are making a leap of logic that makes absolutely no sense.

Stop looking at today's propaganda and *look* at history.

The only one who has demonstrated an atrocious understanding of his own countries history is you. I suggest you read up on your history before you suggest others do the same.

structural racism still exist in the U.S. and is not being prosecuted.

Texas for one.

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structural racism still exist in the U.S. and is not being prosecuted.

Texas for one.

And I'll reinforce that statement by saying daisies are yellow and white.

This is the sort of off topic remark I am not surprised by.
Guy you are capable of better than this but you choose the low road.
Crunch on

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And so does mine, I cite Texas voter regestration laws and the incredble gerrymandering that goes on there as two examples.

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Мишель, you're being contentious for the sake of stirring up trouble with me.

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You seem to think that of everyone who sees the world differently from you. Are you planning to enforce your world view with your gun? I am assuming that is what you plan to do, as you cannot convince people with the power of your arguments.

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cannot convince people with the power of your arguments.

Guy often makes unsubstantiated assertions IMO.

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1. You are not well read on the history of the U.S. Read the federalist papers.
2. Liberalism is actively moving people down the economic ladder here in the U.S. to make it easier for the ruling class to gain and maintain power.
3. Liberalism is destroying the rule of law here in the U.S.
4. I lived in Europe for 5 years. I know what's going on there.
5. Police do not force people to *do* things. (EDIT: When you force someone to do something, that's SLAVERY.)
6. There is still opportunity here in the U.S. You have to work harder for it these days because of liberalism.
7. Our ruling class is ignoring more and more of the "rule of law" we have these days because of liberalism.
8. Power is centralizing in Washington DC because of liberalism and because of that, they are now writing laws that are not practical and cannot be enforced.
9. Please tell me where slavery and structural racism still exist in the U.S. and is not being prosecuted.
10. Read the news and find the statistics on cities/counties/municipalities who've outlawed guns, what political party is doing it, and the crime statistic trends and then tell me what happens when you take guns away from law abiding citizens.
11. Yes, you are correct: the New Deal was nothing like any of those rules agreed upon in the 18th century.
12. No, you are wrong: gun control and centralizing power is the same thing.

1. Irrelevant. So people wrote a bunch of stories about how the constitution should be seen. It does not change the very obvious historical fact that America has never been a country where the idea that all men are equal to each other was universally accepted. Again, refer back to slavery and later on the Jim Crow laws and the continuing problem of racism. Had the US really been about equality, slavery would have ended right when the constitution was signed and ratified.

It also does not change the fact that men in that context literally means men and not women.

2. Define Liberalism and explain how it forces people into poverty.

3. Define Liberalism and explain how it 'destroys the rule of law'. Just because you say such things about Liberalism doesn't mean its actually true. So, time to make good on those claims and show is evidence.

4. No you don't. Europe is dozens of different countries. Living in one of those countries for 5 years is hardly enough time to understand how things work in that country, it most certainly is not enough time to understand how it works in the rest of Europe.

5. They do. Its called Law Enforcement for a reason. They force you to obey the law and if you break the law, they come after you. With deadly force if necessary. If you think that is slavery, you have no clue what slavery is.

6. No, there is no opportunity in the US and there never really was. The ones that started out small and ended up big are rare exceptions. But entertain me, explain how liberals are supposedly responsible for all of that.

7. You made that claim before. Evidence for that please.

8. Evidence please.

9. Everywhere. It happens everywhere. Racism is a deeply ingrained part of American culture. As a result, it cannot be effectively prosecuted, even if people wanted to.

10. People already did. Generally those cities are safer to live in. But I do see this claim come by a lot. That cities that have outlawed guns are supposedly murder hell holes. Why don't you find me the evidence that suggest that.

12. And how is that? Besides, if guns are the only thing that supposedly prevents power centralization it does already a poor job at it, given how you are constantly whining about how the Federal government is already centralizing power because of liberals, even when guns are still legal and pretty much every gun control measure fails to be turned into actual law.

Our constitution was written in a way to give the federal government extremely limited power, and the rest was reserved to the states, and to the people respectively. I understand this is a difficult concept for some who grew up and lived all their lives in smaller countries to understand. You may not realize this, but this created a very scalable country without worrying about it becoming too big to manage and losing it because of span of control. Washington DC cannot govern 310 million citizens effectively because it's too big of a span of control. What do you think the biggest reason is the Roman Empire fell? More recent: What do you think the biggest reason is for the dissolution of the USSR?

Centralized power and control leads to failure.

And you think the US is the only country that has discovered its easier to run a country when the central government doesn't control everything? The Netherlands has a central government, sure. But it is also divided in 12 provinces, who deal with matters that regard those provinces, and those provinces are also divided in municipalities, that deal with things inside their municipalities. The government in the Hague really only deals with matters that affect the entire country. And the Netherlands is not an exception in Europe. All European countries have central governments with limited power.

And really, if you believe Washington is trying to become like Moscow during the Soviet Union you are so far off.

Мишель, you're being contentious for the sake of stirring up trouble with me.

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You seem to think that of everyone who sees the world differently from you. Are you planning to enforce your world view with your gun? I am assuming that is what you plan to do, as you cannot convince people with the power of your arguments.

Your view is extremely Non-American.

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

It the rest of the World which believes in the Power of the Government Gun, and Control of the People.

The whole rest of the world eh? You seem to know startlingly little about the world outside US borders.

Most of us believe in this thing called democracy, where we chose our governments by voting for them and then abide by the wishses of the majority. Most of us don't take up guns and throw a tantrum when the majority doesn't want what we do.

Please stop imparting this primitive belief upon America.

Lovely straw man argument there. You claim we hold a belief that we don't, then call it primitive. Most of the rest of the world thinks that the US is the country with primitive attitudes.

Guy...

As I said before: The Non-American's in this discussion are completely ignorant of America. They are hopeless.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't an American? I am pretty sure that isn't true.

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...And really, if you believe Washington is trying to become like Moscow during the Soviet Union you are so far off.

Very silly, and very European.

Your comment is ignorant.

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Amazing, not one slender one amongst them!

Well, however heard of a slim politician?

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