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Message 1487550 - Posted: 11 Mar 2014, 23:10:46 UTC - in response to Message 1487131.  
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I don't have an angle, an angle is for those who think they know something so
follow it religiously without actually knowing if they are correct.
So... Yet more innuendo and bluster and nothing more tangible than random personal opinion (and personal attack rather than discussion).

Again: Care to explain what your clearly greater knowledge actually "is"?...

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Message 1487554 - Posted: 11 Mar 2014, 23:20:28 UTC

After HerHimaKaine KA Trina 97 Percent of 'ALL' The 'Climate Change' Brainiacs said 'WE Are IN fO 'IT', frOm('04) here On Out'.

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Message 1488311 - Posted: 13 Mar 2014, 13:13:00 UTC - in response to Message 1487550.  
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I don't have an angle, an angle is for those who think they know something so
follow it religiously without actually knowing if they are correct.
So... Yet more innuendo and bluster and nothing more tangible than random personal opinion (and personal attack rather than discussion).

Again: Care to explain what your clearly greater knowledge actually "is"?...

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You need to practice what you preach here Martin, not every one is sitting on
your side of the fence, time you came to terms with this. Widen your horizons
more and you will eventually get closer to what is actually going on.

Ahhh... You mean the financially motivated corruption and the planet be damned?


So... We can set in motion an industrial plan to go clean. However, that is going to be thwarted in the same ways that the Tobacco Industry have done their dirty tricks to keep people addicted to their profitably dirty stuff. All whilst needlessly destroying the planet.

Is that your armchair angle?


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Message 1488364 - Posted: 13 Mar 2014, 15:11:40 UTC - in response to Message 1488356.  


The Tobacco Industry?

Appears to be 'Throw enough s... on the wall, and something will stick'

VERY Scientific.

No, but the Tobacco industry has in many cases employed the same people responsible for the climate skeptic movement. And they most certainly use similar tactics when trying to convince the public and the politicians that the anti smoking people got it wrong when they say smoking kills.
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Message 1488379 - Posted: 13 Mar 2014, 15:52:09 UTC - in response to Message 1488356.  
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that is going to be thwarted in the same ways that the Tobacco Industry have done

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The Tobacco Industry?

Appears to be 'Throw enough s... on the wall, and something will stick'

VERY Scientific.

Yes, a very deny-everything response from an armchair view.


Just a very brief look-see shows:


State Department Keystone XL Study Done by Oil Industry-Connected Firm with Big Tobacco, Fracking Ties

... TransCanada Utilizes Tobacco Playbook in Hiring ERM Group...

... ERM: In-Service to Big Oil, like Big Tobacco...



About Those Tobacco Connections…

There’s chatter in the climate blogosphere about a new paper that claims the fiscally conservative movement in America known as the Tea Party has links to Big Tobacco. ...


The Heartland Institute

... In the 1990s, the group worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question serious cancer risks to secondhand smoke, and to lobby against government public-health reforms. More recently, the Institute has focused on questioning the science of human-caused climate change, and was described by the New York Times as "the primary American organization pushing climate change skepticism."...


Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Pollutocrat Kochs

A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene.

Far from a genuine grassroots uprising, this astroturf effort was curated by wealthy industrialists years in advance. Many of the anti-science operatives who defended cigarettes are currently deploying their tobacco-inspired playbook internationally to evade accountability for the fossil fuel industry’s role in driving climate disruption...



Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming

Merchants of Doubt was one of the most talked-about climate change books of recent years, for reasons easy to understand: It tells the controversialstory of how a loose-knit group of high-level scientists and scientific advisers, with deep connections in politics and industry, ran effective campaigns to mislead the public and deny well-established scientific knowledge over four decades. The same individuals who claim the scienceof global warming is "not settled" have also denied the truth about studies linking smoking to lung cancer, coal smoke to acid rain, and CFCs to the ozone hole. "Doubt is our product," wrote one tobacco executive. These "experts" supplied it...



Connected or not?...

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Message 1488647 - Posted: 13 Mar 2014, 23:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 1488311.  

I don't have an angle, an angle is for those who think they know something so
follow it religiously without actually knowing if they are correct.
So... Yet more innuendo and bluster and nothing more tangible than random personal opinion (and personal attack rather than discussion).

Again: Care to explain what your clearly greater knowledge actually "is"?...

All on our only planet,
Martin


You need to practice what you preach here Martin, not every one is sitting on
your side of the fence, time you came to terms with this. Widen your horizons
more and you will eventually get closer to what is actually going on.

Ahhh... You mean the financially motivated corruption and the planet be damned?


So... We can set in motion an industrial plan to go clean. However, that is going to be thwarted in the same ways that the Tobacco Industry have done their dirty tricks to keep people addicted to their profitably dirty stuff. All whilst needlessly destroying the planet.

Is that your armchair angle?


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Martin, utter bunkum....these sort of ramblings best left for the likes of the
Daily Mail to come out with.....certainly not here on Seti please.
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Message 1488658 - Posted: 13 Mar 2014, 23:54:03 UTC - in response to Message 1488647.  
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Ahhh... You mean the financially motivated corruption and the planet be damned?


So... We can set in motion an industrial plan to go clean. However, that is going to be thwarted in the same ways that the Tobacco Industry have done their dirty tricks to keep people addicted to their profitably dirty stuff. All whilst needlessly destroying the planet.

Is that your armchair angle?

Martin, utter bunkum....

Ahhh... So you claim that the Tobacco Industry have not done their dirty tricks and that similarly the Oil/Coal/Gas Industry are not now doing similarly dirty tricks to keep us all dirty to pollute our planet?...


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Message 1488661 - Posted: 13 Mar 2014, 23:58:49 UTC - in response to Message 1488659.  
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The Tobacco Industry?

Appears to be 'Throw enough s... on the wall, and something will stick'

VERY Scientific.

No, but the Tobacco industry has in many cases employed the same people responsible for the climate skeptic movement. And they most certainly use similar tactics when trying to convince the public and the politicians that the anti smoking people got it wrong when they say smoking kills.

Both sides can be accused of the same thing.

Except... Can you find any similarly sponsored 'dirt' for any respected climate scientists?

And in anything like the widespread FUD of the sponsored denial that is trying to trash all science?


What's the problem discussing the Science and Temperature Graphs?

Care to comment on Message 1487172 from recently in this thread?


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Message 1488664 - Posted: 14 Mar 2014, 0:02:47 UTC - in response to Message 1488659.  

Both sides can be accused of the same thing.

Clyde, somehow I find studies by NASA more compelling than the self serving tripe spewed forth the the Koch brothers and their ilk.
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Message 1488758 - Posted: 14 Mar 2014, 9:26:48 UTC
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Skeptical Science - How do we know more CO2 is causing warming?

@Chris,
A blog you might enjoy. Why climate change can never be ‘someone else’s problem’
a quick quote.
Another irony was the international consistency of climate change contrarian arguments; I might as well have been reading the usual suspects in the Guardian forums for all the difference I could detect. It seems that climate change denial is as globalised as everything else, despite their parochial observations to the contrary.
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Message 1489114 - Posted: 15 Mar 2014, 0:14:35 UTC - in response to Message 1488658.  

Ahhh... You mean the financially motivated corruption and the planet be damned?


So... We can set in motion an industrial plan to go clean. However, that is going to be thwarted in the same ways that the Tobacco Industry have done their dirty tricks to keep people addicted to their profitably dirty stuff. All whilst needlessly destroying the planet.

Is that your armchair angle?

Martin, utter bunkum....

Ahhh... So you claim that the Tobacco Industry have not done their dirty tricks and that similarly the Oil/Coal/Gas Industry are not now doing similarly dirty tricks to keep us all dirty to pollute our planet?...


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Bunkum with respect to the tangential response coming from you.
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Message 1489125 - Posted: 15 Mar 2014, 0:57:59 UTC - in response to Message 1489114.  

Ahhh... You mean the financially motivated corruption and the planet be damned?


So... We can set in motion an industrial plan to go clean. However, that is going to be thwarted in the same ways that the Tobacco Industry have done their dirty tricks to keep people addicted to their profitably dirty stuff. All whilst needlessly destroying the planet.

Is that your armchair angle?

Martin, utter bunkum....

Ahhh... So you claim that the Tobacco Industry have not done their dirty tricks and that similarly the Oil/Coal/Gas Industry are not now doing similarly dirty tricks to keep us all dirty to pollute our planet?...

Bunkum with respect to the tangential response coming from you.

Ahhh... So... Your armchair discussion is nothing more than a dismissive negative grunt.


Meanwhile, the world continues around you.

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Message 1489129 - Posted: 15 Mar 2014, 1:08:42 UTC - in response to Message 1488212.  
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Lessons From the Senate's Climate Change All-nighter

I'm amazed noone has commented on that! Or is all that just far far too far-out painfully embarrassing for everyone in the 'great' USA?


A few snippets from there for those too lazy to look:


When my colleagues and I finished our all-nighter on the Senate floor on Tuesday morning, we had spoken for more than 14 hours to draw attention to the threat posed by climate change. As we had hoped, we engaged the American people in our efforts to wake up the Congress to the threat of climate change.

Thirty-one Democratic and Independent senators participated in the event, including Majority Leader Harry Reid and his leadership team and senators from every region of the country. More than 145,000 people signed petitions to show support for urgent action on climate change...

What struck me while listening to the speeches of my colleagues were four extremely important points:

First, climate change is real and the deniers are losing ground...

... virtual certainty that the planet is warming due mainly to human activities which have increased the amount of carbon pollution in our air. The level of scientific certainty on man-made climate change is about the same as the consensus among top scientists that cigarettes are deadly.

An overwhelming majority of the American public recognizes that climate change is real and is happening now, and there is strong support for action to address this growing threat. ...

The special interests may have erected what my colleague, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), calls a special interest "barricade of lies" around the Capitol. But we are taking that barricade down, piece by piece.

Second, every state in the U.S. is already experiencing the effects of climate change...

... Climate change is real, and it is happening all around us -- from coast to coast.

Third, the solutions to climate change are good for our economy and good for our country.

The U.S. has proven you can continue to protect the environment and grow the economy...

Fourth, we cannot wait for countries like China to lead.

All you have to do is look at China to see what happens to your country when you throw the environment under the bus...

...For many years, our nation has shown great leadership on many important global issues, and we cannot wait for other countries like China to act on carbon pollution and climate change. What we do here in the United States has impacts around the world. When our nation reduces its carbon pollution, it makes a difference... We must take action now to avoid the worst impacts posed by dangerous climate change...




So, how to break down those polluting 'self-interest' political barricades sooner rather than expensively too late?


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Message 1489132 - Posted: 15 Mar 2014, 1:15:01 UTC
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Is this 'freaky' enough and violent enough to wake up the rest of the world?...


Eritrea: Hail storm dumps metre of ice on capital

A freak rain storm has dumped as much as 1m (3ft) of hail on Asmara, capital of Eritrea (AFRICA), in what appears to be the heaviest rainfall ever recorded there.

This week's storm lasted just 90 minutes, but afterwards parts of the city were completely blocked by ice...




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Message 1489142 - Posted: 15 Mar 2014, 1:34:53 UTC - in response to Message 1489132.  

Is this 'freaky' enough and violent enough to wake up the rest of the world?...


Eritrea: Hail storm dumps metre of ice on capital

A freak rain storm has dumped as much as 1m (3ft) of hail on Asmara, capital of Eritrea (AFRICA), in what appears to be the heaviest rainfall ever recorded there.

This week's storm lasted just 90 minutes, but afterwards parts of the city were completely blocked by ice...




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Message 1489180 - Posted: 15 Mar 2014, 4:24:33 UTC - in response to Message 1489132.  
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Is this 'freaky' enough and violent enough to wake up the rest of the world?...


Eritrea: Hail storm dumps metre of ice on capital

A freak rain storm has dumped as much as 1m (3ft) of hail on Asmara, capital of Eritrea (AFRICA), in what appears to be the heaviest rainfall ever recorded there.

This week's storm lasted just 90 minutes, but afterwards parts of the city were completely blocked by ice...




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Bit unusual for that much, but not unusual at this time of year, Spring or in Autumn for there to be very heavy hail storms. In the past 1950's when cars were not common, at the side of the road there were covered parking places. You do have to realise that Asmara is 7,500 ft up. Think Johannesburg, for the type of weather it has.

It's where I lived as a schoolboy. At first sign of rain we would dive into the nearest house or school building, just in case.
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Message 1489351 - Posted: 15 Mar 2014, 15:24:48 UTC
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95% of our Great Lakes frozen; in places up to 4 feet thick. Iceboating on the Hudson River probably 3000 miles from the North Pole. A good portion of my shrubs, herbs and bushes wiped out or partially dead from the cold and lingering icy weather this late winter/early Spring here in Tennessee.Please don't post that it's obvious that we are warming. You may possibly want to say that weather patterns are shifting and may well follow trends--cyclic or otherwise.
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Message 1489354 - Posted: 15 Mar 2014, 15:26:52 UTC

I don't think anywhere in the world its normal when it rains 3ft of ice. Snow, sure, but ice?

And its in Africa, not some country in the North.
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