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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Since "vouchers" haven't been implemented yet, no one really knows what they are. The leading hot air about them is to let a parent pull their child out of a public school and use the money that would have been spent in a public school as tuition at a private school. Of course that makes the public schools worse off and enriches private for profit corporations all on the taxpayers wallet. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
I'm All fO A System Dat Makes Brainiacs, likkkeee dA 'Ones' We Have Here. NOw, what System can Dooozzzzz Dat? How Much dA Individual, and How much dA System to be a Brainiac? All System? or All Individual? Combo? What Percent fO Each? Different fO Each, Ahem, Individual? Who Runs Da System? Now fO mO Dan 100 Years, Lots O Money and Brainiac Brains have been 'At' Dizzz 'Problem', and Sumtin' is STOPPING dA 'Progress' of Havin' a Brainiac Nation. SNORE ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ NEVER MIND. UNANSWERABLE. 'specially Since NO ONE 'SEES' dizzzzz Post. Too Much Brainiac, Too Much Money, and Too Many, ahem, Individual 'Problems' to Solve Dizzz mO fO. Da ONLY WAY, Izzz Ever Gots Straight AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAssssssssssss, wasZZZn to Bust My Butt, by Way of Brain Time. No Money, No System, No Teacher, Did 'it' fO Me. Hard Work. Likkkeee Workin' 3 Jobs, Sort of Thang. Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Since "vouchers" haven't been implemented yet, no one really knows what they are. Thanks Gary , That's what i thought it meant . Yes i agree it will make it harder for Public schools and take money away . Tony Abbott gave (allocate) $254,000,000 to the Catholic Church to preach the bible in schools ...........!!!! subsidising Private schools ....B/S i say bloody hippocrite's |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board:
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board: I'm sure you have missed a few. Before I go any farther, my fraternal lodge at the state level, operates http://www.rcskids.org/services/ I support this program. Let me tell a little story. Our campus, which started as an orphanage, does still have children where the system can't find foster parents. On a recent field trip for those kids down to the beach, one of the adults found out it was the 16th birthday of one of the kids. He snuck off and bought a birthday cake for him. When the kid got the cake he had a total meltdown. Crying like a baby. You see, this was the first birthday cake anyone had even given him and he is 16! Now you tell me how vouchers are going to fix this! Oh, for you teacher types, I believe we do have an opening if you are up to a huge challenge. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board: I agree, it is a huge challenge. While working on my Master's degree, I "stumbled" into a part-time position teaching at a community college (I did not go on for further graduate study immediately after that). My first full-time teaching job (while continuing part-time nights or weekend classes) was at a private school for emotionally disturbed teens. I left after 1.5 years. I watched a continuous string of faculty and staff leave before me and for a little while a colleague would e-mail me about who else left not long after I did. Unfortunately, I believe the bigger problem was inconsistency on the part of administration, making it difficult for us to work with the students in a consistent way (despite their constant claims that ALL of the students there were there due to inconsistencies in parenting). |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Learning 'is' Hard Work during 'Best' 'Conditions'. 'Higher' Species, namely Homo Sapiens, are 'Naturely' 'Lazy' and Will Take Advantage of 'Adverse' Social 'Conditions' to 'Skate' Through 'Hard' 'Work', of Any Kind, especially School 'Work'. Most of Students when in A Classroom Afflicted by The Long List of 'Conditions', will use These 'Opportunities' to DO LESS than they are Capable Of. Decreasing Expectations then are 'Normal' for All Students and Certainly of Any with Innate 'Abilities' or Predilection for 'Hard' 'Work', thus, not leading to Acceptable Levels of 'Learning' and Certainly any Excellence, for Any Students. Of Course, Any 'Sparking to Fire' any Students Suppressed by Any of Long List's 'Negatives' 'is' Quite Impossible. All Students Suffer, except for An Occassional 'Super' Kid. School needs to be Where Students can Leave Negatives Behind, at least for 6 to 8 Hours. However, As Long List of Negatives and 'History' has shown, this 'Positive' 'World' seldom works. Battle for BRAINIAC Nation 'is' A mO fO. Society 'is' not Up to 'it'. yO? Yep. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board: Yes, government administration, with the election of extreme right or left wing idiots with an agenda, other than education, is one of the biggest problems. Citizens United is not going to help. As to Es's list, it applies in Beverly Hills as much as an inner city slum. Some people should not be given a permit to breed. Oh, wait, there is no test or requirement for that is there? But society, the taxpayer, has to foot the bill when the predictable worst happens. Sigh. Do you think society should attempt to educate everyone or should we pick a privileged class -- call them voucher kids -- and only educate them? We can make it hard to apply and put all kinds of arbitrary barriers up just to be sure the voucher kids are from the right kind of people. After all the non-voucher kids will be just fine and not have to apply for welfare with their substandard education. It will be less expensive by far .... Thanks, Sarge. I know you understand. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board: Well vouchers will mean that those families who don't want to have their kids in classroom where the teacher is trying to cope with all these problems can up and take their kids elsewhere. So it doesn't make the schools better, it just moves the problem about and gives the illusion that those schools that don't accept 'problem' children are somehow better schools. I think the solution is stop bashing teachers for not being able to fix the ills of society, even though we do our damn best to do so. I can relate to your cake story. I have seen and done similar things, I still remember doing things like taking a students shoes and glueing them back together half-way through a lesson. I've bought them lunch, as have many other teachers. Every day I saw teachers do such acts of kindness. Reality Internet Personality |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Here are some of the more common barriers to learning that I have come across in my years of teaching. Some are related to poverty and some are across the board: The admin I am referring to was the small admin group of the school, not feds. As for feds, I wish I could say where I'm at. I understand, to a degree, the calls for limited government, as from the LP. You subscribe to a brand of libertarianism, correct? When I mentioned force earlier, I didn't mean deadly force. I know some libertarians would not accept the enforcement of what you mentioned earlier via the force of the tax code. So, if I am understanding you correctly enough, this is why you and I or you and Es or Es and I can ever understand anything the other says at all; because we are not ideologues. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The admin I am referring to was the small admin group of the school, not feds. Didn't mean the feds as much as local school boards, the place where politicians in training start ... Oh, I know they are "non-partisan" but the last local election brought nearly 3 inches thick stack of vote for me and the other guy is mud mailings. Despite it being "non-partisan" nearly every one of them had a party endorsement on it. Unfortunately they were even thickness piles, so my voting rule, vote for the candidate sending the least as he has less special interest bribe money behind him, failed. I had to engage the backup plan and it was tails. Yes, libertarianism, but a pragmatist as well, because I know utopias don't work. And we do understand each other, well, as much as a conversation via printed word devoid of facial expressions and inflection allows. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Pitty on education from 5 - 18 there is not a bipartisan approach from Fedral , State and Local departments . It's the Kid's that suffer and later on we all suffer as they get older and there lives fail . In business you have to spend money to make money , well Education is the best way to invest in your country , of else anything that the government spends money on. I hate it when it's politicized , we have the experts and we should be using there advised . AKA: Australia's GONSKI Report for Australian Education system now dropped by the Liberal Party . The IDEOLOGY needs to be taken out off it . Private ver's Public , and wealthy people need to SHUT THERE MOUTH there a minority |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I'm telling you that the choice system, be that Vouchers or otherwise creates sink schools. So lets take an example, say my niece, who was in a neighbourhood that was only served by sink schools. All the nice kids had fled and filled up the good schools, and because she was late enrolling she ended up in a sink school. So according to you, she didn't matter. She was just one of the ones left behind by all the other choosers. She got violently assaulted and traumatised by another pupil in her class. In the end my sister had no 'choice' but to pull her out of the school and send her to live with her dad for a while. So that is what 'choice' did for my niece. I'm not impressed. It was a disaster for all those kids that couldn't choose. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Are you telling her children to 'Drop Dead', awaiting an improvement to Public Schools. Then it will be to late to help her children. The needs of the many outweigh, the needs of the few, or the one. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Are you telling her children to 'Drop Dead', awaiting an improvement to Public Schools. Then it will be to late to help her children. Except in a system that gives choice, you only serve the wants of the few. Choice costs money and the only ones that can afford choice are the people with a large and stable enough income. And those people are getting increasingly rare. Furthermore, this promotes the division of society. If rich people can essentially live their life avoiding all the unpleasant bits caused by poverty, they will be less likely to give a damn or understand that there even is a problem. I mean, what does poverty mean to someone who grows up in a gated community, going to one of the better schools and only interacting with people who have a similar socio-economic background? Its just something they read or hear about on the news. But it will remain an entirely abstract problem in their heads for most of their life. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Still doesn't answer the question, of course. Well, what would you tell the parents of children who, in a free choice system, would see the school they send their children too turn into sinkholes, and who don't have the money to send their child to a better school? In either system, some people are going to be stuck sending their kids to sub optimal schools. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Are you telling her children to 'Drop Dead', awaiting an improvement to Public Schools. Then it will be to late to help her children. Your more recent quote is of Gary, but I don't think that's who you're responding to. That or you're not seeing his point on this topic. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Are you telling her children to 'Drop Dead', awaiting an improvement to Public Schools. Then it will be to late to help her children. Correct, or as we recently mentioned about ideologues? |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Individual choice, It is not Choice Clyde it's stealing from the poor to allow a small percentage of rich people to pay less for there education . It's a bloody con. If the well off wish to send there kids to PRIVATE school then they should pay for the whole thing and not expect the masses to subsidise them . And seeing as the wealthy don't pay there fear shear of taxes anyway . WAKE UP MATE Look at what your student loans are doing it's effecting your economy because people arn't able to buy stuff because they have $100,000 debts around there neck as a minimum hell you had a senate report about what it's doing not that long ago . Remember Einstein failed high school so private schools don't mean you will be a genious and 1/2 of all the things that have been invented have been invented by high school drop outs or poor people . |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... More Than 40% of Low-Income Schools Don't Get a Fair Share of State and Local Funds, Department of Education Research Finds "The analysis of new data on 2008-09 school-level expenditures shows that many high-poverty schools receive less than their fair share of state and local funding, leaving students in high-poverty schools with fewer resources than schools attended by their wealthier peers. The data reveal that more than 40 percent of schools that receive federal Title I money to serve disadvantaged students spent less state and local money on teachers and other personnel than schools that don't receive Title I money at the same grade level in the same district." So you'd be wrong about that. Reality Internet Personality |
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