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Message 1492871 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 20:49:24 UTC

My relationships don't usually get far enough to break up...

If maturity means forming an attachment with someone you think is wonderful, who later turns out not to be wonderful, leading to inevitable strife and heartache through a protracted break-up/divorce, then count me out!
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Message 1492874 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 20:55:20 UTC - in response to Message 1492871.  

My relationships don't usually get far enough to break up...

If maturity means forming an attachment with someone you think is wonderful, who later turns out not to be wonderful, leading to inevitable strife and heartache through a protracted break-up/divorce, then count me out!

No, maturity means being able to pick someone who you can form a partnership with and know when to put their needs first and when to put yours first.

People can pretend to be wonderful and then you find out later that they were hiding their true selves and they weren't the person you thought they were. Maturity is recognising when that is happening and when you're not being honest with yourself at the beginning.

It is hard to find the person who is right for you until you have a better understanding of who "you" is.
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Message 1492877 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 21:01:34 UTC - in response to Message 1492875.  

I made a statement here some years ago that the happiest marriages or relationships I knew, was where the man was 4 or 5 years older than the woman, and the dominant personality in a ratio of 55/45%. I believe I was roundly criticised for that, and probably will be again.

I guess my marriage is doomed by your reckoning.
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Message 1492880 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 21:11:28 UTC
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So by avoiding lasting relationships i can avoid that possibilty of someone not turning out to be how i thought. Sounds good to me.

That's my relationship plan and it works well for me. I don't expect it to work for everyone.
If other people want to do things differently then fair enough and good luck to them. To each their own.

I don't mistreat women in any way that i'm aware, and i hope they'd point it out if i did so i could correct my behaviour. I still believe in fairness and other such adjectives. I just don't want to make life unnecessarily hard for me or another.
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Message 1492881 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 21:17:27 UTC - in response to Message 1492880.  

So by avoiding lasting relationships i can avoid that possibilty of someone not turning out to be how i thought. Sounds good to me.

That's my relationship plan and it works well for me. I don't expect it to work for everyone.
If other people want to do things differently then fair enough and good luck to them. To each their own.

I don't mistreat women in any way that i'm aware, and i hope they'd point it out if i did so i could correct my behaviour. I still believe in fairness and other such adjectives. I just don't want to make life unnecessarily hard for me or another.

LOL. I was avoiding relationships for a while, sometimes it is what you need. There seems to be some stigma in being single that I don't understand. I was quite happy when I was single. There were lots of advantages. I think it is when people feel they would rather be in a bad relationship than none at all that the real mistakes get made. Just be careful you aren't playing the my way or the highway game like the scuzball politician that started this debate.

I lived with Mr 99 for 4 years before I consented to marry him, so I was pretty sure we had it worked out by then.
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Message 1492885 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 21:30:06 UTC - in response to Message 1492833.  

It just seems to me that these days, a lot of people would just rather cohabit, and at the first hint of discord just go their own separate ways.

<-- Exhibit A

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This lasted 24.5yrs until she sadly departed this world.

Kay thought about marriage, but after her previous messy 1 it didn't happen and we were happy enough together without it.

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Message 1492920 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 22:42:52 UTC - in response to Message 1492918.  

That is quite different Wiggo, the age group you are in goes for long term relationships, and sometimes the second time rounders do decide that just being together is enough without a piece of paper to prove it. Perhaps I should have said

It just seems to me that these days, a lot of the younger under 30's would just rather cohabit, and at the first hint of discord just go their own separate ways.

No doubt that will get me into trouble now ....

What age should people settle down and get committed for life?
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Message 1492923 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 22:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 1492918.  

That is quite different Wiggo, the age group you are in goes for long term relationships, and sometimes the second time rounders do decide that just being together is enough without a piece of paper to prove it. Perhaps I should have said

It just seems to me that these days, a lot of the younger under 30's would just rather cohabit, and at the first hint of discord just go their own separate ways.

No doubt that will get me into trouble now ....

Maybe you should change that too, the younger under 25's. ;-)

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Message 1492925 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 22:46:50 UTC


What age should people settle down and get committed for life?

It actually seems to be getting older these days Es.

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Message 1492928 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 22:49:28 UTC - in response to Message 1492918.  


It just seems to me that these days, a lot of the younger under 30's would just rather cohabit, and at the first hint of discord just go their own separate ways.

No doubt that will get me into trouble now ....
Still me, just.
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Message 1492935 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 23:04:44 UTC

Between me, my younger brother and baby sister, none of us has ever been married though they are still in their long term relationships (I just happened to be the last 1 to form 1).

These days it seems to me that most young people more prefer to get their professions well and truly on solid foundations 1st (while still having fun) before considering long term relationships.

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Message 1492966 - Posted: 21 Mar 2014, 23:39:57 UTC - in response to Message 1492831.  

I see it as not unreasonable for a man to expect his wife to sleep with him occasionally. Not at all hours of the day or when circumstances make it undesirable (headache etc), but if she never does i can't blame him for going elsewhere. (P.S. I never said rape)

Actually I think failure to have enough sex is grounds for divorce. And honestly, if two people have such different expectations of how their relationship with each other should look like, then why the hell are they married in the first place?

But in any case, it does not mean that no means yes once you are married.
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Message 1492983 - Posted: 22 Mar 2014, 0:14:11 UTC - in response to Message 1492973.  
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Actually I think failure to have enough sex is grounds for divorce.

You seriously mean that?

I know there have been cases where one partner argued that the other failed to perform his/her duties as husband/wife by not having sex with the other. And that judges felt that this was a valid reason for allowing the divorce to go through.

And yes, I happen to agree with that line of reasoning. It is clear that in such cases there is a massive expectation gap between the two and that such a relation is doomed to fail. Honestly it makes me wonder why those people got married to begin with. Better to get a divorce and separate in relative peace than get stuck in a toxic relation that makes no one happy.
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Message 1493332 - Posted: 22 Mar 2014, 12:22:06 UTC

Why one should not read the "Daily Mail"

On Monday the BBC Newsnight program invited two women scientists to help explain the discovery of primordial gravitational waves announced that morning, the response in the Daily Mail was disgusting.

UCL calls out Daily Mail for complaining that women of colour can’t be scientists

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Scientist (PhD in astrophysics) shocked by reference to her ethnicity as Daily Mail accused of insulting female experts on Newsnight

And Chris pokes fun a people who read the Guardian. I could link to other news sites but you would require paid subscriptions to read them, so I don't.
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Message 1493788 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 1:05:54 UTC

The Pope has finally announced the names of 1st people to head a commission into sex abuse by members of the Catholic Church.

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/pope-outlines-sex-abuse-commission/story-e6frfkui-1226862334519

POPE Francis has named the initial members of a commission to advise him on sex abuse policy, tapping lay and religious experts - and an Irish woman assaulted as a child by a priest - to start plotting the commission's tasks and priorities.

The eight members, four of them women, were announced on Saturday after Francis came under fire from victims' groups for a perceived lack of attention to the abuse scandal, which has seriously damaged the Catholic Church's reputation around the world and cost dioceses and religious orders billions of dollars in legal fees and settlements.


About time to.

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Message 1493822 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 2:22:52 UTC - in response to Message 1493788.  

The Pope has finally announced the names of 1st people to head a commission into sex abuse by members of the Catholic Church.

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/pope-outlines-sex-abuse-commission/story-e6frfkui-1226862334519

POPE Francis has named the initial members of a commission to advise him on sex abuse policy, tapping lay and religious experts - and an Irish woman assaulted as a child by a priest - to start plotting the commission's tasks and priorities.

The eight members, four of them women, were announced on Saturday after Francis came under fire from victims' groups for a perceived lack of attention to the abuse scandal, which has seriously damaged the Catholic Church's reputation around the world and cost dioceses and religious orders billions of dollars in legal fees and settlements.


About time to.

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Heartily agree with you Wiggo. I must say Pope Francis does seem to believe in trying to put right a lot that has been wrong with Vatican policy over the last few decades. I can't imagine it's very easy at times. Thanks for the link :) it will be an interesting story to follow.
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Message 1493829 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 2:34:47 UTC


Heartily agree with you Wiggo. I must say Pope Francis does seem to believe in trying to put right a lot that has been wrong with Vatican policy over the last few decades. I can't imagine it's very easy at times. Thanks for the link :) it will be an interesting story to follow.

Yes, it's just a shame that his predecessors didn't start the ball rolling.

ATM we're having a Royal Commission into institutional child sex abuse here,

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/,

and what's coming out of that in the news here is just beyond belief.

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Message 1493837 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 2:57:47 UTC - in response to Message 1493829.  


Heartily agree with you Wiggo. I must say Pope Francis does seem to believe in trying to put right a lot that has been wrong with Vatican policy over the last few decades. I can't imagine it's very easy at times. Thanks for the link :) it will be an interesting story to follow.

Yes, it's just a shame that his predecessors didn't start the ball rolling.

ATM we're having a Royal Commission into institutional child sex abuse here,

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/,

and what's coming out of that in the news here is just beyond belief.

Cheers.



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Message 1493963 - Posted: 23 Mar 2014, 11:21:07 UTC - in response to Message 1493961.  

Yep!

Gang Girls leading desperate lives

Doesn't say much for the male species does it?
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