TBar wrote:

This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)

It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

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TBar wrote:

This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)

It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

Take all your concern over some arbitrary numbers, plus a few 100 billion of those arbitrary numbers, and see what they will buy you. I'm afraid they won't buy much, and they certainly won't help you find ET any faster. I'm here for results, which means completing as many units as my means will allow. If I could afford it, I would buy the latest and greatest gear and not worry about any associated cost. I certainly wouldn't worry about some arbitrary number someone decided to 'grant' me. Those numbers will not help you in your final quest. I'm here to find results, not to amass some useless number. I'm sorry if your goal is not the same.
Have a good day.

I am not transferring any work around between CPU and GPU.
All 9 rigs are running, have all run out of GPU work, and a least a few have also crunched up all the CPU work they had.
So, it would be pretty pointless to transfer CPU work to the GPUs just to run out a little faster...LOL.

I'll be letting them idle hoping to get some more Seti work today and tomorrow, and then the kitties will open up the GPUs to Einstein during the weekend power repair outage.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

I have my machines in full backup project mode with Primegrid at 0% resource.

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I guess I'm kind of glad I have a non-GPU machine. I had a full 10-day cache even with the limits, so I should have enough work to last until the 10th. I just went ahead and suspended network activity anyway. I'll wait until after the scheduled down-time to report and upload.

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Linux laptop:
record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)

I have my machines in full backup project mode with Primegrid at 0% resource.

Three of my faster machines have already failedover to Prime. Not sure when. I haven't been checking on things with the holidays & such. However most of my machines are still sporting a 5-7 day cache. As they are rather slow.

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What machine needs to be running to allow reports for completed tasks? Over 90% of my machine's caches are empty and I have over 14,000 tasks that are uploaded but stay at "Ready to report".

Edit: of course as soon as I posted this the "scheduling server" (Synergy) switched to running and my machines started reporting all their completed task.

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TBar wrote:

This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)

It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

Take all your concern over some arbitrary numbers, plus a few 100 billion of those arbitrary numbers, and see what they will buy you. I'm afraid they won't buy much, and they certainly won't help you find ET any faster. I'm here for results, which means completing as many units as my means will allow. If I could afford it, I would buy the latest and greatest gear and not worry about any associated cost. I certainly wouldn't worry about some arbitrary number someone decided to 'grant' me. Those numbers will not help you in your final quest. I'm here to find results, not to amass some useless number. I'm sorry if your goal is not the same.
Have a good day.

As I understand this, you have a bunch of CPU tasks and you're out of GPU tasks, and you want to reassign the CPU tasks to the GPU so they'll get done faster. What's the point? Let's say you have 80 hours' worth of work and you transfer it and it gets done in 12 hours instead, but the servers are still down and you still can't get any more work? What have you gained? Nothing that I can see.

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David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.

TBar wrote:

This part, Try NOT to use it, unless there is no other way.
I would consider being completely out of nVidia tasks for over half a day "no other way". This will be listed under "Anonymous Platform", which as far as I know, is wide open. If you can construct an App that preforms 10x better than the stock App, go for it. Just imagine I've spent scads of money on the latest Intel i9000 processor, I'm using a proto App, and it's cooking with gas. Seems to be a lot of concern over credits....

Just remember, Fred's comments were before the unrealistic Limits were imposed. Allotting just 100 units to the much faster GPUs is not realistic. I wouldn't be attempting this if my GPU hadn't have run out of tasks in less than half a day while the CPUs have days worth of tasks left. Maybe a more realistic allotment is in order? I would like to see at least 100 per GPU/Platform. This machine also has an AMD card which was fortunate enough to be working APs when the lights went out. It is just now approaching 50% cache. 100 for the nVidia card, 100 for the AMD, or 100 for each GPU. Then people such as myself wouldn't be involved in such endeavors. :-)

It's the point of view ..

For you - if you reschedule WUs around in BOINC - your PC can crunch a few minutes/hours longer/faster SAH WUs.
But then, all WUs calculated, no new WUs from SAH?
Maybe for you it's OK to get less Credits for the results.
This is your decision.

Other members/your wingmen look to their online overviews and are confused why a few results get less Credits - than normally.
It's not their decision.
They need to tolerate it because someone other rescheduled WUs in his BOINC?
They get less Credits. This is fair?

I used the BoincRescheduler tool before 'CreditNew'.
Since then never again, because I think it's not fair towards my wingmen.

For a long time I had EMail contact with the SETI@home Director Dr. David P. Anderson and he said:
'Since the new Credit System 'CreditNew' you shouldn't longer use a reschedule tool for to send CPU WUs to GPU or GPU WUs to CPU.'


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

Take all your concern over some arbitrary numbers, plus a few 100 billion of those arbitrary numbers, and see what they will buy you. I'm afraid they won't buy much, and they certainly won't help you find ET any faster. I'm here for results, which means completing as many units as my means will allow. If I could afford it, I would buy the latest and greatest gear and not worry about any associated cost. I certainly wouldn't worry about some arbitrary number someone decided to 'grant' me. Those numbers will not help you in your final quest. I'm here to find results, not to amass some useless number. I'm sorry if your goal is not the same.
Have a good day.

As I understand this, you have a bunch of CPU tasks and you're out of GPU tasks, and you want to reassign the CPU tasks to the GPU so they'll get done faster. What's the point? Let's say you have 80 hours' worth of work and you transfer it and it gets done in 12 hours instead, but the servers are still down and you still can't get any more work? What have you gained? Nothing that I can see.

Except that just as my nVidia card finished the last non-vlar, the servers came back up and now it is back to working 609s without losing a beat. I still had over half a days worth of vlars I was about to begin with the CPUs. As I see it, there was a point. I actually had done the math and considered the servers coming back up today a strong possibility. Years ago, when it wasn't really needed, Fred constructed an App to do basically what I had done. Why did Fred construct such an App back before the current Limits? What do you suppose was his motivation? I wasn't aware this project was filled with as many credit junkies as it appears to be. The last time I worked SETI all that mattered was Units completed and Hours spent. Maybe this project should revert to it's original intent.

The crickets live!

And have you seen the numbers of results ready to send?

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David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.

My 303 reports spread across here an Beta disappeared in a flash!!

Unfortunately here has "No tasks available"

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My 303 uploads spread across here an Beta disappeared in a flash!!

Unfortunately here has "No tasks available"

All my machines managed to report just after 1700 UTC but only two were able to get any new tasks before a tap was turned off somewhere.

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My 303 uploads spread across here an Beta disappeared in a flash!!

Unfortunately here has "No tasks available"

All my machines managed to report just after 1700 UTC but only two were able to get any new tasks before a tap was turned off somewhere.

None of mine asked for anything, but I realized one had a bunch of ghosts. I suspended Einstein on that one, then did another Seti update and they were resent.

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David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.

As I understand this, you have a bunch of CPU tasks and you're out of GPU tasks, and you want to reassign the CPU tasks to the GPU so they'll get done faster. What's the point? Let's say you have 80 hours' worth of work and you transfer it and it gets done in 12 hours instead, but the servers are still down and you still can't get any more work? What have you gained? Nothing that I can see.

Well, processing power is made available sooner to other projects. If you care about such things.

The crickets live!

And have you seen the numbers of results ready to send?

"Results ready to send 4,738,529" [George Takei]Oh my.[/George Takei]

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The WEB page is reporting "Results ready to send 4,743,749" but I have over a hundred systems that only get
"1/2/2013 1:24:47 PM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available".
Even if I query from the same server every 15 seconds I can not get any tasks. I never get the message that the request was too recent.

Anyone have an explanation or what I need to change?

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The WEB page is reporting "Results ready to send 4,743,749" but I have over a hundred systems that only get
"1/2/2013 1:24:47 PM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available".
Even if I query from the same server every 15 seconds I can not get any tasks. I never get the message that the request was too recent.

Anyone have an explanation or what I need to change?

The work requests are fulfilled by the feeder. Which only holds a few hundred at a time. It also only refills every so few seconds. Originally I think it was 100 tasks every 60 seconds, but it has been estimated that it has to be much higher and faster these days.

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SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours
Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[

The WEB page is reporting "Results ready to send 4,743,749" but I have over a hundred systems that only get
"1/2/2013 1:24:47 PM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available".
Even if I query from the same server every 15 seconds I can not get any tasks. I never get the message that the request was too recent.

Anyone have an explanation or what I need to change?

The work requests are fulfilled by the feeder. Which only holds a few hundred at a time. It also only refills every so few seconds. Originally I think it was 100 tasks every 60 seconds, but it has been estimated that it has to be much higher and faster these days.

The crickets seem to have reached a plateau, which is slightly but significantly lower than the pre-crash plateau.

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David
Sitting on my butt while others boldly go,
Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.

The crickets seem to have reached a plateau, which is slightly but significantly lower than the pre-crash plateau.

"slightly but significantly" Is that like jumbo shrimp? :p

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"Life is just nature's way of keeping meat fresh." - The Doctor

From a quick glance over the the above posts am I correct in assuming the situation can be summarized as follows:

There are plenty of work units to send, but they are not getting sent. (For whatever reason.)

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Foamy is "Lord and Master".
(Oh, + some Classic WUs too.)