And save your questions about why I believe so.......

It's just meows all the way down.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

ID, it is clear that you do not understand Borel's law of large numbers as applied to random chance and infinity. Borel stated that as long as a probability exists and given an infinite number of attempts the event will occur! At least that is what the link you cited states.

You are right, he hasn't a clue about mathematics. He does state he doesn't understand it, which is obvious. It is obvious he doesn't believe wiki, you or I, but I am sure he believes in his God. Perhaps he will take a class in probability and statistics or calculus, open his mind and learn.

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NARW?

No Absolutes, Rights, or Wrongs. I've explained this before. I've shortened it to an acronym to make it easier on me.

You will get asked it again I'm sure.

So fast typing is more important to you than being sure you are understood ...

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ID, it is clear that you do not understand Borel's law of large numbers as applied to random chance and infinity. Borel stated that as long as a probability exists and given an infinite number of attempts the event will occur! At least that is what the link you cited states.

The link I posted was Borel's Law. Correct? Yes, yes it was.That's a one in one chance. It is what I posted. No gray in that fact, it's black and white.

Then I posted , rather, reposted what someone else wanted us all to see. It's called hyperreal. Was that what I posted? Yes, yes it was. That too is a black and white fact that has no gray in it at all.

The above two points are a matter of fact. They are real facts that you nor I can deny. In other words..."It is what it is."

Now another fact would be that the number that was brought up at this site... http://www.nutters.org/docs/monkeys
...is a LONGER chance then the universe has had life, almost 14 billion years. Yet, the odds of that number are longer then a one and 14 billion year happening. And since WE do not KNOW that the Universe is infinite WE cannot enter a CHANCE happening.

So you have zero to offer here and you are at zero, which is but a starting point.

Both numbers are so close that when they get up in the morn they both get into the same pair of pants.

Non Sequitur..."so 0.000000000000000000000001 is virtually identical to 0.999999999999999999999999? I'm betting math will tell me this are significantly different numbers."

So zero "0" is virtually identical to 0.999999999999999999999999 is the right configuration. Which is IN FACT my whole point. I don't take kindly to your misrepresentation of my point. If you had questions you should have asked rather than offering a misrepresentation of my point.

is a LONGER chance then the universe has had life, almost 14 billion years

Time started infinitely before the big bang or whatever you wish to call it. That is your error.

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ID, you should try using Boolean logic on your argument.

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Oh, true vs. false.

Because my numbers are better than those being stored on the server.

Another reason for banishment, I think.

It is obvious to me that you are all gonna ignore my simple logic and continue ad infinitum.

Have at it, and I hope this thread gets locked soon, because most of you are wrong.

There is a God, whatever your term for he, she, or it.

There is.

There simply IS.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Mark, you have clearly stated what you believe.

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Oh, he is a believer.

Apparently, betreger posted in betweeen.

And I am not a believer. What I do enjoy, is that there is a civil place to discuss this topic, regardless what our differences are. I think the world needs more of this type of discussion.

Steve

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Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group.
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Mark, you have clearly stated what you believe.

I did, no regrets, no doubts, no misstatements, no backing down or need to.

Thank you for revealing that to others.....LOL.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

And I am not a believer. What I do enjoy, is that there is a civil place to discuss this topic, regardless what our differences are. I think the world needs more of this type of discussion.

Steve

And whether or not you do, Steve, does not change the fact that I consider you one of my best friends in the world.

Some would totally diss others if they did not agree with their core beliefs.
I will take you with me when I go, my friend.
You are coming with me home........like it or not.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

And I am not a believer. What I do enjoy, is that there is a civil place to discuss this topic, regardless what our differences are. I think the world needs more of this type of discussion.

Steve

And whether or not you do, Steve, does not change the fact that I consider you one of my best friends in the world.

Some would totally diss others if they did not agree with their core beliefs.
I will take you with me when I go, my friend.
You are coming with me home........like it or not.

I have been with you all along my friend.

Steve

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Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group.
GPUUG Website

is a LONGER chance then the universe has had life, almost 14 billion years

Time started infinitely before the big bang or whatever you wish to call it. That is your error.

Also known as a...Non Sequitur.

What we know time to be, is a point [check out WMAP] that was 13.7 billion years ago and counting.

is a LONGER chance then the universe has had life, almost 14 billion years

Time started infinitely before the big bang or whatever you wish to call it. That is your error.

Also known as a...Non Sequitur.

What we know time to be, is a point [check out WMAP] that was 13.7 billion years ago and counting.

ID, no that is all we have been able to observe. Nobody knows what was before including you!

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And I am not a believer. What I do enjoy, is that there is a civil place to discuss this topic, regardless what our differences are. I think the world needs more of this type of discussion.

Steve

And whether or not you do, Steve, does not change the fact that I consider you one of my best friends in the world.

Some would totally diss others if they did not agree with their core beliefs.
I will take you with me when I go, my friend.
You are coming with me home........like it or not.

I have been with you all along my friend.

Steve

I am taking you with, like it or not.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Mark,

You need to believe. That is a fact. And I hope you do believe and that it gives you the strength and comfort you need.

Not everyone needs to believe. That is a fact. I don't, and have to look to myself for that strength and comfort.

Just because God isn't required for the universe does not mean there is no God. There are a lot of people who have a reading issue with that statement. They take it to mean that without the requirement of God for the universe that implies there is no God. They then go into a ballistic rage screaming like a banshee over a misunderstanding of a precise statement.

What gets me riled is when people insist that I must think and do as they do, that they know the true way, in essence they are the judge of everything. If their belief system is correct then I'm pretty sure their God will judge them very harshly for trying to take away his great gift of free will.

Good luck Mark and may God bless.

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is a LONGER chance then the universe has had life, almost 14 billion years

Time started infinitely before the big bang or whatever you wish to call it. That is your error.

Also known as a...Non Sequitur.

What we know time to be, is a point [check out WMAP] that was 13.7 billion years ago and counting.

ID, what was going on 13.7 billion years BB (Before Bang)

Also didn't you assert somewhere something about 4040 BC or there about and that your God just left a bunch of fake clues that there was older stuff?

Oh, lets try one more on you, since you are so hog wild on your prime mover, what was he doing the day before?

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is a LONGER chance then the universe has had life, almost 14 billion years

Time started infinitely before the big bang or whatever you wish to call it. That is your error.

Also known as a...Non Sequitur.

What we know time to be, is a point [check out WMAP] that was 13.7 billion years ago and counting.

ID, what was going on 13.7 billion years BB (Before Bang)

Also didn't you assert somewhere something about 4040 BC or there about and that your God just left a bunch of fake clues that there was older stuff?

Oh, lets try one more on you, since you are so hog wild on your prime mover, what was he doing the day before?

Gary, you are wasting your time trying to get ID to be consistent either in his statements or his arguments. The man is the master of circular logic, citing papers and then concluding the authors stated the exact opposite of what they concluded and justifies it all based upon faith.

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