No, you believe a lie and passed it on. I feel no ill will toward you either.

"Albert Einstein" wrote:

As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.

Thanks for this one ID, I think that about sums up what some of us have been trying to say about "absolutes". Where there is certainty there isn't reality.

Where there is certainty there isn't reality. Sums up Neo-Darwinism for me.

No, you believe a lie and passed it on. I feel no ill will toward you either.

"Albert Einstein" wrote:

As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.

Thanks for this one ID, I think that about sums up what some of us have been trying to say about "absolutes". Where there is certainty there isn't reality.

Where there is certainty there isn't reality. Sums up Neo-Darwinism for me.

Says the person who is certain Neo-Darwinism is false. Very good. Some of us call Neo-Darwinism "the best current approximation", please find the certainty in that phrase.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Seems to me Wesley Ringer did a pretty good job making the case the bible is a pretty accurate accounting of our oldest recorded history.

Baloney. There are older accountings than the bible that are verifiable by reference to other, similarly old, accountings. The Code of Hammurabi is older by more than 300 years than any of the proposed Old Testament writings, there are older documents than this that are part of the archaeological record. Much of the old testament is not verifiable by correlation to external contemporaneous sources, and much of the new testament suffers from this failure to correlate. Seems to me all Wesley did in the linked page is show that much of the bible stayed relatively unchanged over time, not that it is "true".

The charge was from ScimanSteve that the Bible is not a true account. 11 books he said were false.

So, Wesley Ringer did do a pretty good job making the case the bible is a pretty accurate accounting of our oldest recorded history.

ID, I believe that you do not speak for Wesley Ringer, what I asked for is a simple reason why any of the subscribers of this thread should give his statements any credence. Can I make it simpler than that? I have not denied or affirmed any of his statements and I wonder what are your reasons as to why he is authoritative.
After all he offered no documentation, only unsubstantiated statements.
As always you have avoided being informative.

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ID, I believe that you do not speak for Wesley Ringer, what I asked for is a simple reason why any of the subscribers of this thread should give his statements any credence.

Now I can work with you. His work is true and correct. As I have said here before, the Australian Aborigines pass down stories that are accurate.

I have not denied or affirmed any of his statements and I wonder what are your reasons as to why he is authoritative.

Why do you want to know?

After all he offered no documentation, only unsubstantiated statements.

Not true.

The Dead Sea Scrolls
Geniza Fragments
Ben Asher Manuscripts
Aleppo Codex
Codex Leningradensis
Latin Vulgate
Aramaic Targums
Septuagint
Chester Beatty Papyri
Codex Vaticanus
Codex Sinaiticus
Bodmer p 66
Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 46
Bodmer Papyrus p 75
Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 45
Codex Sinaiticus
The Old Syriac
Erasmus
Textus Receptus
Polyglot Bible
Tyndale

And I would advise both you and Steve read--Misquoting Truth: A Guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman's "Misquoting Jesus". Bart Ehrman is where Steve got his information.

ID, you make my point, we can not talk because you did not answer my question! The question is "what I asked for is a simple reason why any of the subscribers of this thread should give his statements any credence." That is a copy and paste from the original. I can not break it down to a more basic level.
This is YOUR INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY on the line.
Answer why should the readers of this thread believe Wesley Ringer.

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This is YOUR INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY on the line.
Answer why should the readers of this thread believe Wesley Ringer.

I think his answer is because Mr. Ringer states the same thing as ID believes. ID can correct me by say posting Mr. Ringer's CV.

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ID, you make my point, we can not talk because you did not answer my question! The question is "what I asked for is a simple reason why any of the subscribers of this thread should give his statements any credence." That is a copy and paste from the original. I can not break it down to a more basic level.
This is YOUR INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY on the line.
Answer why should the readers of this thread believe Wesley Ringer.

MY INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY?

Im not going to ask you to break it down. Im telling you that he has more INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY then Bart Ehrman. Bart misquoted the Bible for reasons of a book. Wesley Ringer has not written a book for profit he wrote a on-line article debunking Ehrman and not for profit.

You have NO RIGHT at all calling my INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY into question. When in fact you said that Ringer had not offered any documentation, only unsubstantiated statements. When in FACT he offered what I posted and much more.

If anyones INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY is in question it is yours!

Here is his documentation once again...


The Dead Sea Scrolls
Geniza Fragments
Ben Asher Manuscripts
Aleppo Codex
Codex Leningradensis
Latin Vulgate
Aramaic Targums
Septuagint
Chester Beatty Papyri
Codex Vaticanus
Codex Sinaiticus
Bodmer p 66
Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 46
Bodmer Papyrus p 75
Chester Beatty Biblical papyrus p 45
Codex Sinaiticus
The Old Syriac
Erasmus
Textus Receptus
Polyglot Bible
Tyndale

CV?

ET lands in the yard of The Greatest Scientific Mind Alive. ET ambles down The Catwalk and approaches Mr. Big Brain.

ET puts a long skinny purple arm around Smartie's Shoulder and with a gentle 7 fingered hand, guides Mr. Nobel Laureate into The Starship.

Once inside, ET tries to push Braniac's bottom lip back up to Control The Drool.

ET says to Mr. Well Educated, Atheistic Prof, "Broheim, let me Show You The Proof, GOD Exists".

Much Later Mr. Professor Many PhDs is seen Stumbling Down The Catwalk crying and laughing at The Same Time.

As soon as The Most Intelligent Earthling To Ever Live is firmly planted on The Campus Green, ET lifts off and Disappears.

Professor Drool is muttering to The Gathered Crowd. "I have been shown Proof of GOD".

In his wet hands, Prof has an Optical Player with All The Proof, given to him by his Purple Friends.

The Internet Is aBuzz with Pics of The Starship; Prof and ET; The Starship Landing and Leaving; and of course, The Proof - in all Languages of Earth.

Thank GOD for The Internet.

ProofYouCan'tDenyDullNanDO

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

What just happened?

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I has a MiniCity :)
http://en-ki-du.myminicity.com

Each individual is its own universe.

I agree with your post, but especially this part.
This is why I believe wholeheartedly that organized religion(s) will never harmonize.
How I perceive the universe will never match how someone else views it.
Perception.

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I has a MiniCity :)
http://en-ki-du.myminicity.com

It is not possible to know ...

Understanding the hurdles to cross before knowledge is possible may well leave one thinking that it's an impossible task.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

On a much lighter note, the babe photo in Dullnando's signature proves that if there is a God, he's One of the Guys :-)

But wait -- there's also guys that look like Javier Bardem and Clive Owen. Now I'm really confused about my sexuality.

I wouldn't normally post this, but it appears that our host has been banished so I guess the gloves are off.

Drinks are on me Barkeep...
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Edit: spelling

On a much lighter note, the babe photo in Dullnando's signature proves that if there is a God, he's One of the Guys :-)

But wait -- there's also guys that look like Javier Bardem and Clive Owen. Now I'm really confused about my sexuality.

I wouldn't normally post this, but it appears that our host has been banished so I guess the gloves are off.

Drinks are on me Barkeep...
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Edit: spelling

Speaking as a moderator, No, The gloves are not off.

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Old James

Banished, yes he is,banished: ID 9719098. Karma or self-fulfilling destructive behavior?

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Public warning number one - no discussion of moderators' actions.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

OK

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