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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Proof in this case is somewhat circumstantial. All available evidence indicates that our Universe is 13.75 billion or so years old. There are many different measurements that have lead scientists to believe this, Agreed and agreed, and yes, sometimes it's best to leve them to find their own answer or how someone else thinks. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Proof in this case is somewhat circumstantial. All available evidence indicates that our Universe is 13.75 billion or so years old. There are many different measurements that have lead scientists to believe this, I wouldn't argue that the "simulator" view as a credible possibility, just that there are limits to what can be proved if supernatural entities are [ETA]not[/ETA] off the agenda. [ETA] apologies, missed an important word. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Isn't that a random deviance from it is all designed? What is beauty? ;-] |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
*snip* It is in the eye of the beer holder. Again, perception is reality. Janice |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
If you believe in chance. I do not. Thus you reject the current best approximation science provides for the Universe in which we find ourselves. I suspect we are done. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
random mutations Let's not beat around the bush. A "random event" is an event with an outcome that "cannot be predicted in advance". Plain and simple. If you can predict everything in advance, well, please prove it by going out and raking in some big lottery earnings and publicly announcing it, not only here but also on television. Then we will accept chance doesn't exist. (Call me "Thomas", ok? [smile] On the other hand, despite knowing "Dull" will accuse me of "parsing words", if you wish to say, "We humans cannot predict some things in advance, simply because we lack certain pieces of information", well, you are welcome to do so, but don't count on everyone buying that approach. In the past 1-2 years, there was an article in Discover magazine about precisely the idea. I found it an unsatisfactory article. I do not recall what was said about attempts, if any, to test this hypothesis. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Why is only String Theory used in schools and called correct? The list of why's is very long if we say who is correct... Man? No one has called String Theory correct. Not anyone that knows even a little about it. The TV character "Leonard" got it right, "It's just a beautiful internally consistent theory" that has not been proven yet by any means. Via Leonard, even non-science people will have some inkling of where things stand on string theory so far. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
random mutations Gary believes his argument means, with no chance, God decides all, so you have no freewill. Re-read what he said. He said nothing one way or the other about belief in a soul. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
quick note on evolution (darwin as prophet is not in the curriculum) Social Darwinism and other misinterpretations to outright deliberate misconstruations have nothing to do with the part about random selection. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Actually, I don't think that we operate the same as the earth. As to the made in his image view -- that is faith speaking.
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
And there you go -- you don't believe in chance. It is, as you are saying, a belief. A colleague of mine said many many years ago, that if the only tool you have is a hammer, the world looks very nailish. It seems to apply here. If your *belief* system is Intelligent Design, then all you see is filtered through that belief system. It is a belief system (faith) and as such, no argument will shake you from that. Fair enough. Of course, the reverse is also true. Those who hold to a belief system that does not adhere to your belief system will not be influenced by any efforts on your part to convert them. It is an interesting exercise in exposition though.
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Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Why is only String Theory used in schools and called correct? The list of why's is very long if we say who is correct... Man? @I.D. Hence why it's called String "THEORY". #resist |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
*snip* Ahhh, the old beer glasses trick. God does not make junk. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
There you go, world looking very nailish indeed.
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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
If you believe in chance. I do not. Not at all. Hawkings thinks that just 5 balls need to be removed for gravity to ACT over TIME to form what we see. Who removed 5 atoms? Soooooo, what if an odd number of H atoms where made and along with that a few atoms of (Li). Would not either or account? |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Proof in this case is somewhat circumstantial. All available evidence indicates that our Universe is 13.75 billion or so years old. There are many different measurements that have lead scientists to believe this, It's Gary's limb. Gary stated a hypothetical situation. Bobby simply said something along the lines of, "Now, if instead, reality really fits Gary's hypothetical situation, then ...". And I do not think Gary nor Bobby believes the hypothesis, but they are saying we have no way of testing it, to prove or refute it. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Who removed 5 atoms? What direct evidence do you have that suggests there is a "who"? If you have no evidence, then that is "faith" and should not be taught in public schools. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
*snip* Appendix, anyone? |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
*snip* And man created God in his own image. Janice |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
random mutations I posted about daisyworld. Evolution without Natural Selection: Further ... - Mathematics Department of Mathematics, King's College,. Strand, London WC2R 2LS, England. Journal of Theoretical Biology 166 (1994) www.mth.kcl.ac.uk/staff/pt_saunders/gaiajtb.pdf Emergent patterns in space and time from daisyworld 4Department of Mathematics, University of York, York YO10 5DD, UK rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/368/1910/161.full. Philosophical implications of the Gaia Theory Using sunlight and water and nutrient minerals to grow and change. ... Lovelock offered The Daisyworld model as mathematical evidence to refute most of these ... www.bibliotecapleyades.net/gaia/esp_gaia07.htm I go pop-ups but nevertheless If I have to do homework to keep up with you I dang well expect the same from you! |
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