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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Agreed - I'm glad there are no 'bad apples' amongst the Tea Party partisans. And no, that's not an excuse for this, or for that matter the violence seen in places like Athens (I was there 18 months ago). thugs ... |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Hey Occupiers: Do we need to get our Domestic Help to shine up The Silver Platters or are you Okay with Giving US want We Want on The Tarnished Silver Platters? Definately Class Warfare when The Occupiers are Preventing The 53% from Doing Their Jobs/Opening Their Businesses/Stopping Shopping and The 53% are Not Happy About It. Support For The Occupiers? Say Good-Bye to it. Join The 53% Movement. Soon to be The 60%-70%. Get Rid of The Thugs. Sweet. 0.000000001%Dull May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
If they are disrupting other people's livelihoods and damaging property, they are no more than common rabble rousers, no matter how noble their supposed cause. Get 'em off of the streets and let them organize their movement through legal channels and the ballot box. This is only going to get worse, as folks who really have no emotional attachment to the 'movement' start to get involved because they have nothing better to do with their lives and just want to take advantage of the 'peaceful protests' to engage in hooliganism, vandalism, and violence. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I agree, oh wait, you are not talking about the mega rich corporations and bankers..... No, I was not. Although their mischief is reprehensible indeed, disrupting small businesses and damaging property is not going to bother them much. And disrupting operations at one seaport is only going to last a short while until officials are bound by duty to put an end to it. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
thugs ... Dear 99%er Gary Charpentier, I like how you and 99% of the conservative corporation controlled media outlets are "working" hard to discredit. Enjoy your new role as a news media outlet. :) Signed, non-dull, 1 in 7 billion. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Right, because disrupting small businesses and damaging property is what the big guys DO for profit. So they won't be bothered by hooligans doing on a VERY small scale what they do big time. [/quote] No, I was not. Although their mischief is reprehensible indeed, disrupting small businesses and damaging property is not going to bother them much. And disrupting operations at one seaport is only going to last a short while until officials are bound by duty to put an end to it.[/quote] |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
..... How soon before the only job is state police officer? They won't be police officers Gary, they will be private "Security Guards" employed by the 1% to protect their interests. The government will be too broke to afford to employ "real" police officers. It would be interesting to know if those responsible for the destruction in Oakland were really part of the "Occupy" movement or agent provocateurs sent in to create trouble in order to discredit the movement and justify the harsh police action against it. T.A. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It would be interesting to know if those responsible for the destruction in Oakland were really part of the "Occupy" movement or agent provocateurs sent in to create trouble in order to discredit the movement and justify the harsh police action against it. Occupy Oakland is not the same as Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Oakland has at it core a bunch of anarchists. Destruction is their game, banks, government and any organization are their targets. I don't know if they intend on discrediting Occupy or if they see Occupy as a way to advance their goal. I can assure you the anarchists are not working for the 1%. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Interesting, I didn't realize you were an Oakland local.
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Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Handful of Violent Rioters Don't Represent "Occupy" Protests The Occupy movement is a non violent protest. As regards the Oakland incident, there is some question as to whether the violent rioters were agent provocateurs as have been used in other demonstrations. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Apparently not in Gary's mind -- absolute certainty is such a relief.
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Apparently not in Gary's mind -- absolute certainty is such a relief. Oh, I guess these wall street types just want to be able to claim Oakland when it is in their interest and disclaim the people in Oakland when it is in their interest. I see that a lot of the Occupy groups have sent people to Oakland to try and put a lid on the core group of anarchists who saw Occupy as a way to do their thing and claimed the Occupy banner as a way to do their destruction. By now real Occupy people may out number the anarchists, but they haven't got rid of the anarchists and I don't think they can, considering it is Oakland. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Apparently not in Gary's mind -- absolute certainty is such a relief. People who have absolute certainty scare me. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I wish people would stop bandying the word "anarchist" around as if they know what it means. They clearly don't. The Tea Partiers are libertarians. Libertarianism is a form of anarchism. The 99% movement has anarchism at it's core. Anarchism is NOT smashing up stores and banks. Anarchism is a form of organising society that quite literally means "without rulers". In other words they do not believe that one person or a small group of people should be in charge. There are many different forms of anarchism. The libertarians and a large part of the Republican party believes there should be no or little government. This is a form of anarchism. The 99% work on the principle that everyone has a say in how things are run. That is why they have the general assemblies to propose their demands and discuss them. This is anarchism. It does not mean chaos. It means organising things from the bottom up, rather from the top down. Reality Internet Personality |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
I wouldn't disagree that there is a small group of anarchist types (organizing true anarchists might be a bit difficult though). I guess the phrase 'core group' suggesting that they control the Occupy movement struck me as about the same level of paranoia that infuses folks who declare that all the violence in the Occupy groups is from government (or Wall Street) instigators. I suspect both explanations miss the mark.
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Anarchists organizing society -- it is an interesting juxtaposition of words... There is a small number of folks who look at various protest movements as an opportunity for violence. Seemingly the idea is violence for the sake of violence. It appears to be something focused on destructiveness. There was some evidence of this in the various 'anti-globalization' protests a few years back, and I saw a bit of this in Athens last summer as well. The thing is, the frustration level for 'regular people' has gotten quite high in a lot of places for a number of reasons and it is possible to spin that frustration into violent places.
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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
You can now rank yourself and see what part of the 99% you are. What % are you? I'd be interested to know how many people in this thread are in the 1%. Judging by the arguments about half you think you are. Reality Internet Personality |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
heh 58% In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
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