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Message 1015279 - Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 5:09:46 UTC

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Message 1015311 - Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 11:20:10 UTC

So, 75% of the credit comes from users with a RAC less than 3000. 50 % comes from users with a RAC less than 500. When will this long suffering group of loyal users finally get the attention and fame they deserve? Ban GPUs NOW, and divert all resources to the IMPORTANT people!

I hope you realize I'm joking. Sort of.

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Message 1015313 - Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 11:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1015311.  
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So, 75% of the credit comes from users with a RAC less than 3000. 50 % comes from users with a RAC less than 500. When will this long suffering group of loyal users finally get the attention and fame they deserve? Ban GPUs NOW, and divert all resources to the IMPORTANT people!

I hope you realize I'm joking. Sort of.


Scarecrows charts are users NOT wu returned and include those NOT ACTIVE

32.2% of those you include in your 75% do less than 1 Wu per day if any at all
those above 3000 a mere 2.38% of all users return about half of all the wu returned
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Message 1015318 - Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 12:06:30 UTC - in response to Message 1015313.  
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Scarecrows charts are users NOT wu returned and include those NOT ACTIVE

32.2% of those you include in your 75% do less than 1 Wu per day if any at all
those above 3000 a mere 2.38% of all users return about half of all the wu returned


I'm confused then. The graph title says Daily Credit / RAC group for 12 July. Scarecrow, does this mean the credit earned on 12 July, or the credit earned from day 1 up to 12 July?

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Message 1015359 - Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 14:39:39 UTC - in response to Message 1015318.  

Scarecrows charts are users NOT wu returned and include those NOT ACTIVE

32.2% of those you include in your 75% do less than 1 Wu per day if any at all
those above 3000 a mere 2.38% of all users return about half of all the wu returned


I'm confused then. The graph title says Daily Credit / RAC group for 12 July. Scarecrow, does this mean the credit earned on 12 July, or the credit earned from day 1 up to 12 July?


Both Miep and I have commented on this previously in this thread. Scarecrow's new graph is definitely showing total credit since inception, not daily credit, earned per "RAC group". Scarecrow's other graph, showing the number of users per RAC group, is correct, except that the "Credit today" data shown in small print in the last row is also incorrect - it is also total credit earned by each RAC group since inception.

Using the data analysis I performed a few days ago, the approximate split is:

RAC < 3,000: ~50% of RAC, ~97.4% of active users
RAC > 3,000: ~50% of RAC, ~2.6% of active users
(I define active users as having an RAC > 1.)

One can define an "Contribution Index" (CI) for each RAC group as "% of RAC"/"% of active users". The >3,000 group has a CI of 19.4, and the <3,000 group has a CI of 0.52. I suppose this could be interpreted to mean that the former group is over 37 times more important than the latter.
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Message 1015367 - Posted: 13 Jul 2010, 14:53:10 UTC

OK...sanity check for me...

The BAR chart:
* The bars are the # of users in that group
* Blue numbers are the # of user in that group
* Orange numbers are % of total credit from day 1
* Magenta numbers are the credit that group had today

The PIE chart:
Representation of the magenta colored numbers above.
That is, credit today for that group.

Using 07/12/10 as an example:

Users with a RAC < 1 = 937085
They account for 29..23% of total credit from day 1.
They reported 58443889.84 credits today

Users with a RAC 100-299 = 36791
They account for 8.04% of total credit from day 1.
They reported 16073987.19 credits today

Users with a RAC 300000+ = 2
They account for 0.12% of total credit from day 1.
They reported 240420.34 credits today


Disclaimer: There may well be faulty logic in play here, if so, help set me straight.
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Message 1015432 - Posted: 14 Jul 2010, 0:35:58 UTC - in response to Message 1015367.  

OK...sanity check for me...

The BAR chart:
* The bars are the # of users in that group
* Blue numbers are the # of user in that group
* Orange numbers are % of total credit from day 1
* Magenta numbers are the credit that group had today

The PIE chart:
Representation of the magenta colored numbers above.
That is, credit today for that group.
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Disclaimer: There may well be faulty logic in play here, if so, help set me straight.

Hmm, your figures add up to 199940480.38 credits today but the Boincstats S@H credit overview indicates just about half that for each of the last two days (see the bottom chart). The 60 day record of total credit has a slope indicating ~70 million credits per day, which would be ~490 million per week.

One possible guess is your subtraction is data from two days ago rather than one as you intended, but that's too simple to hope for.
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Message 1015434 - Posted: 14 Jul 2010, 0:40:21 UTC

:Users with a RAC < 1 = 937,085
They account for 29..23% of total credit from day 1.
They reported 58,443,889.84 credits today
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Um... something just does not add up. 937085 users, averaging less than 1 (as in not active in the last XX days).. turning in 58 million credits in a single day??

(added commas just to make it easier for my eyeballs)

I am no math expert but I would like to go on record as saying "Huh?"
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Message 1015667 - Posted: 14 Jul 2010, 21:52:30 UTC

My assertion that "the "Credit today" data shown in small print in the last row is also incorrect - it is also total credit earned by each RAC group since inception" was not correct. Apologies, Scarecrow, if I added to the insanity.

However, I agree with Joe that the value is too high by a factor of about 2.8 (assuming a global RAC of ~72,000,000. And as soft^spirit points out, 937,085 users with an RAC of less than 1 couldn't possibly contribute nearly 60,000,000 credits in a day. (I'd expect the number to be around 350,000.) So, while Joe's guess could be right mathematically, there seems to be something more fundamentally wrong with the "credit today" numbers.
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Message 1015677 - Posted: 14 Jul 2010, 22:14:36 UTC - in response to Message 1015667.  
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and 2 users with a RAC of over 300,000 posting less than 300,000 together
how the HELL do they have a rac of 300,000 if 2 of them can't do more than that in one day

scarecrow is using the info FROM seti@home

it's ERRORED to start

You CANT trust seti@home's data PERIOD

SO WHERE DOSES THAT LEAVE US
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Message 1015679 - Posted: 14 Jul 2010, 22:26:57 UTC - in response to Message 1015677.  

with somebody shouting on top of their voice.

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Message 1015684 - Posted: 14 Jul 2010, 22:30:36 UTC - in response to Message 1015677.  
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and 2 users with a RAC of over 300,000 posting less than 300,000 together
how the HELL do they have a rac of 300,000 if 2 of them can't do more than that in one day


The data for two users will be much more volatile than those for a group over 900,000 in size. My RAC is currently around 1,000, and some days my credit is 0 and on others it's over 2,000. So, for that group, the data could feasibly be correct.

scarecrow is using the info FROM seti@home

it's ERRORED to start

You CANT trust seti@home's data PERIOD

SO WHERE DOSES THAT LEAVE US


The data we're comparing Scarecrow's numbers to are from BOINCstats. BOINCstats gets its numbers from SETI. I'd suggest we give Scarecrow a chance to check his calculations.
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Message 1015726 - Posted: 15 Jul 2010, 1:00:17 UTC - in response to Message 1015667.  

My assertion that "the "Credit today" data shown in small print in the last row is also incorrect - it is also total credit earned by each RAC group since inception" was not correct. Apologies, Scarecrow, if I added to the insanity.

However, I agree with Joe that the value is too high by a factor of about 2.8 (assuming a global RAC of ~72,000,000.
...

That factor is tough to estimate. If the stats dumps are done between 3 and 4 pm Berkeley time as they were Monday July 12, the Wednesday and Thursday dumps would show no increase even if the project created them. If there were a Tuesday dump it would only have credits granted between 4 pm Monday and the Tuesday morning shutdown. The Friday dump is either a part day reflecting grants for data crunched during the outage and successfully reported or that plus grants from the previous Monday evening into Tuesday morning. In one sense the Saturday, Sunday, and Monday dumps are normal because they reflect a contiguous 24 hours, but caches and limits have effects I can't guess.

However the details work out, if the ~72 million global RAC continues the 4 or 5 days when there's some credit increase need to add up to around 500 million so having individual days near 100 million makes some sense.
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Message 1015728 - Posted: 15 Jul 2010, 1:12:16 UTC
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Everyone; Please keep ignoring Joe... There is a reason he has the Volunteer Developer tag in his profile. If people keep beating up those that are trying to help then you get to a point where it does not matter if they (knowingly) stop answering.

You become another person that does not care about anything other than yourself. YOU are not willing to look elsewhere for answers that are and have been typed many time.
When that happens another thing called Apathy happens. Over the years there have been periods where overbearing users have caused that to happen. One case where it got to an extreme, ended up where users were permanently banned. That was a long recovery (which makes the Seti outages disappear).

Internet etiquitte states that CAPS LOCK equals Shouting! If you shout expect to get shouted back at. You can ask civil questions and recieve civil answers.

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Message 1015731 - Posted: 15 Jul 2010, 1:43:20 UTC - in response to Message 1015677.  
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and 2 users with a RAC of over 300,000 posting less than 300,000 together
how the HELL do they have a rac of 300,000 if 2 of them can't do more than that in one day

scarecrow is using the info FROM seti@home

it's ERRORED to start

You CANT trust seti@home's data PERIOD

SO WHERE DOSES THAT LEAVE US


Find a good math book, and look up the definition of average. That is the A in RAC. Then read the definiton of RAC.

And please stop shouting.

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Message 1015803 - Posted: 15 Jul 2010, 10:41:06 UTC - in response to Message 1015221.  

If you're using 20+ machines, for that RAC, maybe you should consider getting more up-to-date stuff, thats also cheaper to run. Merely an observation. But then, I'm not running the two PCs that I'm using, 24/7 or, whining.



Careful Iona. He's very touchy.

Greetings,

I would have to agree with Iona. I am running BOINC on 2 PCs and maintaining a RAC just above 4,000. This guy is running BOINC on 20+ PCs and has no more RAC than I do? Something does not add up. I smell smoke...

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Message 1016984 - Posted: 18 Jul 2010, 2:54:59 UTC

Re-coded in 100% Reverse Polish Notation - I haven't had time to fine tooth comb the results, so let me know if something is munged.
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Message 1016996 - Posted: 18 Jul 2010, 3:09:46 UTC

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Message 1017009 - Posted: 18 Jul 2010, 3:28:42 UTC - in response to Message 1016984.  

Re-coded in 100% Reverse Polish Notation - I haven't had time to fine tooth comb the results, so let me know if something is munged.
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first glance looks a lot closer, thank you scarecrow

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Message 1017023 - Posted: 18 Jul 2010, 3:43:50 UTC - in response to Message 1016996.  

Thanks
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Nope, it's all in the same place, just bigger, faster, better than before.
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