NEZ - The truth behind the credits... finally revealed.

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kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51478 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 952680 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009, 14:38:51 UTC - in response to Message 952648. So this statement by him is a bunch of bunk... Not if the post by "donttrustnews" (page 2, cnet article, comments) is correct. Yes, we did have SETI on the majority of the computers in the district. I can't say whether or not he had permission to install it because I don't know. What I do know is that it was removed from the images that were used for deployment, however, there was a summer where not all computers were imaged. So, some computers still had SETI on them. A GPO was created to disable the service which stopped it from running on the computers that still had it. Consultants were hired this last summer to assist with the huge amount of work we had. After Brad left, these consultants were given full access to the network, they removed the GPO that disabled SETI, thus it began working again on the computers that still had it. Those computers weren't imaged for the second straight summer due to a shortage of man power and too many higher priority projects. OK...I can accept that. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ID: 952680 ·

Dr. C.E.T.I. Send message Joined: 29 Feb 00 Posts: 16019 Credit: 794,685 RAC: 0	Message 952719 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009, 16:35:42 UTC - in response to Message 952643. Niesluchowski also said he was not active in the SETI online community. "I never even posted on the online journal for SETI," he said. "The whole SETI concept is a smoke screen." < what's wrong with this picture? No proof of posting either. I guess at the very least he owes me lunch. . . . the actual reference i am making - in terms of NEZ's quote is referred to [in the BOLDED sentence above] it's rather 'Obvious' that he never Posted . . . < back to what i am querying: what's a smoke screen . . . ? Disclaimer: 'Media' says 'They' are "quoting" [see this NEWS link] - so did he actually say this and what's he 'mean by that which he is quoted as stating? BOINC Wiki . . . Science Status Page . . . ID: 952719 ·

Qui-Gon Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11	Message 952748 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009, 18:30:38 UTC - in response to Message 952719. Smoke screens hide something you don't want others to know about, like a ship in in a naval encounter. If NEZ said this, he might mean the higher-ups are saying SETI@home is the (main) reason to fire him, but it really just obscures the true reason--ostensibly nepotism. ID: 952748 ·

Grant (SSSF) Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13855 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304	Message 952749 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009, 18:33:05 UTC - in response to Message 952644. ... So this statement by him is a bunch of bunk... He said he "disabled" the SETI@home program "long ago." However, "unbeknownst" to him, SETI@home "once again began to run on the computers" at four district schools. If he actually made the statement. Given the reporting to date, i'd take any reports of either side of the issue with much larger than usual grains of salt. Grant Darwin NT ID: 952749 ·

Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0	Message 952757 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009, 19:25:53 UTC - in response to Message 952719. Niesluchowski also said he was not active in the SETI online community. "I never even posted on the online journal for SETI," he said. "The whole SETI concept is a smoke screen." < what's wrong with this picture? No proof of posting either. I guess at the very least he owes me lunch. . . . the actual reference i am making - in terms of NEZ's quote is referred to [in the BOLDED sentence above] it's rather 'Obvious' that he never Posted . . . < back to what i am querying: what's a smoke screen . . . ? Disclaimer: 'Media' says 'They' are "quoting" [see this NEWS link] - so did he actually say this and what's he 'mean by that which he is quoted as stating? That depends on what your definition of IS is. me@rescam.org ID: 952757 ·

Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0	Message 952758 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009, 19:29:46 UTC - in response to Message 952653. I wonder whether the Second NEZ account, #1 at SETI Beta since 2007-07-26, is the same person or a copycat? (different CPID from the one we're discussing here). Same person. I'll make a guess that the email addr used for his acct on this project has been changed. me@rescam.org ID: 952758 ·

52 Aces Send message Joined: 7 Jan 02 Posts: 497 Credit: 14,261,068 RAC: 67	Message 952761 - Posted: 5 Dec 2009, 19:48:40 UTC - in response to Message 952749. Given the reporting to date, i'd take any reports of either side of the issue with much larger than usual grains of salt. Spot on. You've got 3 parties (the school, the press, & Nez) positioning for public appearances & agendas, none of which are too incentivized to get it 100% correct, and even if they were, the press might not be capable of grepping the devil in the details. And when dealing with technical content, a deviation of just 1% makes a whole lot of difference :-) School environments must suck -- the virus laden game playing students are only surpassed in danger by the virus laden pontificating faculty. But the lockdown & control stuff (DMTF) is pretty good at managing and logging everything. When asked to remove something, why set up a policy to disable? Sure, 200000 wu's will get to timeout, but I for one wouldn't risk my job over it ... or at minimum set the task queue to zero days and justify conducting the REMOVE in an orderly fashion 2 Sunday's later off the District's clock. There is no reason to halt your clean-up at a mere disable unless you intend to re-activate later. But there are larger issues at play. Perhaps Nez meant that S@H was a 'red herring' instead of 'smoke screen' in that regard. Perhaps the police report when it becomes available will give a better picture of what went down. Those usually take 3 or 4 months to complete & file (of which 2 months has already ticked by). Anybody got $5? http://www.ci.gilbert.az.us/police/records.cfm (left as a non-click on purpose) ID: 952761 ·

Fuzzy Hollynoodles Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0	Message 952800 - Posted: 6 Dec 2009, 17:53:51 UTC - in response to Message 952382. Seems several people here are ready to hang Nez on the nearest tree. I think that people are bashing NEZ, because they are a bit jealous of NEZ getting 579,205,702 cobblestones. ;) Who let one guy to operate hundreds of machines for 10 years? So, no one didn't monitor the bandwidth, power consumption or CPU usage of those hundreds of computers for 10 years? Whoa! I think the whole school district should be fired, not just NEZ. Stop being so jealous, people! This was actually my thoughts too when reading some of the posts in this thread. Thanks to Qui-Gon for pointing out some of the legal aspects in this case. That there is no case at all except for one made up by some who want to cover the real reason, nepotism. That's how I read the statements and the facts given to us by the news articles. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me ID: 952800 ·

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