Nope, Equal rations to all.

Problem is, some need more while others less.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Nope, Equal rations to all.

Problem is, some need more while others less.

That's why I've been suggesting "empty queue" instead of "full queue" as the proper measure.

Best throughput overall does not come from topping up someone's 10 day cache while others run dry.

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When all else fails...........and the kitties cannot get what they want for their kibble bowl............you will have lost one cruncher............

Mark,

I know the kitties expect the bowl to be kept completely full at all time, but as long as the bowl is not empty, they'll be able to eat.

It's only a problem when the kitties start to starve.

Also, please realize that a big part of this discussion is how to best keep food in the bowl -- and in every other bowl -- as much as possible.

-- Ned

Ned......don't try to coddle me..........
I only look after my kitties' best interests.........not yours or anybody else's/

Got it???

Sorry Ned.......that was rather rude.
But to the point.......I did not mean to be so brash.

The project should feed all the kitties, not just the ones who yeowl at the bowl. They can't cater to some "fat cats" and let the rest starve.

Got it?

Big Cat has spoken! ;) (Pssst... I have yarn.)

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me@rescam.org

When all else fails...........and the kitties cannot get what they want for their kibble bowl............you will have lost one cruncher............

Mark,

I know the kitties expect the bowl to be kept completely full at all time, but as long as the bowl is not empty, they'll be able to eat.

It's only a problem when the kitties start to starve.

Also, please realize that a big part of this discussion is how to best keep food in the bowl -- and in every other bowl -- as much as possible.

-- Ned

Ned......don't try to coddle me..........
I only look after my kitties' best interests.........not yours or anybody else's/

Got it???

Sorry Ned.......that was rather rude.
But to the point.......I did not mean to be so brash.

The project should feed all the kitties, not just the ones who yeowl at the bowl. They can't cater to some "fat cats" and let the rest starve.

Got it?

The kitties that yeowl at the bowl speak for those who can or will not.......

I am the voice of kitties far and wide.....and speak for those who do not stand up for themselves. I am not always right, for sure. But at least I stand up and speak my peace.

Got it?

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

When all else fails...........and the kitties cannot get what they want for their kibble bowl............you will have lost one cruncher............

Mark,

I know the kitties expect the bowl to be kept completely full at all time, but as long as the bowl is not empty, they'll be able to eat.

It's only a problem when the kitties start to starve.

Also, please realize that a big part of this discussion is how to best keep food in the bowl -- and in every other bowl -- as much as possible.

-- Ned

Ned......don't try to coddle me..........
I only look after my kitties' best interests.........not yours or anybody else's/

Got it???

Sorry Ned.......that was rather rude.
But to the point.......I did not mean to be so brash.

The project should feed all the kitties, not just the ones who yeowl at the bowl. They can't cater to some "fat cats" and let the rest starve.

Got it?

The kitties that yeowl at the bowl speak for those who can or will not.......

I am the voice of kitties far and wide.....and speak for those who do not stand up for themselves. I am not always right, for sure. But at least I stand up and speak my peace.

Got it?

At the beginning of this thread you said:

When all else fails...........and the kitties cannot get what they want for their kibble bowl............you will have lost one cruncher............

In other words, if you don't get yours, you will quit.

In this post, you said:

I am the voice of kitties far and wide.....and speak for those who do not stand up for themselves. I am not always right, for sure. But at least I stand up and speak my peace.

Either you are demanding that your cache stay full and to heck with everyone else, or you are in favor of equitable distribution of work. Can't be both.

When we started a technical discussion of how to best keep everyone working, that was when you threatened to quit. You said you only care about your kitties, no one elses.

Maybe I missed something, but it sounds like you don't care how many kitties go hungry as long as your "fat cats" have bowls completely full at all time.

Then you say "I speak for those who can't speak for themselves" -- which seems to say that you're for equitable distribution -- kibble for everyone.

Please pick one position.

In the meantime, the technical discussion is about the best way to allocate work: how to efficiently and quickly keep at least some work in every queue without anyone going without.

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Sorry to my wingmen.
I lost a lot of Cuda tasks when windows updated.
Normally have auto update off don't know what happened.
Once again sorry.

EDIT: Checked some of the WU's and they were VLAR's 200 were auto killed.
They should be sent as 6.03

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When all else fails...........and the kitties cannot get what they want for their kibble bowl............you will have lost one cruncher............

Mark,

I know the kitties expect the bowl to be kept completely full at all time, but as long as the bowl is not empty, they'll be able to eat.

It's only a problem when the kitties start to starve.

Also, please realize that a big part of this discussion is how to best keep food in the bowl -- and in every other bowl -- as much as possible.

-- Ned

Ned......don't try to coddle me..........
I only look after my kitties' best interests.........not yours or anybody else's/

Got it???

Sorry Ned.......that was rather rude.
But to the point.......I did not mean to be so brash.

The project should feed all the kitties, not just the ones who yeowl at the bowl. They can't cater to some "fat cats" and let the rest starve.

Got it?

The kitties that yeowl at the bowl speak for those who can or will not.......

I am the voice of kitties far and wide.....and speak for those who do not stand up for themselves. I am not always right, for sure. But at least I stand up and speak my peace.

Got it?

At the beginning of this thread you said:

When all else fails...........and the kitties cannot get what they want for their kibble bowl............you will have lost one cruncher............

In other words, if you don't get yours, you will quit.

In this post, you said:

I am the voice of kitties far and wide.....and speak for those who do not stand up for themselves. I am not always right, for sure. But at least I stand up and speak my peace.

Either you are demanding that your cache stay full and to heck with everyone else, or you are in favor of equitable distribution of work. Can't be both.

When we started a technical discussion of how to best keep everyone working, that was when you threatened to quit. You said you only care about your kitties, no one elses.

Maybe I missed something, but it sounds like you don't care how many kitties go hungry as long as your "fat cats" have bowls completely full at all time.

Then you say "I speak for those who can't speak for themselves" -- which seems to say that you're for equitable distribution -- kibble for everyone.

Please pick one position.

In the meantime, the technical discussion is about the best way to allocate work: how to efficiently and quickly keep at least some work in every queue without anyone going without.

OK......I'll back down....
I am a bit adamant that the kitties get what they want, but I guess this should be about what is best for the project.
I am very proud of what I have accomplished here, and would like it to remain so..
But I guess it's not all about me, now is it?

I have to stand down and realize that if the kitties are having trouble getting their kibble bowls full, it surely is affecting every other participant in the project as well.

Sorry I got so verbose.....
The kitties will share.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

In the meantime, the technical discussion is about the best way to allocate work: how to efficiently and quickly keep at least some work in every queue without anyone going without.

OK......I'll back down....
I am a bit adamant that the kitties get what they want, but I guess this should be about what is best for the project.
I am very proud of what I have accomplished here, and would like it to remain so..
But I guess it's not all about me, now is it?

I have to stand down and realize that if the kitties are having trouble getting their kibble bowls full, it surely is affecting every other participant in the project as well.

Sorry I got so verbose.....
The kitties will share.

My thinking is that, whenever possible, no kitty should ever have an empty bowl.

Now, they may want the bowl full, and that is probably possible most of the time.

If we work from a "no queue is ever left empty" instead of "top up a queue at every opportunity" that should work better when things are slow, and end up with full queues most of the time.

At least it seems like that'd work.

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In the meantime, the technical discussion is about the best way to allocate work: how to efficiently and quickly keep at least some work in every queue without anyone going without.

OK......I'll back down....
I am a bit adamant that the kitties get what they want, but I guess this should be about what is best for the project.
I am very proud of what I have accomplished here, and would like it to remain so..
But I guess it's not all about me, now is it?

I have to stand down and realize that if the kitties are having trouble getting their kibble bowls full, it surely is affecting every other participant in the project as well.

Sorry I got so verbose.....
The kitties will share.

My thinking is that, whenever possible, no kitty should ever have an empty bowl.

Now, they may want the bowl full, and that is probably possible most of the time.

If we work from a "no queue is ever left empty" instead of "top up a queue at every opportunity" that should work better when things are slow, and end up with full queues most of the time.

At least it seems like that'd work.

Well...although the AP splitters have run out of data to split again, the kitties managed to get enough kibble in their bowls over the last couple of days to keep them happy for a bit. Maybe they can snag a few resends here and there to help a little.

If it really comes down to it, I'll just have to adjust their diet to include a portion of MB work rather than switch to another project...

And, as the situation is not likely to change as far as I can tell, I would suggest that new users default to MB only unless they manually choose to add AP work to their preferences. Leave the AP work for those who want it and know that their rigs are fast enough to process it effectively.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

My thinking is that, whenever possible, no kitty should ever have an empty bowl.

Now, they may want the bowl full, and that is probably possible most of the time.

If we work from a "no queue is ever left empty" instead of "top up a queue at every opportunity" that should work better when things are slow, and end up with full queues most of the time.

At least it seems like that'd work.

Well...although the AP splitters have run out of data to split again, the kitties managed to get enough kibble in their bowls over the last couple of days to keep them happy for a bit. Maybe they can snag a few resends here and there to help a little.

If it really comes down to it, I'll just have to adjust their diet to include a portion of MB work rather than switch to another project...

And, as the situation is not likely to change as far as I can tell, I would suggest that new users default to MB only unless they manually choose to add AP work to their preferences. Leave the AP work for those who want it and know that their rigs are fast enough to process it effectively.

The Lunatics unified installer is pretty cool. I'm using it to set up my crunchers here, and they're set up for AP and Multibeam.

My preferences are for Astropulse -- and to take whatever is available.

So my main cruncher has nearly all Multibeam right now, but hey, all work needs to be done, and the project never promised us there would always be work.

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My thinking is that, whenever possible, no kitty should ever have an empty bowl.

Now, they may want the bowl full, and that is probably possible most of the time.

If we work from a "no queue is ever left empty" instead of "top up a queue at every opportunity" that should work better when things are slow, and end up with full queues most of the time.

At least it seems like that'd work.

Well...although the AP splitters have run out of data to split again, the kitties managed to get enough kibble in their bowls over the last couple of days to keep them happy for a bit. Maybe they can snag a few resends here and there to help a little.

If it really comes down to it, I'll just have to adjust their diet to include a portion of MB work rather than switch to another project...

And, as the situation is not likely to change as far as I can tell, I would suggest that new users default to MB only unless they manually choose to add AP work to their preferences. Leave the AP work for those who want it and know that their rigs are fast enough to process it effectively.

The Lunatics unified installer is pretty cool. I'm using it to set up my crunchers here, and they're set up for AP and Multibeam.

My preferences are for Astropulse -- and to take whatever is available.

So my main cruncher has nearly all Multibeam right now, but hey, all work needs to be done, and the project never promised us there would always be work.

My rigs still have the opti MB app installed, so if I have to do some MB work, all I have to do is edit my preferences to allow Boinc to fetch it.....

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

FYI Eric has been questioned on raising MB credit values and last I remember said no, so it is a moot point.

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FYI Eric has been questioned on raising MB credit values and last I remember said no, so it is a moot point.

Not surprising that he would not want to rock the boat....
It was just a thought.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

FYI Eric has been questioned on raising MB credit values and last I remember said no, so it is a moot point.

I think we're forgetting Eric's server-side credit multiplier.

The problem is that credit is defined in terms of benchmark * time, but calculated based on FLOPs.

His script samples recently returned work, finds a median work unit, calculates the FLOPs credit and the Benchmark * Time credit and adjusts a multiplier based on a 30 day average.

That should tie credit back to the definition of a cobblestone, and it should be about right -- eventually.

It will never be perfect because some processors do some instructions faster than others -- and it's different with each new chip.

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My thinking is that, whenever possible, no kitty should ever have an empty bowl.

Now, they may want the bowl full, and that is probably possible most of the time.

If we work from a "no queue is ever left empty" instead of "top up a queue at every opportunity" that should work better when things are slow, and end up with full queues most of the time.

At least it seems like that'd work.

Well...although the AP splitters have run out of data to split again, the kitties managed to get enough kibble in their bowls over the last couple of days to keep them happy for a bit. Maybe they can snag a few resends here and there to help a little.

If it really comes down to it, I'll just have to adjust their diet to include a portion of MB work rather than switch to another project...

And, as the situation is not likely to change as far as I can tell, I would suggest that new users default to MB only unless they manually choose to add AP work to their preferences. Leave the AP work for those who want it and know that their rigs are fast enough to process it effectively.

The Lunatics unified installer is pretty cool. I'm using it to set up my crunchers here, and they're set up for AP and Multibeam.

My preferences are for Astropulse -- and to take whatever is available.

So my main cruncher has nearly all Multibeam right now, but hey, all work needs to be done, and the project never promised us there would always be work.

My rigs still have the opti MB app installed, so if I have to do some MB work, all I have to do is edit my preferences to allow Boinc to fetch it.....

Mine has the Optimized MB and CUDA installed and running on all 6 and I have room to grow to 8 too, I just need a new hdd and a 2nd 295, maybe in 9-12 months.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Not possible to upload at the moment.

I was just 'panicing' :)

Here's something:

6/4/2009 4:58:43 PM	SETI@home	Temporarily failed upload of 13mr09ac.20992.22567.8.8.152_1_0: HTTP error
6/4/2009 4:58:43 PM	SETI@home	Backing off 1 min 0 sec on upload of 13mr09ac.20992.22567.8.8.152_1_0
6/4/2009 4:58:45 PM		Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
6/4/2009 4:59:29 PM		Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
6/4/2009 4:59:29 PM	SETI@home	Temporarily failed upload of 13mr09ad.8623.8252.3.8.151_1_0: HTTP error
6/4/2009 4:59:29 PM	SETI@home	Backing off 1 min 0 sec on upload of 13mr09ad.8623.8252.3.8.151_1_0
6/4/2009 4:59:30 PM		Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
6/4/2009 4:59:44 PM	SETI@home	Started upload of 13mr09ac.20992.22567.8.8.152_1_0
6/4/2009 5:00:06 PM		Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
6/4/2009 5:00:06 PM	SETI@home	Temporarily failed upload of 13mr09ac.20992.22567.8.8.152_1_0: HTTP error
6/4/2009 5:00:06 PM	SETI@home	Backing off 1 min 0 sec on upload of 13mr09ac.20992.22567.8.8.152_1_0
6/4/2009 5:00:08 PM		Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
6/4/2009 5:00:29 PM	SETI@home	Started upload of 13mr09ad.8623.8252.3.8.151_1_0
6/4/2009 5:01:07 PM	SETI@home	Started upload of 13mr09ac.20992.22567.8.8.152_1_0
6/4/2009 5:01:28 PM		Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
6/4/2009 5:01:28 PM	SETI@home	Temporarily failed upload of 13mr09ac.20992.22567.8.8.152_1_0: HTTP error
6/4/2009 5:01:28 PM	SETI@home	Backing off 1 min 0 sec on upload of 13mr09ac.20992.22567.8.8.152_1_0
6/4/2009 5:01:30 PM		Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
6/4/2009 5:01:54 PM	SETI@home	Finished upload of 13mr09ad.8623.8252.3.8.151_1_0

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

One look at http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;view=Octets;ranges=d shows network traffic pegged...

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Clk2HlpSetiCty:::PayIt4ward

Two AP splitters up and running. Yea

Data Distribution State ......SETI@home # Astropulse # As of*
Results ready to send.......... 86,113 .............5 .........0m

Edit" totals
Edit 2: oops, one dropped off, now only one.

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