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Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Reading it on that same private forum is hardly a capitol offense. That is ludicrous because 1) there is no duty to act in such situations. Especially given the behavior and emotional instability of various mods, as was evidenced by their posts on the mod list, and 2) I think the admins were notified LONG since that that list was insecure--and choosing to bury your head in the sand, well, you can see how well that turned out. Smart plan. Please ask some of your friends who were explaining how hurt and violated they felt when that forum was first published. Try telling them that was no big deal. Also bear in mind that you see only what they chose to quote in their forum. They were reading lots and lots of other posts too. Meh. Anyone who has an expectation of privacy on the internet is probably being quite naive, except in the case of insurance companies, banks, credit card issuers, gov't institutions, et cetera, and we've seen any number of examples of how even those protections fail. Beyond that? Join a private forum, any forum anywhere, or email things to your friends, mods, whoever, and you're courting disaster. Your best bet is not to say anything that you either a) wouldn't say to someone's face, and b) that you prefer wasn't revealed after a bungled tryst and resultant hissy fit. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
KWSN Ekky Ekky Ekky Send message Joined: 25 May 99 Posts: 944 Credit: 52,956,491 RAC: 67 |
Reading it on that same private forum is hardly a capitol offense. I never, ever, thought I would find myself in some sort of even a vague resemblance of agreement with Rush. <The earth trembles, the firmament is rent.> If just a hundredth part of what I have learned about the "behavior and emotional instability of various mods" were true, then we should all beware - and so should Admin. I come to crunch for Seti, not to bury it. |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Reading it on that same private forum is hardly a capitol offense. Oh yes, you could study "the behavior and emotional instability of various mods, as was evidenced by their posts on the mod list," first hand! And you never felt any duty to react. Even when you got the chance! "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
My definition of "abusing the information" is wrongful use of it. Greetings Michael, Michael, I stand by everything I have stated in this thread. Friends or not, I do not believe that the ends justify the means. Nothing I have seen so far justifies the actions taken by the SETI Admin. Those users are "guilty by association" and no one is going to convince me otherwise, not without definitive proof to the contrary. Remaining silent and not informing SETI that there was a serious breach is NOT grounds for an execution of an account. Not in my opinion anyway. I run a forum myself. If I were to find this kind of breach, I would limit the perpetrator's access. But I would not just expel that person from my forum. And if I found out that others knew about it and didn't report it, I would limit their access as well. I would give them a chance to make amends. But then, that's me. And, as a matter of fact, something similar had happened. And that person is still a member of my forum. I believe that SETI went beyond reason by canceling accounts. They want to punish someone and the someone that should be punished, cannot be. Therefore, those being punished are "guilty by association" and do not deserve the summary execution of their accounts. At most, a 2 week ban would suffice, in my opinion. As an aside: Vendettas have been mentioned in this discussion. By me as well. If one was to go back and read certain posts from a certain person posting in this thread, one would see the person with the real vendetta. That person's hatred of <some of us> still posting here is most apparent. And why this person's hatred is not seen by the masses here, puzzles me. Anyway, I just wanted to get that off my chest as well. I am reading <EVERY> post in this discussion. Fighting for my friends, because I can. .o0(read 4 times, ready for posting) SIGNED: a concerned SETI citizen CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
mo.v Send message Joined: 7 May 08 Posts: 92 Credit: 5,382 RAC: 0 |
My definition of "abusing the information" is wrongful use of it. Posting it to a private forum is hardly a capitol offense. Every member of every BOINC project forum should have the protection of knowing that all their communications with other members using the channels provided (modlist email, private messaging, red-X messages) will go only to the person or group they were intended for. This is an essential aspect of our privacy, safety and security. Members have the right to expect that administrators and moderators will respect their privacy at all times even after retiring from these positions. To disclose information gained because one is or was in a privileged position with privileged access is, in my view, to act in bad faith. It's a betrayal of the trust that the position conferred. That is still the case even if the primary purpose of the unauthorised disclosures was not to reveal information about ordinary members. To see such a breach of good faith happening without doing anything to stop it continuing may be less serious than the betrayal itself, but it's collusion and it's also wrong. |
Arion Send message Joined: 6 Aug 99 Posts: 50 Credit: 140,650 RAC: 0 |
Fighting for my friends, because I can. I think you can fight all you want, but it will be to no avail. The admins are in charge of this board, they did what they had to do. It doesn't matter if it was fair or not. They are in charge and are doing what they think needs to be done. "Guilt by Association" does come into play here. Those that read the information and failed to notify the proper authorities also failed in their responsiblities. I'm not going to second guess the admins here on why some were allowed to continue while others were banned. Its their board, they make up the rules they saw the evidence, and they are the ones who are ultimately responsible. I also think we ought to be thankful that they were made aware of this breach and took steps to correct the situation. And we should be very glad they decided that there were more good people here than a handfull of bad ones and therefore left the forums open to us. One last thing. I do think that anyone's private/personal information that was comprimised should be notified in a private email/message and allow them to make whatever changes are neccessary to safeguard their information ASAP. You also validate a very good point. You have your own forums and you decide what the rules are as well as the punishment. Why should the seti admins not be entitled to the same. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
Fighting for my friends, because I can. Greetings Arion, So, what you're saying here is that there can be no appeal for a "lighter sentence"? I find that to be very un-democratic like. "Guilty by association" should NOT come into play. If it does than I too should be banned. I was a member of that forum. I may not have known about the transgression made, but still. In the mindset that SETI Admin is displaying I should be too. Does that in any way sound logical? I fully disagree with you on this. I and others here know the real reason that those particular users accounts are canceled. And, as I stated in my last post, there is one or more here with a vendetta. And that one person is subtly sending the message that I should be gone too. If one witnesses a fatal car accident and fails to report what one knows about it to the police and the police later find out about it and put one in prison for the rest of one's life, no questions asked, is that right? No. One may end up in jail for a month, or have to pay a fine and be on probation for a year, or even serve community service. That would be the extent of the punishment, after going to court to have guilt proven. The first part of this scenario is what has happened here, on SETI! Are you saying that those people that are gone are "bad"? Most of those people are my friends. One of them happens to be the betrayer of the the rest of us, so my feelings about that person are up in the air, for the moment. I didn't really know that person very well. Yes, I will fight the good fight for them. They are my friends and friends do that for each other. I believe that their account cancellations is overkill and done because "someone needs to be punished for this". Ah, but then, there's that vendetta thing I have mentioned, too.... Fighting for my friends, because I still can. .o0(read 3 times, posting anyway) SIGNED: a concerned SETI citizen CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Good to see you think this is funny. I wish you had shown this kind of consideration back when you were a moderator when I had got a banishment, where a whole group of people were "" dancing in the streets " with the sheer joy" of seeing me "being removed." all over the Cafe board. But you never saw any problems in that, did you? And that reaction which were displayed back then were many times bigger the size of my comments here, to your team mate, who found it offensive that I LMAO at 22 of 30 and 25 of 30 of their cavorting through this thread throwing their insults in the face of me. I reserve my rights to laugh at them when they try to bait me! Just as I also laugh at your friend's attempt to bait me! "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 9676 Credit: 20,067,888 RAC: 12 |
Good to see you think this is funny. And you certainly paid them back in spades when you got the Mod tag ..eh And there isn't enough space between the gloating to cavort. |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Good to see you think this is funny. And I see that you, dear Monday, have changed to your 25 of 30 number. So it wasn't 26 of 30 after all?! LOL "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Beethoven Send message Joined: 19 Jun 06 Posts: 15274 Credit: 8,546 RAC: 0 |
What are you doing Hev?! You know that Admin kindly put up this thread subject to certain rules. You're violating them. You seem to be doing your best to generate strife and bad feelings. Please go back to making civil and respectful posts, as you had been doing in the period preceding these user contract terminations. I'm sure that would be appreciated. :]] |
Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 9676 Credit: 20,067,888 RAC: 12 |
Good to see you think this is funny. Thats old news...try and keep up. |
Beethoven Send message Joined: 19 Jun 06 Posts: 15274 Credit: 8,546 RAC: 0 |
You too, Fuzzzy...Stop fighting, please. I'm sure that would be appreciated. :]] |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
You can all end the debate about the faults of someone who has passed on..... This a current and ongoing problem!!!! Read the new sticky post at the top of the forum, my friends. I hope they track down the current perp. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Brian Silvers Send message Joined: 11 Jun 99 Posts: 1681 Credit: 492,052 RAC: 0 |
Two wrongs do not make a right... |
Eric Korpela Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1382 Credit: 54,506,847 RAC: 60 |
That is not an analogous situation. A more analogous situation for those banished was they knew a car thief that stole a police car. The thief told all his friends about the stolen car and he made them copies of the keys and told them where it was parked. Some used the car for midnight joy rides to terrorize the populace. Some just drove it around for a while. Because they had a police radio they knew where the rest of the patrol cars were. Every night they would get together and tell each other what they had been using the stolen car for and offer suggestions for the next day. They kept detailed notes of their discussions. Perhaps you weren't banned because your friends never gave you a copy of the keys. Perhaps you weren't invited to the nightly meetings. Perhaps you were at the meetings, but never opened your mouth so your name never appeared in the notes. @SETIEric@qoto.org (Mastodon) |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
I am sorry you interpreted my question in that way Beethoven, that was not how I intended it and if you had read further you would have understood. |
Geek@Play Send message Joined: 31 Jul 01 Posts: 2467 Credit: 86,146,931 RAC: 0 |
There's no denying that he did what he did. But, that does NOT give you and your cohort the right to disrespect a friend of mine! Show some respect or don't post, that simple! Respect is earned by each individual through his/her actions and not to be demanded by his friends. If his actions did not earn him the respect of his pears, no demands by you or anyone is going to change that. Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....Boinc.... |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
Greetings Eric, Try all you want dude, you'll never get me implicated in any of this. As I stated I had no time to devote to their cause. I had no idea what was being done. I was a member of that forum simply because I am their friend and I agreed with their original mission, exposing the then corruptness of your moderation system. It seems not to be corrupt any more, by the way. I'm sure, though, that those that corrupted the system, still have your ear. I see it in this thread. This thread is thick with their hatred of me and my friends. I don't envy you your job Eric. My forum does not have the traffic yours does, but it has zero amount of the hatred and strife yours does. The real problem with your forum is well known by many here. It should be well known by SETI as well, yet SETI has turned a blind eye to it. I see 2 possible outcomes to your forum problem. 1.) Shut it down completely. 2.) Wake up to the real problem and get rid of it. Good luck Eric. Fighting for my friends, because I still can. .o0(read twice, ready to send) SIGNED: a concerned SETI citizen CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
A touch of hypocrisy here. Why is Misfit posting part of a private message that wasn't intended for him? |
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