Sound is an interesting phenomenon,

Variables will dictate the kind of sounds heard. Equipment, direction of recording device, distance, altitude, sound reflections, LOS, even humidity.

The buildings on the site you recommended are empty, the area is cleared of people for safety, recording devices are aimed at the event specifically for sound, the planting of squibs is not designed to look like a collapse from an aircraft impact and fire.

I am glad you heard the explosions on the videos I linked to. The quality and texture varies because of the above factors and most likely many more I have not listed. The fact that we can hear them even though the microphones are at a distance, and pointing at a journalists mouth is something in itself. Not to mention they are heard over emergency vehicle and people.

Eyewitness and seismic data also remain.


What is your source Bobby?


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What is your source Bobby?

For what in particular?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

just list them all

just list them all

Read the thread, there are links in my posts.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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tenth from left on top row. hardly anything that sounds like explosives

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tenth from left on top row. hardly anything that sounds like explosives

Mayfair Hotel? I counted five booming sounds before seeing any signs of dust.

No sounds of explosions before WTC 7 collapses.

Footage of smoke coming from and damage to south side of WTC7

Bringing it together, though a little over dramatically for my tastes.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I guess I'm partial to human testimonials,

These firemen, police officers, and workers from the towers are the most compelling for me. Coupled with the videos shown with seismic and audio matching, side by side. I tried to extract the google video codes from the www.911eyewitness.com webpage but have too much to do today. Perhaps I can point to them via description:

http://www.911eyewitness.com/videos01.html

a.) 911 Eyewitness-TV136: 30 minute program

b.) FEMA Report confirms evidence of demolition


14 videos in all but can only remember these two as having the descriptions of the sound evidence. I could be remembering wrong. If your into it you can always watch them all.

Even minus the sound argument these buildings shouldn't have fallen the way they did. Kind of like the word "Pull" taking away from the flow of this investigation.

Architects, engineers, and eyewitnesses tell us a different story of the events than do the media, the NIST, and our government, who still hold all tapes from the Pentagon and refuse to reopen the investigation of any of the attacks.

Family members of the fallen are the ones leading these proceedings and I feel it is disrespectful and dishonorable for anyone to deny them and the American public from having another look at the events in light of what has been examined and leaked.

Just like John F. Kennedy's assassination, it seems they only wish to have us forget what happened, unless it is being used to generate fear for control over us, or anger for war uses.

Any comments on the way and rate of the buildings falling?


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I guess I'm partial to human testimonials,

These firemen, police officers, and workers from the towers are the most compelling for me. Coupled with the videos shown with seismic and audio matching, side by side. I tried to extract the google video codes from the www.911eyewitness.com webpage but have too much to do today. Perhaps I can point to them via description:

http://www.911eyewitness.com/videos01.html

a.) 911 Eyewitness-TV136: 30 minute program

b.) FEMA Report confirms evidence of demolition


14 videos in all but can only remember these two as having the descriptions of the sound evidence. I could be remembering wrong. If your into it you can always watch them all.

Even minus the sound argument these buildings shouldn't have fallen the way they did. Kind of like the word "Pull" taking away from the flow of this investigation.

Architects, engineers, and eyewitnesses tell us a different story of the events than do the media, the NIST, and our government, who still hold all tapes from the Pentagon and refuse to reopen the investigation of any of the attacks.

Family members of the fallen are the ones leading these proceedings and I feel it is disrespectful and dishonorable for anyone to deny them and the American public from having another look at the events in light of what has been examined and leaked.

Just like John F. Kennedy's assassination, it seems they only wish to have us forget what happened, unless it is being used to generate fear for control over us, or anger for war uses.

Any comments on the way and rate of the buildings falling?

It is quite wrong to say that family members of the fallen are the ones leading this, they are certainly leading the battle to have better care for the first responders, but almost without exception they are not proponents of the 9/11 Truth movement's misleading, disrespectful and dishonorable attempts to suggest they were the victims of secret plans of their own government. I know several and they are all sickened by such statements.

I also know several other eye witnesses, not just of the planes flying into WTCs 1 and 2, but of their collapses and of the collapse of WTC 7, and while we all heard the same sounds as the the testomonies you link in, none of us believe we heard the sound of explosives. The 30 minute eyewitness program has little if any eye witness testimony, it's predominantly conjecture masking as science. Newton's Laws of Conservation are not followed, but no math necessary to show this is true? What not? Because you only need common sense to see it. Pure fiction. Squib explosions can be seen, because it says they are squib explosions. What more does one need? A few people say they heard explosions at the end, some even go so far as to say it was *like* a demolition. None of the eyewitnesses say they heard explosives or saw a controlled demolition. Why not? As I said none of the eye witnesses I know believe they saw a controlled demolition or heard explosives (unless you count the planes laden with fuel as explosives).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I think your under the assumption that because you and some of your friends think one way about these things that that's the way it is with everyone who went through it personally, or are now, or continue to, study these anomalies.

The truth is the more people look - the more we see. And it's no post card pic from Aruba we're seeing.

- 3 High Grade steel constructed buildings fall in seconds on the same day. Something that has never happened before in the history of steel buildings.

- A plane hits the pentagon but leaves a hole the size of an suv, with no titanium engines or bodies to be found. Video surveillance footage confiscated/round filed.

- A plane crashes in a field and vaporizes. No bodies, no wreckage, just a few pieces of paper said to be found a half mile away tangled in some shrubbery.

- A "terrorists" passport makes it to the ground after passing into a wtc building, through the fire ball, and safely into the hands of officials waiting with a butterfly net on the ground.

- Some of the "terrorists" who were posted on the post office cork board were found later to be alive and well and living their lives contrary to the reports here in the states.


Now all you need is a motive and a talking donkey and we're under the big top headlining next to the bearded lady.

IMO


Now... Can anyone think of a motive?


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Now... Can anyone think of a motive?

Yes! But without proof, it would only be speculation... ;)

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I don't think this has been posted here yet, but if it has, I apologize.

9/11 third tower mystery 'solved', from the BBC.

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9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
By Mike Rudin
BBC, Conspiracy Files

The final mystery of 9/11 will soon be solved, according to US experts investigating the collapse of the third tower at the World Trade Center.

The 47-storey third tower, known as Tower Seven, collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.

Investigators are expected to say ordinary fires on several different floors caused the collapse.

Conspiracy theorists have argued that the third tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.

Unlike the twin towers, Tower Seven was not hit by a plane.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology, based near Washington DC, is expected to conclude in its long-awaited report this month that ordinary fires caused the building to collapse.

That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire.

7 years to cook up an excuse.

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I think your under the assumption that because you and some of your friends think one way about these things that that's the way it is with everyone who went through it personally, or are now, or continue to, study these anomalies.

Quite, you believe the snippets of eye witness testimony taken out of context, I believe my own senses and the discussions I've had with hundreds of others that were there on the day. But it's me that's selective.

Want to know why you can't see the eye-witness testimony of the man describing an explosion on the 8th floor of WTC here? He's on the Conspiracy Files show, he states he objected to the way his statements misrepresented what he said and after discovering this he withdrew permission.

In one of the eyewitness videos from the CT site you've linked there's a fireman talking about withdrawing from WTC 7 because of fears of imminent collapse, I'm not sure which CT site it was but I did find the same footage "you know we got hit with just about everything, this is beyond...", from the Conspiracy Files (at 14mins 38 seconds in) this statement is immediately preceded by "there's no way to put the fires out, we got all sorts of water problems, you know, the two trade buildings took out the mains", rendering the fire teams unable to work on the fires in WTC 7. The comment about the water mains is missing from the CT footage. Why? a) because it's irrelevant, b) because it undermines the CT theory of controlled demolition, c) something else?

But you're absolutely right, clearly I have the blinkers on. Watch the Conspiracy Files, listen to the testimony of FDNY's Frank Papalia. Look at Steve Spak's close up footage of the fires at WTC7, and your conclusion is the only reasonable one to reach.

I'm not making any assumptions about what other witnesses think. I've asked them directly and repeatedly (much to the distress of some). I have yet to find, either in my direct conversations with colleagus, or in the videos presented on CT sites, any eye witness that supports the controlled demolition theory. Sure there are some people confused by what they saw, this is hardly unexpected given the unique nature of events, but none reach the conclusion of controlled demolition.

Some of the "terrorists" who were posted on the post office cork board were found later to be alive and well and living their lives contrary to the reports here in the states.

You even go so far as to perpertuate one of the oldest and most demolished myths of the 9/11 CT sites. That a person with the same name as one of the terrorists was in fact the terrorist.

Now... Can anyone think of a motive?

To perpetuate a tissue of lies? I can't, but yet you seem to find one.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I guess we'll never convince each other,

I'll post more for others as time allows.


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9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
By Mike Rudin
BBC, Conspiracy Files

The final mystery of 9/11 will soon be solved, according to US experts investigating the collapse of the third tower at the World Trade Center.

The 47-storey third tower, known as Tower Seven, collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.

Investigators are expected to say ordinary fires on several different floors caused the collapse.

Conspiracy theorists have argued that the third tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.

Unlike the twin towers, Tower Seven was not hit by a plane.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology, based near Washington DC, is expected to conclude in its long-awaited report this month that ordinary fires caused the building to collapse.

That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire.

7 years to cook up an excuse.

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Hmmm...I really didn't think that article supported your theories very well Mr. Gray. I think you may have selective reading comprehension issues.

It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.

Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.

They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.

Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.

The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.

Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.

It really seems to agree with Bobby's opinion.

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I know it didn't support my opinion Labbie,

I posted it so we have all the data we can get on this topic. It would seem to hurt my case but I am looking for the truth so must present all info I get.

I have trouble comprehending people. Not data.


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I know it didn't support my opinion Labbie,

I posted it so we have all the data we can get on this topic. It would seem to hurt my case but I am looking for the truth so must present all info I get.

I have trouble comprehending people. Not data.


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If you are just looking for the truth, then it is very interesting which part of that article you chose to clip and post here.

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It's your article link,

The wording is theirs. I posted the top section and it worked out good I guess. You put the link in there so everyone can read the entire article if they want. I guess it was a nice place to stop but it is also the top section. I really didn't think about it.

Maybe we can talk about the evidence on the case instead of wasting space on attacking me? Makes you look like an e-thug, making a scene to take the focus off the discussion. IMO


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