OK. My $0.02.

Who or what is Nestle in this case? Is it a distributor? Is it the Swiss home office? It most cases distribution of product within a geographic area is limited by contract to entities other then the manufacturer.

You would think that after this [sick children] happens a few times the people would wise up, or the local Government would educate persons that the use of formula is not healthy. So should not the local health officials be at least at much at fault for not teaching the proper use of the formula (perhaps as simple as boil the water, allow it to cool at bit, then mix)?

The local persons who are end users of the formula may be "at fault" because they may have access to the above information, and they made a choice to use the formula as it allows them to attend to other things like farming/manufacturing that allows them to sustain older children. Not boiling the water because it seems a waste of time. The people you are talking about are still human. They are capable of rational thought and the ability to make the choice to use the formula or not. The end users have the ultimate choice.

It is not in the best interest of a corporation to kill the end users of a product because eventually it erodes the market base. Some exceptions to this exist like tobacco (the addicted end user is killed after many years of use), the pinto gas tank (a calculated risk - that hurt the corporation (and other American corporations as well)). In the case of baby formula this is not the case, as the new end users would be killed prior to using the product. Some mothers would not use the formula (because it is expensive) and the babies would not be sick - eventually this market would die off. It would be in the corporations best interest to see the product used correctly and healthy babies as the end result so that new customers would be available for use.

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missed the point in a spectacular (and probably deliberate) way.

It's the fine art of insulting a third party while appearing to be participating in a genuine conversation... ;)

(Of course, when I point that out in real life, they just call me crazy.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

After reading that I don't think you and are are actually speaking the same language. You've clamied I've said things I haven't. You've claimed other people have said things they haven't..and best of all..you have totally, thoroughly...wholeheartedly missed the point in a spectacular (and probably deliberate) way.

Yeah, it couldn't be as simple as I and the majority of the world disagreeing with you and that's why nothing "illegal" is taking place. OR that these people are clearly demonstrating an inability to learn from their mistakes after 30+ years, and according to you, thousands and thousands of dead babies.

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missed the point in a spectacular (and probably deliberate) way.

It's the fine art of insulting a third party while appearing to be participating in a genuine conversation... ;)

(Of course, when I point that out in real life, they just call me crazy.)

Nah..it's just like being in class..hard work. Sometimes i might as well just be here going 'blah, blah, blah".

Trust me, I know from experience the difference between someone who disagrees and someone who simply hasn't understood what you've said.

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missed the point in a spectacular (and probably deliberate) way.

It's the fine art of insulting a third party while appearing to be participating in a genuine conversation... ;)

(Of course, when I point that out in real life, they just call me crazy.)

Nah..it's just like being in class..hard work. Sometimes i might as well just be here going 'blah, blah, blah".

Trust me, I know from experience the difference between someone who disagrees and someone who simply hasn't understood what you've said.

...but apparently you cannot tell the difference between someone who doesn't understand and someone who really just doesn't care

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...but apparently you cannot tell the difference between someone who doesn't understand and someone who really just doesn't care

Actually. Yes I can. A lot of times the two things go hand in hand.

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...but apparently you cannot tell the difference between someone who doesn't understand and someone who really just doesn't care

Actually. Yes I can. A lot of times the two things go hand in hand.

...and it might actually come true if you say it enough, huh?

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...but apparently you cannot tell the difference between someone who doesn't understand and someone who really just doesn't care

Actually. Yes I can. A lot of times the two things go hand in hand.

...and it might actually come true if you say it enough, huh?

You'd know all about that wouldn't you?

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...but apparently you cannot tell the difference between someone who doesn't understand and someone who really just doesn't care

Actually. Yes I can. A lot of times the two things go hand in hand.

...and it might actually come true if you say it enough, huh?

You'd know all about that wouldn't you?

Yeah, I've watched you try it on several topics.

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...but apparently you cannot tell the difference between someone who doesn't understand and someone who really just doesn't care

Actually. Yes I can. A lot of times the two things go hand in hand.

...and it might actually come true if you say it enough, huh?

You'd know all about that wouldn't you?

Why, yes.
Yes, I would.

Why, yes.
Yes, I would.

Why, yes.
Yes, I would.

Why, yes.
Yes, I would.

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How do you even manage to wake up in the morning anymore with so much to worry about? I won't bother reading your entire anti freedom rant but I'm betting you're not too concerned over the shareholders....otherwise known as owners ot those companies......

Because I found this discussion interesting I would like to continue it.

The story so far.

Rush said that prices were falling because of corporations like Walmart who were cutting prices.

I made the point that someone is paying the price for these price cuts..we just might not realise it, and Walmart was bound by law to make a profit.

Then there was a discussion about a specific example where Nestle is selling milk formula in countries that do not always have ready access to water clean enough to make it up and as a result babies have been dying.

Corporations often go ahead and break the law..knowing that the money they save or make is going to be greater than any fines they have to pay. Because their first duty is to their shareholders, as long as they can afford it they can go ahead and cause suffering, damage to the environment and death and still go on trading without changing their ways.

THE TOP 100 CORPORATE CRIMINALS OF THE 1990's

1) F. Hoffmann-La Roche Ltd.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $500 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 21(1), May 24, 1999

2) Daiwa Bank Ltd.
Type of Crime: Financial
Criminal Fine: $340 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 9(3), March 4, 1996

3) BASF Aktiengesellschaft
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $225 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 21(1), May 24, 1999

4) SGL Carbon Aktiengesellschaft (SGL AG)
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $135 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 19(4), May 10, 1999

5) Exxon Corporation and Exxon Shipping
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $125 million
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 11(3), March 18, 1991

6) UCAR International, Inc.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $110 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 15(6), April 13, 1998

7) Archer Daniels Midland
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $100 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 40(1), October 21, 1996

8)(tie) Banker's Trust
Type of Crime: Financial
Criminal Fine: $60 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 11(1), March 15, 1999

8)(tie) Sears Bankruptcy Recovery Management Services
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $60 million
13 Corporate Crime Reporter 7(1), February 15, 1999

10) Haarman & Reimer Corp.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal fine: $50 million
11 Corporate Crime Reporter 5(4), February 3, 1997

11) Louisiana-Pacific Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $37 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 23(1), June 8, 1998

12) Hoechst AG
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $36 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 19(6), May 10, 1999

13) Damon Clinical Laboratories, Inc.
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $35.2 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 39(6), October 14, 1996

14) C.R. Bard Inc.
Type of Crime: Food and drug
Criminal Fine: $30.9 million
7 Corporate Crime Reporter 41(1), October 25, 1993

15) Genentech Inc.
Type of Crime: Food and drug
Criminal Fine: $30 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 16(3), April 19, 1999

16) Nippon Gohsei
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $21 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 29(3), July 19, 1999

17)(tie) Pfizer Inc.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $20 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(1), July 26, 1999

17)(tie) Summitville Consolidated Mining Co. Inc.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $20 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 20(3) May 20, 1996

19)(tie) Lucas Western Inc.
Type of Crime: False Statements
Criminal Fine: $18.5 million
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 4(6), January 30, 1995

19)(tie) Rockwell International Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $18.5 million
6 Corporate Crime Reporter 13(4), March 30, 1992

21) Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $18 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(4), July 26, 1999

22) Teledyne Industries Inc.
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $17.5 million
6 Corporate Crime Reporter 39(9), October 12, 1992

23) Northrop
Type of Crime: False statements
Criminal Fine: $17 million
4 Corporate Crime Reporter 9(1), March 5, 1990

24) Litton Applied Technology Division (ATD) and Litton Systems Canada (LSL)
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $16.5 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 27(1), July 5, 1999

25) Iroquois Pipeline Operating Company
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $15 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 22(1), June 3, 1996

26) Eastman Chemical Company
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $11 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 38(5), October 5, 1998

27) Copley Pharmaceutical, Inc.
Type of Crime: Food and drug
Criminal Fine: $10.65 million
11 Corporate Crime Reporter 22(1), June 2, 1997

28) Lonza AG
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $10.5 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 10(1), March 8, 1999

29) Kimberly Home Health Care Inc.
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $10.08 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(6), July 26, 1999

30)(tie) Ajinomoto Co. Inc.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $10 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 40(1), October 21, 1996

30)(tie) Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI)
Type of Crime: Financial
Criminal Fine: $10 million
4 Corporate Crime Reporter 3(1) January 22, 1990

30)(tie) Kyowa Hakko Kogyo Co. Ltd.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $10 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 40(1), October 21, 1996

30)(tie) Warner-Lambert Company
Type of Crime: Food and drug
Criminal Fine: $10 million
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 46(1), December 4, 1995

34) General Electric
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $9.5 million
6 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(7), July 27, 1992

35)(tie) Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $9 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 23(3), June 8, 1998

35)(tie) Showa Denko Carbon
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $9 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 19(4), May 10, 1999

37) IBM East Europe/Asia Ltd.
Type of Crime: Illegal exports
Criminal Fine: $8.5 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 32(1), August 10, 1998

38) Empire Sanitary Landfill Inc.
Type of crime: Campaign finance
Criminal fine: $8 million
11 Corporate Crime Reporter 39(3), October 13, 1997

39)(tie) Colonial Pipeline Company
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $7 million
13 Corporate Crime Reporter 9(3), March 1, 1999

39)(tie) Eklof Marine Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $7 million
11 Corporate Crime Reporter 37(4), September 29, 1997

41)(tie) Chevron
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $6.5 million
6 Corporate Crime Reporter, 22(1), June 1, 1992

41)(tie) Rockwell International Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $6.5 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 15(4), April 15, 1996

43) Tokai Carbon Ltd. Co.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $6 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 19(4), May 10, 1999

44)(tie) Allied Clinical Laboratories, Inc.
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $5 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 45(1), November 25, 1996

44)(tie) Northern Brands International Inc.
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $5 million
13 Corporate Crime Reporter 1(1), January 4,1999

44)(tie) Ortho Pharmaceutical Corporation
Type of Crime: Obstruction of justice
Criminal Fine: $5 million
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 2(3), January 16, 1995

44)(tie) Unisys
Type of Crime: Bribery
Criminal Fine: $5 million
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 35(11), September 16, 1991

44)(tie) Georgia Pacific Corporation
Type of Crime: Tax evasion
Criminal Fine: $5 million
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 38(8), October 7, 1991

49) Kanzaki Specialty Papers Inc.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $4.5 million
8 Corporate Crime Reporter 29(4), July 18, 1994

50) ConAgra Inc.
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $4.4 million
11 Corporate Crime Reporter 12(1), March 24, 1997

51) Ryland Mortgage Company
Type of Crime: Financial
Criminal Fine: $4.2 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 32(1), August 10, 1998

52)(tie) Blue Cross Blue Shield of Illinois
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $4 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 29(1), July 20, 1998

52)(tie) Borden Inc.
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $4 million
4 Corporate Crime Reporter 11(9), March 19, 1990

52)(tie) Dexter Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $4 million
6 Corporate Crime Reporter 35(6), September 14, 1992

52)(tie) Southland Corporation
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $4 million
4 Corporate Crime Reporter 11(9), March 19, 1990

52)(tie) Teledyne Industries Inc.
Type of Crime: Illegal exports
Criminal Fine: $4 million
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 5(3), February 6, 1995

52)(tie) Tyson Foods Inc.
Type of Crime: Public corruption
Criminal Fine: $4 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 1(3), January 5, 1998

58)(tie) Aluminum Company of America (ALCOA)
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $3.75 million
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 29(6), July 22, 1991

58)(tie) Costain Coal Inc.
Type of Crime: Worker Death
Criminal Fine: $3.75 million
7 Corporate Crime Reporter 9(10), March 1, 1993

58)(tie) United States Sugar Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $3.75 million
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 27(4), December 9, 1991

61) Saybolt, Inc., Saybolt North America
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $3.4 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 33(1), August 17, 1998

62)(tie) Bristol-Myers Squibb
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $3 million
6 Corporate Crime Reporter 18(3), May 4, 1992

62)(tie) Chemical Waste Management Inc.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $3 million
6 Corporate Crime Reporter 40(5), October 19, 1992

62)(tie) Ketchikan Pulp Company
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $3 million
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 13(1), April 3, 1995

62)(tie) United Technologies Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $3 million
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 21(1), May 27, 1991

62)(tie) Warner-Lambert Inc.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $3 million
11 Corporate Crime Reporter 37(3), September 29, 1997

67)(tie) Arizona Chemical Co. Inc.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $2.5 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 39(5), October 14, 1996

67)(tie) Consolidated Rail Corporation (Conrail)
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $2.5 million
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(1), July 31, 1995

69) International Paper
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $2.2 million
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 31(7), August 5, 1991

70)(tie) Consolidated Edison Company
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $2 million
8 Corporate Crime Reporter 46(5), November 28, 1994

70)(tie) Crop Growers Corporation
Type of Crime: Campaign finance
Criminal fine: $2 million
11 Corporate Crime Reporter 4(3), January 27, 1997

70)(tie) E-Systems Inc.
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $2 million
4 Corporate Crime Reporter 33, September 3, 1990

70)(tie) HAL Beheer BV
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $2 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 39(4), October 12, 1998

70)(tie) John Morrell and Company
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $2 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 6(3), February 12, 1996

70)(tie) United Technologies Corporation
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $2 million
6 Corporate Crime Reporter 34(4), September 7, 1992

76) Mitsubishi Corporation, Mitsubishi International Corporation
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $1.8 million
8 Corporate Crime Reporter 29(4), July 18, 1994

77)(tie) Blue Shield of California
Type of Crime: Fraud
Criminal Fine: $1.5 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 18(3), May 6, 1996

77)(tie) Browning-Ferris Inc.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $1.5 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 23(3), June 8, 1998

77)(tie) Odwalla Inc.
Type of Crime: Food and drug
Criminal Fine: $1.5 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(1), July 27, 1998

77)(tie) Teledyne Inc.
Type of Crime: False statements
Criminal Fine: $1.5 million
7 Corporate Crime Reporter 34(12), September 6, 1993

77)(tie) Unocal Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $1.5 million
8 Corporate Crime Reporter 12(8), March 21, 1994

82)(tie) Doyon Drilling Inc.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $1 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 21(1), May 25, 1998

82)(tie) Eastman Kodak
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $1 million
4 Corporate Crime Reporter 14(1), April 9, 1990

82)(tie) Case Corporation
Type of Crime: Illegal exports
Criminal Fine: $1 million
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 22(4), June 3, 1996

85) Marathon Oil
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $900,000
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 22(5), June 3, 1991

86) Hyundai Motor Company
Type of Crime: Campaign finance
Criminal Fine: $600,000
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 48(3), December 18, 1995

87)(tie) Baxter International Inc.
Type of Crime: Illegal Boycott
Criminal Fine: $500,000
7 Corporate Crime Reporter 13(7) , March 29, 1993

87)(tie) Bethship-Sabine Yard
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $500,000
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 26(4), July 3, 1995

87(tie) Palm Beach Cruises
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $500,000
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(4), July 26, 1999

87)(tie) Princess Cruises Inc.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $500,000
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(4), July 26, 1999

91)(tie) Cerestar Bioproducts BV
Type of Crime: Antitrust
Criminal Fine: $400,000
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 28(3), June 29, 1998

91)(tie) Sun-Land Products of California
Type of Crime: Campaign finance
Criminal Fine: $400,000
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 33(1), August 17, 1998

93)(tie) American Cyanamid
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $250,000
4 Corporate Crime Reporter 46(5), December 3, 1990

93)(tie) Korean Air Lines
Type of Crime: Campaign finance
Criminal Fine: $250,000
9 Corporate Crime Reporter 47(1), December 11, 1995

93)(tie) Regency Cruises Inc.
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $250,000
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 30(4), July 26, 1999

96)(tie) Adolph Coors Company
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $200,000
4 Corporate Crime Reporter 43(3), November 12, 1990

96)(tie) Andrew and Williamson Sales Co.
Type of crime: Food and drug
Criminal fine: $200,000
11 Corporate Crime Reporter 44(4), November 17, 1997

96)(tie) Daewoo International (America) Corporation
Type of Fine: Campaign finance
Criminal Fine: $200,000
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 13(3), April 1, 1996

96)(tie) Exxon Corporation
Type of Crime: Environmental
Criminal Fine: $200,000
5 Corporate Crime Reporter 12(1), March 25, 1991

100) Samsung America Inc.
Type of Crime: Campaign finance
Criminal Fine: $150,000
10 Corporate Crime Reporter 6(5), February 12, 1996

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

An anti freedom rant? Does really the end justify the means?
Is it really right to say it's okay for a company to make profit no matter what law, written or unwritten, may be broken? All of these 100 companies got away with their crimes way too easily, and they are just the upper top of an entire iceberg.
I rather think that, when a company does criminal things, then their owners are responsible for that and should be punished as criminals, or at least as confidants of criminals. There is a reason that countries have laws. And companies - being legal persons - do not stand above the laws, hence they as an entity (and/or their owners) should be punished as hard as natural persons.

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How do you even manage to wake up in the morning anymore with so much to worry about?

I usually just sleep 'til noon... ;)

(Gee, maybe that's why I can't find a job. Maybe I should work on my up at 5am yet do nothing all day skills.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

How do you even manage to wake up in the morning anymore with so much to worry about?

I usually just sleep 'til noon... ;)

(Gee, maybe that's why I can't find a job. Maybe I should work on my up at 5am yet do nothing all day skills.)

It might help if you did actually get up and go look for a job..just a suggestion. :p

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It might help if you did actually get up and go look for a job..

We've already established that people have been 'controlled' since the sixties...

So if they already know who I am... Which they do...
And if they already know where I am... Which they do...
And if they already know what skills I have... Which they do...
And thanks to the patriot act, they already know how much cash I have...

Why should I run around like an idiot looking for 'my keeper'?

Oh, that's right, now I remember, to show them how much I want/need them...

Which brings us back to the 'control' thing again... ;)

(Of course, I'm not supposed to be privy to this kind of info. But I am.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

It might help if you did actually get up and go look for a job..

We've already established that people have been 'controlled' since the sixties...

So if they already know who I am... Which they do...
And if they already know where I am... Which they do...
And if they already know what skills I have... Which they do...
And thanks to the patriot act, they already know how much cash I have...

Why should I run around like an idiot looking for 'my keeper'?

Oh, that's right, now I remember, to show them how much I want/need them...

Which brings us back to the 'control' thing again... ;)

(Of course, I'm not supposed to be privy to this kind of info. But I am.)

Jeffrey..you are assuming a level of organisation and competence that I have never observed while working in government. They don't know jack...although I am sure they want you to think they do.

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Jeffrey..you are assuming a level of organisation and competence that I have never observed

If they were capable of that, I wouldn't have figured it out... ;)

(I have a whole list of 'verbal slip-ups' that tell a different story.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

OR that these people are clearly demonstrating an inability to learn from their mistakes after 30+ years, and according to you, thousands and thousands of dead babies.[/quote]


after couple of hundred years robbing off those countries mineral and food sources and keeping the people in situation where they dont have a choice and still doing mostly the same thing nowadays with corrupt coverments, and funnily, normally by big companys corrupting them, we are not in position where we can say rightfully that it´s their fault or why they don´t learn, and why they put babyformula in dirty water, they normally don´t have choice.
i am talking about africa, i might be white but i am ain´t no stupid

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

after couple of hundred years robbing off those countries mineral and food sources and keeping the people in situation where they dont have a choice and still doing mostly the same thing nowadays with corrupt coverments, and funnily, normally by big companys corrupting them, we are not in position where we can say rightfully that it´s their fault or why they don´t learn, and why they put babyformula in dirty water, they normally don´t have choice.
i am talking about africa, i might be white but i am ain´t no stupid

A simple review of any history book will show you that many people have overcome their "oppressors" throughout the history of man. In fact, I heard that once upon a time, a handful of American states fought for and won their independence from what was considered the strongest nation, physically and financially, on the planet.

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after couple of hundred years robbing off those countries mineral and food sources and keeping the people in situation where they dont have a choice and still doing mostly the same thing nowadays with corrupt coverments, and funnily, normally by big companys corrupting them, we are not in position where we can say rightfully that it´s their fault or why they don´t learn, and why they put babyformula in dirty water, they normally don´t have choice.
i am talking about africa, i might be white but i am ain´t no stupid

A simple review of any history book will show you that many people have overcome their "oppressors" throughout the history of man. In fact, I heard that once upon a time, a handful of American states fought for and won their independence from what was considered the strongest nation, physically and financially, on the planet.

yes, that is just what we need, couple more wars, but this time in africa, not some country where is oil

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes