Wonder if some isp's have their routes shutdown to that ISP?

Kind Regards
Vyper

Do I recall from a long time ago...Simon having said something about the site being hacked/attacked and being shut down as a spammer?
Might this have something to do with it?
Might check for it on spamlists.........just a thought.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Wonder if some isp's have their routes shutdown to that ISP?

Kind Regards
Vyper

Do I recall from a long time ago...Simon having said something about the site being hacked/attacked and being shut down as a spammer?
Might this have something to do with it?
Might check for it on spamlists.........just a thought.

I called Road Runner here in Green Bay, and they told me to contact Global Crossing, since the problem is off of RR's network. This is the response I got from GC:

Looks like we hand that off to WBS directly off ar3.dca3. (Noting that the IP before the last hop is our router: " te1-1-10g.ar3.DCA3.gblx.net (67.17.108.134)". The next one, while assigned to us at the top level, has been assigned by us to our customer, WBS.) He should contact them, though we can't give out our customer contact info.



Also note that it does work when connecting via Phoenix (which routes through ar1.ATL2 rather than ar3.DCA3).

I asked if this is WBS Connect and the reponse was this:

I asked Security, and this is what they said “possibly. it's going to be whoever their (kwsn.net's) hosting provider is

he should work his way up the chain from there.”

Toby...I had PMed you from Rosetta about this yesterday. Maybe this will help tracking down the offending router that is blocking access. I think I have done all that I can for now...

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Clk2HlpSetiCty:::PayIt4ward

Hi all,
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php
is from France(Strasbourg) not connectable since I opened this thread,
slowly I believe that it will never came back, because the providers are in a struggle with each other...

heinz

Hi all,
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php
is from France(Strasbourg) not connectable since I opened this thread,
slowly I believe that it will never came back, because the providers are in a struggle with each other...

heinz

Heinz...do a tracert from your location, if you haven't, and post the results. Does it fail at the same IP that everyone else that is having problems with?

Jon

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Clk2HlpSetiCty:::PayIt4ward

Hi, here is the tracert
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C:\\Dokumente und Einstellungen\\heinz>tracert lunatics.kwsn.net

Routenverfolgung zu lunatics.kwsn.net [206.132.254.42] über maximal 30 Abschnit
te:

1 3134 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 36 ms 39 ms 39 ms AStrasbourg-156-1-64-1.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr [81
.51.87.1]
3 38 ms 35 ms 39 ms 10.224.13.1
4 40 ms 63 ms 39 ms ge-3-2-0-0.nrstr101.Schiltigheim.francetelecom.n
et [193.252.160.78]
5 42 ms 39 ms 39 ms 193.252.100.150
6 39 ms 39 ms 39 ms tengige0-0-0-4.ffttr1.FrankfurtAmMain.opentransi
t.net [193.251.242.190]
7 54 ms 39 ms 47 ms 64.208.110.225
8 132 ms 131 ms 131 ms 64.209.102.222
9 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
10 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
11 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
12 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
13 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
14 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
15 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
16 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
17 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
18 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
19 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
20 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
21 * ^C
C:\\Dokumente und Einstellungen\\heinz>
9 to 20 means timeout

heinz

Hi, here is the tracert
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C:\\Dokumente und Einstellungen\\heinz>tracert lunatics.kwsn.net

Routenverfolgung zu lunatics.kwsn.net [206.132.254.42] über maximal 30 Abschnit
te:

1 3134 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 36 ms 39 ms 39 ms AStrasbourg-156-1-64-1.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr [81
.51.87.1]
3 38 ms 35 ms 39 ms 10.224.13.1
4 40 ms 63 ms 39 ms ge-3-2-0-0.nrstr101.Schiltigheim.francetelecom.n
et [193.252.160.78]
5 42 ms 39 ms 39 ms 193.252.100.150
6 39 ms 39 ms 39 ms tengige0-0-0-4.ffttr1.FrankfurtAmMain.opentransi
t.net [193.251.242.190]
7 54 ms 39 ms 47 ms 64.208.110.225
8 132 ms 131 ms 131 ms 64.209.102.222
9 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
10 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
11 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
12 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
13 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
14 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
15 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
16 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
17 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
18 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
19 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
20 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung.
21 * ^C
C:\\Dokumente und Einstellungen\\heinz>
9 to 20 means timeout

heinz

Yep...same IP.

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Clk2HlpSetiCty:::PayIt4ward

Yep...same IP.

So who the heck controls that IP addy??

64.209.102.222

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Yep...same IP.

So who the heck controls that IP addy??

64.209.102.222

Whois shows:

OrgName: Global Crossing
OrgID: GBLX
Address: 14605 South 50th Street
City: Phoenix
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85044-6471
Country: US

[ ... Global (except Lunatics) Crossing... ? ;D ]

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

BTW @ Heinz .... Building a server aren't you ? run a dns thingamybob on it and you'll probably be able to get to Lunatics again ....

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Yep...same IP.

So who the heck controls that IP addy??

64.209.102.222

As I said before, GC is assigned the IP at the top level, from their customer, WBS. See here.

Toby is going to have to take this up with whomever is hosting the site.

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Clk2HlpSetiCty:::PayIt4ward

Yep...same IP.

So who the heck controls that IP addy??

64.209.102.222

Whois shows:

OrgName: Global Crossing
OrgID: GBLX
Address: 14605 South 50th Street
City: Phoenix
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85044-6471
Country: US

So does anybody have some leverage with GC (get their bandwidth from them) that can push the issue?
Or does GC not provide service directly to end users?

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

anybody tried putting lunatics.kwsn.net in your hosts file ? ... the address is 206.132.254.42

[just a thought] ... [Scratch that .. it goes to kwsn website instead :(]

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

anybody tried putting lunatics.kwsn.net in your hosts file ? ... the address is 206.132.254.42

[just a thought] ... [Scratch that .. it goes to kwsn website instead :(]

It's not a problem with DNS, the IP address is available otherwise traceroutes wouldn't even start. The difficulty is that they've broken the web such that it isn't routing through alternate paths as it should.

                                                              Joe

It's not a problem with DNS, the IP address is available otherwise traceroutes wouldn't even start. The difficulty is that they've broken the web such that it isn't routing through alternate paths as it should.

                                                              Joe

Aah I see. And here I thought the web routing bit was 'sposed to adapt in case of breakages like nuclear attack or something ... I guess they forgot to mention that requires people to push the right buttons.

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

anybody tried putting lunatics.kwsn.net in your hosts file ? ... the address is 206.132.254.42

[just a thought] ... [Scratch that .. it goes to kwsn website instead :(]

It's not a problem with DNS, the IP address is available otherwise traceroutes wouldn't even start. The difficulty is that they've broken the web such that it isn't routing through alternate paths as it should.

                                                              Joe

I don't get it, all the weeks, people complain that Lunatics is out 'the air' .
Traced it too, no problems??? (Even now the KPN reprted big problems yesterday and isn't still fixed completely.)

haven't had a single problem from Holland, that is, but since it's even further, kind off weird, logical thinking doesn't help on that one.


Other people from ' the rest off the world, haven't reported problems. I noticed
*** Keep On Crunching ***

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Traceroute has started ...

traceroute to lunatics.kwsn.net (206.132.254.42), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.254.254 (192.168.254.254) 33.696 ms 8.690 ms 1.238 ms
2 74-47-96-1.dr02.kgmn.az.frontiernet.net (74.47.96.1) 164.500 ms 81.449 ms 13.196 ms
3 * * *
4 so-0-0-0--0.cr02.plal.ca.frontiernet.net (74.40.4.9) 69.199 ms 44.370 ms 44.368 ms
5 so-7-0-0--0.br01.plal.ca.frontiernet.net (74.40.3.170) 53.501 ms 40.575 ms 41.477 ms
6 208.49.158.141 (208.49.158.141) 43.264 ms 47.595 ms 45.745 ms
7 64.209.99.54 (64.209.99.54) 83.476 ms 83.272 ms 81.606 ms GC IP
8 xconn.core2-edge1.atl.oneringnetworks.net (66.187.176.5) 82.102 ms 83.833 ms 83.930 ms
9 xconn.dktc-56m.atl.oneringnetworks.net (66.187.178.58) 84.944 ms 89.218 ms 84.565 ms
10 beat42.gzz.cyb.cream.spectacularrebeats.net (206.132.254.42) 83.950 ms 82.952 ms 84.544 ms

I do go through Global Crossing as well, but on a different IP address than a lot of people.

OrgName: Global Crossing
OrgID: GBLX
Address: 14605 South 50th Street
City: Phoenix
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85044-6471
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.gblx.net:4321

NetRange: 64.208.0.0 - 64.209.127.255
CIDR: 64.208.0.0/16, 64.209.0.0/17
NetName: GBLX-11A
NetHandle: NET-64-208-0-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NAME.ROC.GBLX.NET
NameServer: NAME.PHX.GBLX.NET
NameServer: NAME.SNV.GBLX.NET
NameServer: NAME.JFK1.GBLX.NET
Comment: THESE ADDRESSES ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2000-03-15
Updated: 2007-08-29

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I don't get it, all the weeks, people complain that Lunatics is out 'the air' .
Traced it too, no problems??? (Even now the KPN reprted big problems yesterday and isn't still fixed completely.)

Until one week ago I didn't have any problems reaching it either... Then my ISP changed (old ISP bought by another company last year, but now they want customers to use the ISP they already had) and I get stopped at same IP:
6 47 ms 48 ms 41 ms te1-3.ar3.CPH1.gblx.net [64.215.27.125]
7 145 ms 149 ms 141 ms 64.209.102.222
8 * * * Request timed out.

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Windows: "Where do you want to go today?"
Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?"
...
FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?"
"(II) do I need RAC? No, I don't." from FreeBSD Xorg.0.log ;)

This is the one I ran w/ my ISP 2 days ago.

C:\\Documents and Settings\\XXXXX>tracert http://lunatics.kwsn.net

Tracing route to http://lunatics.kwsn.net [206.132.254.42]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms XXXXX (edited)
2 8 ms 2 ms 2 ms XXXXX (edited)
3 15 ms 9 ms 9 ms nv-XXXXX.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [XXXXX] (edited)
4 55 ms 201 ms 307 ms nv-206-107-220-53.dyn.embarqhsd.net [206.107.220
.53]
5 25 ms 19 ms 19 ms sl-gw15-ana-6-0.sprintlink.net [144.223.148.221]

6 25 ms 19 ms 19 ms sl-gw15-ana-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.0.125]
7 25 ms 19 ms 22 ms sl-st25-la-3-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.233]

8 26 ms 19 ms 19 ms sl-st26-la-7-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.11]
9 22 ms 19 ms 20 ms 207.43.189.194
10 25 ms 20 ms 19 ms 208.84.48.234
11 * * * Request timed out.

Whois: 208.84.48.234
Record Type: IP Address

OrgName: WBS Connect, LLC
OrgID: WCL-65
Address: 700 North Colorado Blvd
Address: Suite 307
City: Denver
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80206
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.wbsconnect.com:4321

NetRange: 208.84.48.0 - 208.84.55.255
CIDR: 208.84.48.0/21
OriginAS: AS19080
NetName: NET-WBS-2
NetHandle: NET-208-84-48-0-1
Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: RDNS1.WBSCONNECT.COM
NameServer: RDNS2.WBSCONNECT.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2007-11-01
Updated: 2007-11-01

RTechHandle: ADMIN620-ARIN
RTechName: WBS Arin Admin
RTechPhone: +1-866-927-2669
RTechEmail: hostmaster@wbsconnect.com

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Puhlees....

Let's call a duck a duck.

1.) Both John and I have worked one on one with a Tier 1 (ATT) and/or a Tier 2 (RR) bandwidth provider. Both of them have said that they have no peering disputes currently on their backbone peering connections. I have no reason to assume they are blowing smoke up my wazoo at this point.

2.) GC has said that they don't have a specific reason why any of their Tier 3 customers should be cut off at the moment for any of their border gateways.

3.) The DNS and RDNS records for the Coop/KWSN are messed up (they don't agree). This alone in this day and age is sufficient reason to cause a connection to get dropped at network borders under certain circumstances depending on the preferred route reported to/by BGP.

4.) Nothing is going to happen to correct the problem until the hostee makes a complaint to their hosting service or bandwidth provider and gets a service ticket going to fix the underlying issue.

Alinator

Hi,
since 18 of april the lunatics site is dead for me.. ;-(
and the chance it come back is going to zero.
So i must search a new way to comminicate with the developer team.
It's a little bit pitty, but it looks there is no other way.

heinz