Yeah..Timothy was a bloke wasn't he?

You should know my position on this by now... I'm not a 'chauvinist' nor a 'hypocrite'...

Gods rules are Gods rules, but they only apply to those who choose to follow them...

People might think they are fooling God by changing His rules, but they are only fooling themselves... ;)

uh huh...but Timothy..who wrote that was a bloke.

I could easily claim that god spoke through me when i wrote my post. Doesn't make it true. I think Timothy probably had his own agenda when he wrote that.

No, the Jewish society back 1970 years ago (and the early Christians were nothing else than a Jewish sect) really was that male-oriented. Women were little more than living inventory in the household of the man (see the 10th commandment), and the man only needed to say: "I dismiss you" and they were divorced - while a woman had to fight for being divorced (and then fight to survive alone without being sued for adultery)

I think you just confirmed Es's point. Unless you're saying this "Loving God" of yours will only communicate to humankind where such a skewed relationship between the sexes exist. My sisters don't need that kind of love, and, quite frankly, neither do I.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

uh huh...but Timothy..who wrote that was a bloke.

pssst!

The Apostle Paul wrote that letter to Timothy... ;)

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Unless you're saying [snip]

That God established a chain of command for His people... Then the answer is YES...
That God said that all men own all women... Then the answer is NO... ;)

(Funny how no one ever seems to complain about the military industrial complex chain of command.)

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Well, this might be some evidence of a new earth-like planet outside our own:

'And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away and there was no more sea.' Revelation, Chap. 21, verse 1.

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Islam 101 - seven earths, seven heavens

Qur'an 65:12
Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends all things in (His) Knowledge.

Qur'an 42:29
And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills.

Qur'an 16:49
And to Allah doth obeisance all that is in the heavens and on earth, whether moving (living) creatures or the angels: for none are arrogant (before their Lord).

Yes, I know... This thread is about the Bible, not the Qur'an... ;)

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. . . why's nobody mentioned Ezekiel ?

NASA engineer Josef F. Blumrich - 'The Spaceships of Ezekiel'

. . . Blumrich notes that he began researching the topic in response to Erich von Daniken's book 'Chariots of the Gods'. In the forward to his book, Blumrich states that he "began to read von Daniken with the condescending attitude of someone who knows beforehand that the conclusions presented can by no means be correct."

In otherwords, he thought von Daniken was full of it and was going to set out to prove it scientifically.

. . . What he found, after an extensive amount of research from an engineering point of view, was just the opposite. He went from an extreme skeptic to becoming convinced that the book of Ezekiel was a real accurate and detailed account of an encounter with extraterrestrial visitors. Very interesting coming from a person who is not a religious zealot by any means and is about as far as you can get from a gullible person who might be prone to jump to conclusions.

Since Blumrich has already done an outstanding job in analyzing the whole book of Ezekiel, I'm not going to reinvent the wheel by doing that here. But so you can see what I'm referring to, I will post a passage by passage analysis of Ezekiel chapter one that is based on the work of Blumrich. The text shown below isn't directly from Blumrich's book (which contains much, much more detail than I could ever present here) but is instead a capsulization of Blumrich's conclusions as presented in another very interesting book entitled: Extraterrestrials in Biblical Prophesy by G. Cope Schellhorn, pages 106-108: see Link above . . .

> interpretation: _______________[your conclusions]__________________

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. . . why's nobody mentioned Ezekiel ?

Ezekiel had a vision... Visions are open to interpretation... ;)

(However, I am a Zecharia Sitchin fan.)

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So...I wonder how this thread went from being about the Bible mentioning ET....to a discussion of the Bible being sexist....

One thing I have to make note of....men wanted to keep their women beneath them when the Bible was written....and all of the books of the Bible were written by men...coincidence...yeah right.....lol

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One thing I have to make note of....men wanted to keep their women beneath them when the Bible was written....and all of the books of the Bible were written by men...coincidence...yeah right.....

One of the points that is always skipped over is that the bible is a collection of books/pamphlets/letters and the selectors made choices from the available literature for inclusion.

Many Gospels that were circulating were excluded, some we only know about from the writings that condemn the content of a particular document.

And there is remnant of the "The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene ...

We do not know of documents that were not commented on, or we have not found a fragment of, and so, it is entirely possible that the church that Constantine set up to support his centralized state with its patriarchal structure deliberately set out to destroy any documents created by women.

There are passages that indicated in the very early church that women were just as likely to be the leader of a gathering as a man ... but, that as the church became more "organized" women were marginalized ...

I always thought it was because most men can't stand the competition ... but that is just me ... :)

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@Taurus: > How could one see all the kingdoms of the world from an exceedingly high mountain unless the world was flat?

What a kind of question ;-)
It is, because YOU are not able to see any other than FLAT THINGS, when you are looking down from the top of a mountain. Did you ever reach any top? You should have seen this ;-)

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There are passages that indicated in the very early church that women were just as likely to be the leader of a gathering as a man

From the Gnostic bible, I present to you, the Gospel of Thomas:

114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

I wouldn't recommend using any 'lost scripture' to support your claim... There are many reasons why those books were omitted, but none of them had anything to do with the oppression of women... ;)

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[quote]So...I wonder how this thread went from being about the Bible mentioning ET....to a discussion of the Bible being sexist....

One thing I have to make note of....men wanted to keep their women beneath them when the Bible was written....and all of the books of the Bible were written by men...coincidence...yeah right.....lol[/quot

What about the Book of Ruth. Wasn't that written by a woman?

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Eleanor Roosevelt.

I wouldn't recommend using any 'lost scripture' to support your claim... There are many reasons why those books were omitted, but none of them had anything to do with the oppression of women... ;)

I am not making much of a claim, other than the inclusion and exclusion of content tailors the message. And that begs the question, if the message has been tailored, is it still the message that Jesus was preaching?

The proclaimed reasons people give for doing things rarely makes any sense at all ... so, the professed reasons for the inclusion / exclusion may or may not be the actual (or the complete reason) for the action.

The only claim I really make is that the document that some feel has been carefully crafted according to a "master plan" has not really looked carefully at the history and the number of versions of individual gospels and the number of documents that were excluded ... and we today have no idea how large a universe that is because there was a dedicated effort to find and destroy those "unfit" documents...

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. . . i've read Mary Called Magdalene . . . have you ?

This is a novel about doubt that becomes faith as an ordinary woman is swept up in the current of extraordinary circumstances. Margaret George uses biblical and scholarly texts

to add depth and detail to her largely imagined story. Little is known about Mary Magdalene since all we have are the brief mentions of her in the New Testament.


George presents a different vision of Mary than the prostitute she has been depicted as these many years. George's Mary is a complex woman who grapples with her place in a male-driven society.

As a girl Mary wishes to study Torah, a role forbidden to her as a girl. Mary finds an idol, and though she knows it is forbidden to her she cannot part with it. She becomes possessed by demons,

which she attributes to the forbidden idol, and as she grows older and marries the demons continue to haunt her. Just as she is at her breaking point, Jesus drives her demons away.


After Jesus rids her of demons Mary is cast out from her family, and Mary follows Jesus even when they receive unfriendly, unwanted attention from the skeptics and the Roman authorities

controlling Jerusalem. Mary, despite her guilt at leaving her young daughter behind, remains with Jesus until his crucifixion. When Jesus is resurrected and appears before her,

Mary can no longer doubt Jesus' true identity. She becomes a leader among the disciples after his death.

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What about the Book of Ruth. Wasn't that written by a woman?

The author is unknown... But Ruth is an excellent example showing that one doesn't need to look 'outside' the bible to realize that this whole 'oppression of woman due to religion' thing has been blown way out of proportion... ;)

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What about the Book of Ruth. Wasn't that written by a woman?

The author is unknown... But Ruth is an excellent example showing that one doesn't need to look 'outside' the bible to realize that this whole 'oppression of woman due to religion' thing has been blown way out of proportion... ;)

LMAO!!

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'oppression of woman due to religion' thing has been blown way out of proportion... ;)

Spoken like a true man ...

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Spoken like a true man ...

How do you know that I'm not a woman? ;)

Ladies Against Feminism

When the Pharisees boasted about their own keeping of man-made regulations and traditions, Christ showed them that they had missed the point, which is obedience to God's commands out of a heart that loves and adores Him--not a heart that keeps a running tally of its own merits

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Spoken like a true man ...

How do you know that I'm not a woman? ;)

Ladies Against Feminism

When the Pharisees boasted about their own keeping of man-made regulations and traditions, Christ showed them that they had missed the point, which is obedience to God's commands out of a heart that loves and adores Him--not a heart that keeps a running tally of its own merits

That woman is a little confused. She calls her site 'ladies against feminism' then goes and the comes out with a fair bit of feminism herself.

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Are you a woman Jeffrey?