So why do some of you continue to expect rational activities from people who worship imaginary beings?

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Qur'an 41:44
Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger) an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"

Qur'an 2:6-7
As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

Romans 11:8
as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day."


I / We understand... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

So why do some of you continue to expect rational activities from people who worship imaginary beings?

It's more enlightening than expecting rational activities from imaginary people.

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So why do some of you continue to expect rational activities from people who worship imaginary beings?

It's more enlightening than expecting rational activities from imaginary people.

With 2007 years worth of atrocities committed by the hands of christians, one has to wonder just how much more enlightening you need...

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With 2007 years worth of atrocities committed by the hands of christians, one has to wonder just how much more enlightening you need...

Oh...small steps in the right direction.
It's not too far from acknowledging the fact that atrocities occur to understanding people's rage over that fact.
C'mon boy, one step at a time. We'll get you there. C'mon.

Oh...small steps in the right direction. [snip]
C'mon boy, one step at a time. We'll get you there. C'mon.

'One step forward, two steps back'... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

'I hate God because people are mean to me! Why o why would He allow it?' <--- See how silly that sounds? ;)

(Answer: FREEWILL, it's a two way street.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

With 2007 years worth of atrocities committed by the hands of christians, one has to wonder just how much more enlightening you need...

Oh...small steps in the right direction.
It's not too far from acknowledging the fact that atrocities occur to understanding people's rage over that fact.
C'mon boy, one step at a time. We'll get you there. C'mon.

Apparently you failed to see the point...imagine my surprise

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So why do some of you continue to expect rational activities from people who worship imaginary beings?

It's more enlightening than expecting rational activities from imaginary people.

With 2007 years worth of atrocities committed by the hands of christians, one has to wonder just how much more enlightening you need...

I heard that was all a vicious rumor.

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me@rescam.org

So why do some of you continue to expect rational activities from people who worship imaginary beings?

It's more enlightening than expecting rational activities from imaginary people.

With 2007 years worth of atrocities committed by the hands of christians, one has to wonder just how much more enlightening you need...

I heard that was all a vicious rumor.

I heard that too, but I'm a non-believer :)

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Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them... ;)

An orange a day keeps the scurvy away. ;)

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Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them... ;)

An orange a day keeps the scurvy away. ;)

Prunes!

James 4:1-4
What causes wars, and what causes fightings among you? Is it not your passions that are at war in your members? You desire and do not have; so you kill. And you covet and cannot obtain; so you fight and wage war. You do not have, because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. Unfaithful creatures! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Good question... Great answer... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

James 4:1-4
What causes wars, and what causes fightings among you? Is it not your passions that are at war in your members? You desire and do not have; so you kill. And you covet and cannot obtain; so you fight and wage war. You do not have, because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. Unfaithful creatures! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Good question... Great answer... ;)

But it is meant in the context to John 7:7, isn't it?

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the context to John 7:7

John 7:6-8
Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify of it that its works are evil. Go to the feast yourselves; I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come."

John 15:18-19
"If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."

Yep, that's what happens when you 'take up your cross and follow Jesus' like a true disciple... ;)

(Of course, there's always that other jesus, the gospel perverted. The world simply adores that jesus.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Atheists are evolving, too

By Jai Ghorpade

November 15, 2007

Through the years, atheists have been widely treated with contempt and fear. But things are changing.

Approximately half the population is now tolerant of atheists. Books in praise of atheism have made it into prestigious best-seller lists. Emboldened by these developments, atheists are now asserting themselves and demanding a place at the table in the nation's body politic. The Internet is filled with reports of meetings and conferences of atheists. Lobbyists are being recruited to promote atheist causes in Congress. Billboards with atheist beliefs are being placed around the country. There is even an “out campaign” to get closet atheists to come out into the open. An interesting feature of this movement is that atheists are presenting themselves blatantly as atheists, rather than hiding behind a more neutral label such as freethinkers.

Is this movement of any consequence or is it just noise? It will depend on how atheists deal with a number of issues.

If atheists are going to band together and seek a place in society's governance, the question inevitably arises: What do you have to offer as a group in the form of public policy ideas that are an improvement over what already exists? And on this critical issue there is a problem; it is nicely captured by Austin Cline of the Council for Secular Humanism. He points out that atheism currently is a minor “ism” or “a state, condition, attribute or quality” of an individual such as heroism, pauperism and astigmatism rather than a major ism or “. . .a distinctive doctrine, theory, system or practice,” such as in liberalism, communism and Catholicism. As of now, atheism is a way of thinking about certain aspects of the world – it emphasizes rational, critical and independent thinking without relying on creeds, dogmas, tradition or emotion. The central challenge faced by atheists is that they need to provide better answers to questions endemic to the human condition: Who are we? Where did we come from? How shall we live our lives? How should society be organized? Where are we going after death?

A critical part of this challenge is for atheists to explain in simple, moral terms why they consider rejection of God, the essence of atheism, to be good for humankind. Atheists must go beyond dethroning scriptural deities and demonstrate why the concept of God in any form is not acceptable to them, if that is their point.

Atheists also need to be more fair and balanced in their attacks on religion. According to the World Christian Encyclopedia, there are more than 9,000 religions, with much diversity among them, ranging from those that are not God-centered (some forms of Buddhism and Jainism) to exploitive forms of fundamentalist religions, such as the Taliban. In-between are Unitarian Universalists and liberal Protestant congregations that promote an agenda of inclusiveness. In spite of this diversity, luminaries of the atheist movement attack religion as if it were a unified whole, and as being the source of all evil in society. Consider the following statement made by a Nobel Laureate and quoted approvingly by Dawkins: “With or without [religion] you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion.” Oh, really? How about the evil done by communists who were staunch atheists?

Atheism by itself is a hard sell. Its central message – there is no God – still puzzles and frightens many people. If atheists wish to become a significant player in influencing the course of human lives, they need a manifesto that provides better answers to life's fundamental questions than those provided by religion – a daunting task given that nearly two-thirds of our citizens (and at least three of the Republican presidential candidates) reject evolution as an explanation of the origins of life.

- Ghorpade is emeritus professor of management at San Diego State University and has written frequently on religion.

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Just found while I was browsing the Internet for bible quotes:


For those of you that are not following the recent controversy that has to do with Laura Schlessinger: she is a radio personality who dispenses Advice to people who call in to her radio show. Paramount Television Group is currently producing a "Dr. Laura" television show. Recently she has become a convert to Judaism and has made some statements about homosexuals that have caused the Canadian anti-hate laws to censure her. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet.... ENJOY.

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

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Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. [snip]
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Gods word IS eternal and unchanging, 'cept by God Himself... The problem is that people only choose to follow 'part' of His word... Punishment for sin was mans responsibility according to the Torah (old testament, old covenant)... Punishment for sin is now left to God as we learned from the Gospels (new testament, new covenant)... Both of which, were confirmed and unchanged in the Qur'an (final testament)... There was a 'transfer of responsibility', but Gods laws have never changed... ;)

(God provided us with the updates, some of us just refuse to install the new software.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

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(God provided us with the updates, some of us just refuse to install the new software.)

Did god rush out the rules too quickly the first time? What service pack are we on now?

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