SNIP..

You don't have to, ask cRunchy, he knows.

How come only a small percentage of your active team members post on your teamboard? You are family according to cRunchy, you don't welcome people to the family?

Oh poo Fuzzy. I never said my team was a family that Fuzzy could attack. I said my team was "my family"...

Please stop using me as a battering ram for your own politics.

For me my team is my family. That does not mean others will feel the same thing. Other members of TFFE treat the group in their own way.

Do you dislike my affiliations?

Please do not hammer other people because of anything I said.

It seems we (cRunchy and Fuzzy) are in some kind of battle.

I don't want to fight anymore.

The meaning of Orgil's thread is more important to me..



Regards.

Ahhhhh cRunchy, pooohhhh!

I'm happy times have changed for you, cRunchy, that you now feel you are sitting at the table. You know very well what I am talking about, I have the emails to show. :-)

Of course you can always make a new caption competition and give a t-shirt to the winner to attract people to this project and board. :-)

Of course you can always make a new caption competition and give a t-shirt to the winner to attract people to this project and board. :-)

[If you PM me I will send you a cuddly toy.

Theories are just theories. Your hangup seems to be sexism. Mine is our fascination with letters and people with degrees. I think it is reflective of our own collective insecurities (men and women) that we always want to quote people that are deemed "intelligent" because they have extra letters in their name. We give extra weight to them and what they say because we feel that they've gone through the proper training to have a greater understanding on things than us "wee little people", which may not entirely be true. How many scientists overlook the obvious because they were actually thinking too hard? How many "simple" minded people does it take to see the obvious? Or perhaps those "simple" minded people aren't so simple minded at all. My argument remains overly-simplistic purposely, but I'm sure you catch my drift.

I prefer to stand on my own, and I only offer links to what other people say if it is an absolute must. Otherwise, I tend not to put much faith into anything, including science.

True, you didn't. But, in a way, you did imply it, given the above example about how you feel this place is hostile to the topic. That certainly alludes me to think that you must feel quite a few men here don't like feminism.

Oh, and I don't think SETI is the ghetto of forums. You should see some of the Professional Wrestling websites I've visited.

I certainly think it applies to more people around here than it does me, and I think my posts prove it. I don't have many posts in these sections of the board to begin with, so I can't say that I'm on any sort of warpath (haha! I'm a Native American that's not on the "warpath"!).

Our understanding of anything Quantum seems immensely primitive. Again, I don't put much faith into anything. I simply see and observe. Many times quietly.

Well I remember once having a 3 week tournament with Rush about global warming until I realised I was banging my head against a brick wall :D

...I just feel there is a need for it here, and it is very challenging to hone ones debating skills in an arena that is essentially hostile to the topic...which also suggests that there is a place for it here.

I felt bad for you as well. I had hoped that just once you would present an argument instead of statements of your opinion and belief, but no, that was not to occur. 8^]

[If you PM me I will send you a cuddly toy.

I expect to pass through
this world but once,
Any good thing therefore
That I can do,
or any kindness
That I can show to a
Fellow human being...

Let me do it now,
Let me not defer or
Neglect it, for
I shall not pass
this way again...

And they who
hinder my aim,
they will not pass
or break my wish,
to serve and gladden
and bring a smile with joy.

Well it is an area of interest among many I have.. just one that I feel needs to be talked about at the moment. Being one of those people with lots of letters after their name I have some understanding of how much work people do put into these theories. They generally do try to back them up with research and evidence. Doesn't mean that someone without the letters can't reach their own just as valid conclusion.

I wouldn't consider science a faith based discipline.

Only based on my experience of hostile comments and insults on this board every time the topic has been bought up. When people get rabidly abusive and call you vile names simply for bringing the topic up..you tend to get the impression that there is a certain amount of hostility to feminism. I am glad to see that this discussion has remained civil. I think it is a first and to be honest I was half expecting my thread to be deleted on sight based on past experience.

I am sure they are quite as bad as the gaming ones I visit.

My experience of Native Americans is limited to some family members and a couple of friends..and none of them seem particularly warpathy.

I observe, I comment and am usually surprised by the amount of vitriol aimed at me over a message board. :D

Well I remember once having a 3 week tournament with Rush about global warming until I realised I was banging my head against a brick wall :D

I felt bad for you as well. I had hoped that just once you would present an argument instead of statements of your opinion and belief, but no, that was not to occur. 8^]

...I just feel there is a need for it here, and it is very challenging to hone ones debating skills in an arena that is essentially hostile to the topic...which also suggests that there is a place for it here.

Exactly.

SNIP..

You don't have to, ask cRunchy, he knows.

How come only a small percentage of your active team members post on your teamboard? You are family according to cRunchy, you don't welcome people to the family?

Oh poo Fuzzy. I never said my team was a family that Fuzzy could attack. I said my team was "my family"...

Please stop using me as a battering ram for your own politics.

For me my team is my family. That does not mean others will feel the same thing. Other members of TFFE treat the group in their own way.

Do you dislike my affiliations?

Please do not hammer other people because of anything I said.

It seems we (cRunchy and Fuzzy) are in some kind of battle.

I don't want to fight anymore.

The meaning of Orgil's thread is more important to me..



Regards.

Ahhhhh cRunchy, pooohhhh!

I'm happy times have changed for you, cRunchy, that you now feel you are sitting at the table. You know very well what I am talking about, I have the emails to show. :-)

Of course you can always make a new caption competition and give a t-shirt to the winner to attract people to this project and board. :-)

You are the winner Fuzzy.

I have my own table to sit at but you win and I loose.

It is OK.

I am glad you saved my e.mails. It kind of gives me a history.

The e.mails you refer to were from a very long time ago but I hope they were positive.

You are right about me. I do run competitions once in a while in my team forum.

I do it because I want to give something back to my team. Other people in the team pay for our forums. More people make my team special by just joining in

If I run a T-Shirt competition every once in a while it gives me some pleasure.

I'm not sure there is any evil intent in what I do.

Of course you can always make a new caption competition and give a t-shirt to the winner to attract people to this project and board. :-)

If you are suggesting the SETI project would benefit from a competition I think you are right.

The statistics speak for themselves.

SETI and inevitably these forums are very English speaking. They are mostly male, educated and western.

As a male, educated westerner I feel no shame.

I also feel no shame for wanting more.


Orgil gave us an excellent question.

Some will think the forums are fine as they are.

Some will want the forums to evolve.



Me... Well I have never been quoted by so many in a thread before.

I don't think I am worthy but thank you anyway Fuzzy n people.

If you PM me I will send you a cuddly toy.

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Well I remember once having a 3 week tournament with Rush about global warming until I realised I was banging my head against a brick wall :D

I felt bad for you as well. I had hoped that just once you would present an argument instead of statements of your opinion and belief, but no, that was not to occur. 8^]

...I just feel there is a need for it here, and it is very challenging to hone ones debating skills in an arena that is essentially hostile to the topic...which also suggests that there is a place for it here.

Exactly.

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

snip stuff..

Oh pooo, cRunchy,

I'm happy that you are happy. :-)
...

snip stuff..

Oh pooo, cRunchy,

I'm happy that you are happy. :-)
...

Happiness is a loving thing.

I wish we could be happy more often.

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

I get modded whenever I point out that this feminist hate filled person has two identies. Why's that?

Well, I think it's great that you have many interests. Just don't let those letters go to your head. I understand the processes of science myself, and I can respect the work one does to produce theories and such. Please don't misunderstand my position that I am against people with letters. I'm simply against the fact that people give too much weight to people with letters when they're still human.

Are you sure it was due to feminism to begin with? Was it because you felt disrespected in a different topic thread, so you created a feminism thread under the wrong impression, to which your adversary thought you were way off base? Did they make their cases worse by feeding into this thought process even though it may not be how they truly feel?

Wow! That many Native Americans around you? And here I thought we were a dying breed. 8-)

That's unfortunate. Perhaps taking a step back instead of feeling the need to defend yourself would be a good suggestion. Sometimes, it's best to just let your words stand on their own. No matter how strong your case, sometimes you just get into a debate with no end and you just have to know when it's time to stop. There will be people that agree with you and feel you did an excellent job, and then there will always be people that disagree with you and think you're off your rocker. With any hope (in humanity!), they will still treat and respect you as an individual.

And that last bit of advice indeed applies to me this time. 8-)

it's best to just let your words stand on their own.

[If you PM me I will send you a cuddly toy.

I expect to pass through
this world but once,
Any good thing therefore
That I can do,
or any kindness
That I can show to a
Fellow human being...

Let me do it now,
Let me not defer or
Neglect it, for
I shall not pass
this way again...

And they who
hinder my aim,
they will not pass
or break my wish,
to serve and gladden
and bring a smile with joy.

I guess I might look strange to other people but your post was lovely Ice.

You made me smile.

That is the most important thing to me ever.

cRunchy

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm

I presented many arguments to support my position..including facts to back them up. I think you were perhaps confused by the way I phrased it. Possible in the usual feminine way of prefixing a statements with 'I think' or 'perhaps it is that'. That would be your bias as to what makes a 'proper' discussion and no way reflects on any points I did and have made. You and I will differ on one fundamental assertion. I do not believe that any opinion can be objective and I will frame my discussions with this in mind. You however are under the apparent delusion that the human mind can be 'objective' and that there is an 'objective' reality to present arguments about.

So your attempts to set the agenda and the style of debate were actually perceived as hostile by many..and in my opinion (again the feminine disclaimer)were sheer arrogance. :)

I get modded whenever I point out that this feminist hate filled person has two identies. Why's that?

I dunno... But apparently, this post was an exception... ;)