If time is effected by proximity to mass, are the planets at the center of a galaxies core progressing faster than we are out here on a spiral arm? And if yes, does it all equal out upon travel and contact?

If no, how far are we behind?

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36 views and no thoughts?

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Oh all right then. Time passes slower at a point observed from somewhere higher in a gravitational field. Thus time will pass a little slower on a planet of the same size much nearer the galactic centre as seen from Earth. Not I imagine very much though.

Thanks Michael Roberts!

I thought time went faster near higher mass/gravitation?

The speculations about time time differentials from earth time and a manned space craft sent to alpha centauri and back was pretty great. Was your comment about the differential being small relative to a big picture?

Thanks again.

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Thanks Michael Roberts!

I thought time went faster near higher mass/gravitation?

The speculations about time time differentials from earth time and a manned space craft sent to alpha centauri and back was pretty great. Was your comment about the differential being small relative to a big picture?

Thanks again.

If I have it right, the clocks will run slower in the high mass area than in the low mass area. Just as they run slower on a very high speed spacecraft.

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Thanks John McLeod VII,

Can anyone else confirm?

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In Sagan's "Cosmos," there was a scene where a young man goes for a moped ride around his sleepy Italian town. He goes near the speed of light. When he returns, he finds the younger brother he left to wait for him in the center of town is now 70-80 years old.
Of course, part of my letter to Sagan when I was an 8th grader was to ask why ... when the moped rider passes a woman hanging laundry on the outskirts of town ... the woman whips her head around to watch him whizzing by ... I asked why was she not instead coming out each day thinking: "When is that slow kid ever going to pass my house?" (See, I had this idea that the woman and the younger brother of the moped rider would be in the same temporal frame and stuff.)

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For her to see him pass at TSOL she'd have to be moving with him, or near to his speed to see him. Your right. No way she could have seen him pass. Probably a little comedy relief from the director...

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Isn’t the concentration of normal (baryonic) matter at the center of the galaxy somewhat misleading? If I understand it properly, the galaxy is mostly evenly diffused dark matter, which reacts gravitationally with the galaxy like normal matter does but is otherwise invisible - that’s why stars on the outer regions of the galaxy circle the core at approximately the same velocities as further in.

So wouldn’t local conditions (say, solar system scale) have a much larger effect that larger (galactic core) scales?

On the other hand, if one were in a tight orbit just outside of the event horizon around the monster black hole that probably lies at the galaxy’s center, time dilation would come into strong effect. (Though, I suspect that consulting your clocks would be the least of your concerns at that point!)

I'm just thinking out loud here...Darn, why is there never a theoretical physicist around when ya want one!

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Interesting!

I'll email a few Theoretical Physicists about it and see what they have to say. Dark matter is an interesting deal! Hawking overturned his old black hole theory. I'll have to have a look at his site about the progress of the new theory.

Cool blog entries here at top right:


http://www.myspace.com/stephenblackhole

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Interesting!

I'll email a few Theoretical Physicists about it and see what they have to say. Dark matter is an interesting deal! Hawking overturned his old black hole theory. I'll have to have a look at his site about the progress of the new theory.

Cool blog entries here at top right:


http://www.myspace.com/stephenblackhole

Good grief, dude, never make the mistake of thinking that I have any idea what I'm talking about because I don't.

All I know is the pap I read in pop-science books...

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Interesting!

I'll email a few Theoretical Physicists about it and see what they have to say. Dark matter is an interesting deal! Hawking overturned his old black hole theory. I'll have to have a look at his site about the progress of the new theory.

Cool blog entries here at top right:


http://www.myspace.com/stephenblackhole

Good grief, dude, never make the mistake of thinking that I have any idea what I'm talking about because I don't.

All I know is the pap I read in pop-science books...

I don't believe that.

Interesting article:

http://metaresearch.org/msgboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=979

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Oooooo:

http://metaresearch.org/msgboard/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2619482002571984499&q=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1493340135675944573&q=en

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Oooooo:

http://metaresearch.org/msgboard/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2619482002571984499&q=en

© From the private collection of Professor Yang

The two scientists Lee and Yang, of course, predicted broken symmetry in physics back in the early 50s (particularly 1956 and early 57). So startling was this proposed giant revolution in physics -- if real -- that experimenters promptly proved it (Wu and her colleagues proved it experimentally in Feb. 1957). Again, this was such a giant revolution in physics that with unprecedented speed the Nobel Committee then awarded the Nobel Prize to Lee and Yang, in Dec. 1957. And since then, the implications of that vast revolution in all of physics has not even made it across the campus from the physics department to the electrical engineering department. (Nobel Prize Awarded To Lee and Yang [1] [2])

It reminds me of the invention of amorphous semiconductors by Ovshinsky. “Everybody knew” that a semiconductor had to have a crystalline structure, and – so they said – Ovshinsky was either a fool or a charlatan. They called him every name in the book, etc. But he persisted, and finally a Japanese company funded the effort. Then one day our beloved scientific community awoke to find that all the Xerox machines had Ovshinsky amorphous semiconductors in them and those semiconductors were working just fine. Bummer! No one ever apologized to Ovshinsky (who is doing well and still has his website, his company, and good success, etc.). But gradually the youngsters did doctoral theses on amorphous semiconductors and post docs got amorphous semiconductor programs funded to do work in. So that’s how our scientific community “discovered” and gradually adopted amorphous semiconductors. (The Amorphous Semiconductor; Stanford Ovshinsky)


As Max Planck once said,

"An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning." (Max Planck, as quoted in G. Holton, Thematic Origins of Scientific Thought, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1973.[(Wikipedia)])

Energy from the vacuum is another such area. It firmly exists in modern particle physics, and just as firmly is excluded from the old CEM/EE model and thus from all electrical power engineering. (The Energetic Vacuum by Hal Puthoff; and A Commentary On Vacuum Energy by Mark A. Solis.)


As Davies points out:

"What might appear to be empty space is, therefore, a seething ferment of virtual particles. A vacuum is not inert and featureless, but alive with throbbing energy and vitality. A 'real' particle such as an electron must always be viewed against this background of frenetic activity. When an electron moves through space, it is actually swimming in a sea of ghost particles of all varieties – virtual leptons, quarks, and messengers, entangled in a complex mêlée. The presence of the electron will distort this irreducible vacuum activity, and the distortion in turn reacts back on the electron. Even at rest, an electron is not at rest: it is being continually assaulted by all manner of other particles from the vacuum." (Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of Nature, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1984, p. 105).


McCarthy and Steorn apparently do not realize that (1) a magnetic pole is actually a magnetic charge, and separated opposite poles are separated opposite magnetic charges (a magnetic dipole), (2) the proven Lee-Yang broken symmetry of any magnetic dipole continually absorbs ordered virtual energy (ordered individual virtual photons) from the seething interactive vacuum, integrates this ordered virtual energy coherently into quantum energy, and re-emits real observable photons in all directions in a steady stream. That follows from solving the “source charge problem” of how any and every static charge just sits there and continues to pour out real observable EM energy (it’s quite measurable!) but without any observable energy input (i.e., the input energy is there and nonobservable, hence virtual, else every charge creates energy from nothing and experimentally demolishes the entire energy conservation law – and therefore demolishes most of present physics and thermodynamics).

Any “isolated” charge polarizes its surrounding vacuum, and hence is part of a dipolar ensemble. In modern physics, this ensemble (even of a single electron) involves two infinite energy charges, each having infinite energy, but the difference between the two infinite entities is finite. Quoting Nobelist Weinberg:

"[The total energy of the atom] depends on the bare mass and bare charge of the electron, the mass and charge that appear in the equations of the theory before we start worrying about photon emissions and reabsorptions. But free electrons as well as electrons in atoms are always emitting and reabsorbing photons that affect the electron's mass and electric charge, and so the bare mass and charge are not the same as the measured electron mass and charge that are listed in tables of elementary particles. In fact, in order to account for the observed values (which of course are finite) of the mass and charge of the electron, the bare mass and charge must themselves be infinite. The total energy of the atom is thus the sum of two terms, both infinite: the bare energy that is infinite because it depends on the infinite bare mass and charge, and the energy shift … that is infinite because it receives contributions from virtual photons of unlimited energy." [Steven Weinberg, Dreams of a Final Theory, Vintage Books, Random House, 1993, p. 109-110.].


When it appears in the seething vacuum, and while it fleetingly exists, a virtual particle (such as a virtual photon) is totally ordered. Although the entire virtual state vacuum or a large region of it statistically is disordered, each individual temporary virtual particle is totally ordered while it fleetingly exists."

more:
Nobel Prize Winners T.D. Lee and C.K. Yang

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Conversation has just officially passed over my head.

Zoning out. OOOooooooooo.

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An Anti-Matter Universe? - Monday, Aug. 20, 1956

But Goldhaber readily admits that no one has any evidence that an antimatter universe has ever so tampered with the known universe. In fact, man does not now have the evidence—or the tools—to prove or disprove the anti-universe theory. "This is not the kind of debate that is settled overnight," Goldhaber said last week as his fellow scientists began to grapple with his science-fictionlike hypothesis. "I'm only asking a question, not making a statement."

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Good luck, my friend, but I am truly hopeless when it comes to math.

I remember trying to study the calculus in high school. Mostly I remember vaguely appreciating that it was a beautiful thing, and I remember profoundly not understanding it.

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Wow,

We got bumped to the science forum.

Anybody look in these forums any more?

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Anybody look in these forums any more?

It's the pinnacle of forum enlightenment.

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