What makes you like to talk?

I don't like talking much but I know I have so much to say.

It took me a long time in my little life to talk out loud.. Somtimes I wish I hadn't... but occasionally sometimes someone of good heart hears me...

When that happens I know exactly why I like to talk.

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What makes you like to talk?

I don't like talking much but I know I have so much to say.

It took me a long time in my little life to talk out loud.. Somtimes I wish I hadn't... but occasionally sometimes someone of good heart hears me...

When that happens I know exactly why I like to talk.

"Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow . . ."

I am happy to be me.

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What makes you like to talk?

I don't like talking much but I know I have so much to say.

It took me a long time in my little life to talk out loud.. Somtimes I wish I hadn't... but occasionally sometimes someone of good heart hears me...

When that happens I know exactly why I like to talk.

"Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow . . ."

I am happy to be me.

and we arE mighty glad you arE you . . .

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What makes you like to talk?

I don't like talking much but I know I have so much to say.

It took me a long time in my little life to talk out loud.. Somtimes I wish I hadn't... but occasionally sometimes someone of good heart hears me...

When that happens I know exactly why I like to talk.

Hi cRuncy, it's good that people hear you. But it's also good that they listen to what you have to say, rather than just like the sound of their own voices, don't you think?

That is true... No one should ever take away freedom or time from others by talking too much.

Though occasionally there is something that someone has to say that has no reply.

Context and meaning matter.

That is true... No one should ever take away freedom or time from others by talking too much.

Well I'd be more worried about someone stopping me talking, or controlling what I could say, being gagged...

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That is true... No one should ever take away freedom or time from others by talking too much.

Well I'd be more worried about someone stopping me talking, or controlling what I could say, being gagged...

I was attacked violently once because I refused to agree with a gang of National Fronters (British Fascists) that black people were our countries problem..

I don't want them to have the freedom to spread their hate.

I want freedom of speech to be a light that shines well into the future.

I am not sure that quite works in our world or these forums yet..

But it's a hope.

Everything takes time.

Context and meaning really do matter.

I was attacked violently once because I refused to agree with a gang of National Fronters (British Fascists) that black people were our countries problem..

The National Front usually have men in smart suites representing them. Very nice, pleasant - on the outside. But on the inside they are mean, conniving, evil; most unpleasant. Don't be misled by what's on the outside - make sure you check out what is on the inside and what they are 'really' on about.

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I was attacked violently once because I refused to agree with a gang of National Fronters (British Fascists) that black people were our countries problem..

The National Front usually have men in smart suites representing them. Very nice, pleasant - on the outside. But on the inside they are mean, conniving, evil; most unpleasant. Don't be misled by what's on the outside - make sure you check out what is on the inside and what they are 'really' on about.

Are you talking about the political wing called the BNP?

They only sometimes wear shirts and suites...

They mostly wear what ever their target people wear.

That's politics and community inducement.

The NF wear any old clothes on the street.

They hate us because we ask questions.

They are pretty quiet now but waiting.

Every society and community has it's destroyers :o(

Dialogue is about people—listening to them, empathizing with them, and humbling ourselves for a moment that we might understand a different view.

Well said!

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That is true... No one should ever take away freedom or time from others by talking too much.

Well I'd be more worried about someone stopping me talking, or controlling what I could say, being gagged...

The right of 'Freedom of Speech' in the USA means that the government cannot impose prior restraint of speech unless it can show compelling interest in doing so, such as public safety. For instance, there is the old saw that one cannot yell 'fire!' in a movie theater unless there actually is one, since to do so would likely start a panic in which people would likely be injured or killed. Another example would be that one cannot march up and down a street in a residential neighborhood at 3AM while yelling into a bullhorn. People are trying to sleep. Note that this only applies to the government. Institutions and private individuals are free to impose whatever limits they see fit within their own sphere of influence. For instance, you do not have the right, while on my property, to say certain things that I find offensive. Now, if you are out in the street, other laws (such as noise ordinances) might apply, but step onto my property, and I am allowed to restrict it. If you don't leave my property when asked, a quick call to the police will remedy that situation. Also note that 'freedom of speech' does not protect one from being punished for their speech after the fact, for example lawsuits over slander and libel. If you publish something about somebody that they don't like, they are free to sue you for libel. At that point, your only defense is either 1. It is the truth, or 2. If false, there was an absence of malice aforethought on your part. Both conditions can be somewhat tricky to prove, at times.

Freedom of speech is an important right. It allows us to criticize the Government without fearing prosecution. In the private sphere, however, there are many times when it just doesn't apply.

Dialogue is about people—listening to them, empathizing with them, and humbling ourselves for a moment that we might understand a different view.

Well said!

That's a very important point you made there Houdi Elbow. Free speech is not just about the ability to say some words. It's about the respect of those who listen to at least respectfully consider what is said. Not just keep saying what they want others to hear, expecting others to have the respect to listen to their one way dialogue, when they have none and no interest in listening to others.

In other words, at least listen to what others have to say.

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Dialogue is about people—listening to them, empathizing with them, and humbling ourselves for a moment that we might understand a different view.

Well said!

That's a very important point you made there Houdi Elbow. Free speech is not just about the ability to say some words. It's about the respect of those who listen to at least respectfully consider what is said. Not just keep saying what they want others to hear, expecting others to have the respect to listen to their one way dialogue, when they have none and no interest in listening to others.

In other words, at least listen to what others have to say.

This is true...people seem to so aware of their rights..their right to do this and say that..but somewhere along the way they seem to forget that with all rights come responsibilities. Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't necessarily follow that you should.

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Dialogue is about people—listening to them, empathizing with them, and humbling ourselves for a moment that we might understand a different view.

Well said!

That's a very important point you made there Houdi Elbow. Free speech is not just about the ability to say some words. It's about the respect of those who listen to at least respectfully consider what is said. Not just keep saying what they want others to hear, expecting others to have the respect to listen to their one way dialogue, when they have none and no interest in listening to others.

In other words, at least listen to what others have to say.

This is true...people seem to so aware of their rights..their right to do this and say that..but somewhere along the way they seem to forget that with all rights come responsibilities. Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't necessarily follow that you should.

Bravo! Jeez! I like your thinking on that.

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Dialogue is about people—listening to them, empathizing with them, and humbling ourselves for a moment that we might understand a different view.

Well said!

That's a very important point you made there Houdi Elbow. Free speech is not just about the ability to say some words. It's about the respect of those who listen to at least respectfully consider what is said. Not just keep saying what they want others to hear, expecting others to have the respect to listen to their one way dialogue, when they have none and no interest in listening to others.

In other words, at least listen to what others have to say.

This is true...people seem to so aware of their rights..their right to do this and say that..but somewhere along the way they seem to forget that with all rights come responsibilities. Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't necessarily follow that you should.

Bravo! Jeez! I like your thinking on that.

Yes good point. "Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't necessarily follow that you should." I saw someone doing some shoddy work today, but his manager didn't tell him so. No, instead the manager praised him for doing good work. I expect the manager liked the shoddy work that was being done.

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Dialogue is about people—listening to them, empathizing with them, and humbling ourselves for a moment that we might understand a different view.

Why so quiet all of a sudden? ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

That is true... No one should ever take away freedom or time from others by talking too much.

Well I'd be more worried about someone stopping me talking, or controlling what I could say, being gagged...

The right of 'Freedom of Speech' in the USA means that the government cannot impose prior restraint of speech unless it can show compelling interest in doing so, such as public safety. For instance, there is the old saw that one cannot yell 'fire!' in a movie theater unless there actually is one, since to do so would likely start a panic in which people would likely be injured or killed. Another example would be that one cannot march up and down a street in a residential neighborhood at 3AM while yelling into a bullhorn. People are trying to sleep. Note that this only applies to the government. Institutions and private individuals are free to impose whatever limits they see fit within their own sphere of influence. For instance, you do not have the right, while on my property, to say certain things that I find offensive. Now, if you are out in the street, other laws (such as noise ordinances) might apply, but step onto my property, and I am allowed to restrict it. If you don't leave my property when asked, a quick call to the police will remedy that situation. Also note that 'freedom of speech' does not protect one from being punished for their speech after the fact, for example lawsuits over slander and libel. If you publish something about somebody that they don't like, they are free to sue you for libel. At that point, your only defense is either 1. It is the truth, or 2. If false, there was an absence of malice aforethought on your part. Both conditions can be somewhat tricky to prove, at times.

Freedom of speech is an important right. It allows us to criticize the Government without fearing prosecution. In the private sphere, however, there are many times when it just doesn't apply.

Some very good and lucid points, but do they apply to the University of California, Berkeley? No they don't. The salaries of those in administration, the very buildings which house this project, etc. is part of a state institution which is paid for by tax payers and student tuition. The very ground on which it lies belongs to the people of the State of California. In many different orders and directives, free speech in academia the University of California, Berkeley is engrained.

Education Code Section 66301 provides
protections to students attending the University of
California, the California State University, or
community colleges. It provides: “Neither the
Regents of the University of California, the Trustees
of the California State University, nor the governing
board of any community college district shall make
or enforce any rule subjecting any student to
disciplinary sanction solely on the basis of conduct
that is speech or other communication that, when
engaged in outside a campus of those institutions, is
protected from governmental restriction by the First
Amendment to the United States Constitution or
Section 2 of Article 1 of the California
Constitution.”

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As participants in a public university, the faculty and other academic appointees, staff, and students of the University of California enjoy significant free speech protections guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution and Article I, Section I of the California Constitution. This policy is intended to protect members of the University community from discrimination, not to regulate protected speech. This policy shall be implemented in a manner that recognizes the importance of rights to freedom of speech and expression. The University also has a compelling interest in free inquiry and the collective search for knowledge and thus recognizes principles of academic freedom as a special area of protected speech. Consistent with these principles, no provision of this policy shall be interpreted to prohibit conduct that is legitimately related to the course content, teaching methods, scholarship, or public commentary of an individual faculty member or the educational, political, artistic, or literary expression of students in classrooms and public forums. However, freedom of speech and academic freedom are not limitless and do not protect speech or expressive conduct that violates federal or state anti-discrimination laws.

University of California
Office of the President
February 10, 2006

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That's a very important point you made there Houdi Elbow. Free speech is not just about the ability to say some words. It's about the respect of those who listen to at least respectfully consider what is said. ...

Actually, that's not free speech at all.

Not just keep saying what they want others to hear, expecting others to have the respect to listen to their one way dialogue, when they have none and no interest in listening to others.

In other words, at least listen to what others have to say.

Free speech doesn't include the right to be heard at all. You have the right to scream your speech down a basement drain, you do not have the right to be heard because others need not listen if they aren't interested.

Frankly, I don't listen much to the Klan. Or the Nazis. Or anyone else who advocates the use of force against another. I don't care what they think.

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Well, there's free speech...and then, there's dialogue.


Dialogue includes listening, which is Keith Stanley's point on this thread. I'm sure that on some comedy shows, as well as in real life, we've come across what some call a "Spanish Conversation". That's where two people are talking quickly at each other, while ignoring what the other is saying to them. It's good material for comedy because it's pointless.


Are we making enough of an effort at dialogue?


Sociablilty includes witholding some things you have a right to say, which is Mystique's point. It includes good manners sometimes, empathy sometimes, courtesy sometimes, helpfulness sometimes, witholding a quip sometimes, foregoing looking Oh-So-Clever sometimes. Now, each of these things can be regarded as a compromise with the exercise of free speech, but they have their purpose in binding a community together and helping it flourish.


Are we making enough of an effort at sociability?



What will lead us to having a great forum, a great community?



For me, personally, those are the important things to consider.

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. . . Well put Beets, Well put

Well, there's free speech...and then, there's dialogue.


Dialogue includes listening, which is Keith Stanley's point on this thread. I'm sure that on some comedy shows, as well as in real life, we've come across what some call a "Spanish Conversation". That's where two people are talking quickly at each other, while ignoring what the other is saying to them. It's good material for comedy because it's pointless.


Are we making enough of an effort at dialogue?


Sociablilty includes witholding some things you have a right to say, which is Mystique's point. It includes good manners sometimes, empathy sometimes, courtesy sometimes, helpfulness sometimes, witholding a quip sometimes, foregoing looking Oh-So-Clever sometimes. Now, each of these things can be regarded as a compromise with the exercise of free speech, but they have their purpose in binding a community together and helping it flourish.


Are we making enough of an effort at sociability?



What will lead us to having a great forum, a great community?



For me, personally, those are the important things to consider.

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