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Message 570006 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 2:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 568133.  

Know you are hard at work on the upload issue.

Interesting thing happened. One of my machines seems to have become fixated on getting work form Seti/Seti Beta. In any case the BOINC scheduler let the machine run out of work even though there are other projects the machine is attached to. I don't know if it is the parcitular error messages that BOINC is getting back make it think work will be forthcoming shortly or if the errors aren't being understood by BOINC to mean, move on to the next project, ignore the user work percent for this project.

Right now we will call it a feature, but one thing I'm sure of, this particular kind of failure will show up in some project in the future. BOINC ought to be taught that after some number of retrys to get work downloads and the machine is idle, move on to the next project it can get work from.

Thanks for all the hard work.
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We had the usual outage today which was mostly a success. The database compressed and was backed up in just over an hour. Normally this takes almost twice as long but the result table has significantly shrunk over the past two weeks (wonder why?). After that we put the new thumper in the closet (we being me, Eric, Jeff, and Kevin - it's a heavy machine). We also rebooted bruno to cleanly pick up a new disk (replacing a failed disk from yesterday). And I rebooted penguin to attach koloth's old tape drive to it (so it could read the classic data tapes for splitting).

That all went well. We also updated all the BOINC-side code to bring the SETI@home project in line with the current BOINC source tree and a few things broke, namely our validators and assimilators. These aren't project critical for the time being, so we're postponing dealing with these until we deal with the real problem at hand: getting people to connect to our data servers.

I think this is the longest outage we've ever had (even though it wasn't a "complete" outage - just no work was available) and we're in a whole new network configuration since the last major outage (new OS, new servers, new ISP, new switches, new router). In short, we're being clobbered by the returning flood of work requests. The major bottleneck is somewhere in the direction of our Hurricane router or bruno. Or at least that's the way it seems right now and there's no guarantee that when we break that dam a new bottleneck won't arise. I don't have the time to spell out what is broken and what we tried and what failed and what yielded unexpected results. Just know we're working on it and we understand most connections are being dropped.

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Message 570009 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 2:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 569950.  

Ok, we're both wrong... I just looked at the card that has the 186 on it, and it's a 80186-20... AFAIK, no-one ever used the 186 in a "standard PC-clone" IIRC, the Bull's (at least) weren't completely compatable (first I've heard of the Mistral...) (actual Intel part number... "N80C186XL20 L5512718D © 1978 1982)

The C in the middle of your part number means this was the CMOS part--a completely new design done several years after the depletion NMOS 80186 by an entirely different design team. The double copyright appears to say that it has significant intellectual property from the 80186, and that the design work on it started about four years later.

I don't know how many features were added, but a CMOS implementation had to be a complete new design from top to bottom and the circuit and layout level anyway, so possibly some of the extravagant claims in this thread for feature insertions long after the start are in fact references to the 80C186. I do suspect if the Garmin rumor is true that it is a use of the CMOS version, as power conservation in a hand-held GPS receiver is a strong motivation.

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Message 570032 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 3:43:48 UTC - in response to Message 569991.  

On the status side, most is again green. Why don't I still get any contact? Slowly, the patience gets lost.


SSSShhhhh! All is running like clockwork. ...and the graph is pointing upwards again.

Well done to all concerned. At least one customer is happy.


I am not unhappy!. Just curious as to why the "your computers tab" is showing 50 wu's downloaded to my machines, but they don't seem to be there yet.


Perhaps in the true spirit of debugging, I should uninstall "BOINC" and then reinstall "Boinc" Nothing else including patience seems to be working for me as to the mysterious missing downloads>

O. K. I detached from Setiathome, Then reattached to setiathome. Guess what. I got one work unit. I did seem to lose my optimized program though. that can be fixed later.

Yep! That worked on the second computer also.
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Message 570061 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 4:38:03 UTC - in response to Message 569823.  

(blush)
1st PC I ever used was a DEC Rainbow.
It used a 8088 cpu from which the 80186 was descended....


It's too bad that DEC never figured out where to fit into the PC marketplace. They really knew the mini-computer world though.


I wish they did too - I worked for DEC for 9 years in finance, from '84 to '93. At one point they employed nearly 160,000 people, when I left, they were down to 80,000.

I worked for them from 75 to 80.. had a badge number under 30,000. I left them because they kept me on the road and planes all the time and I seldom got to see my kids. It was a great company, but they just didn't ever get the marketing right.


I still remember my badge number, 171xxx. If you can get access to the old personnel data base you can find out who I am, lol. I worked in their Phoenix, Costa Mesa and Pittsburg offices. It was a good time gone bad.

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Message 570160 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 10:52:11 UTC - in response to Message 569950.  


Hey, anyone (other than me) ever see a 186?


Last time I saw 186, I think I was in 6th grade :(


Looks like a 286, only slower than most 286's (they stayed at 8 Mhz)... they were used for dedicated applications. The one I have is on a SCSI card, (SCSI-2, 50 HD pins) no longer in my computer.




SLT/Telenova Compis

Your actually wrong. Intel got pissed at IBM after the 8086PC and wanted someone else to build the nextgen PC. The bid was crazily enough given to the SLT/Telenova in Sweden. They received the 80186 on a you build you get/no else gets kind of a deal. And for four years they developed and had Intel redevelop the 186 so that it had a lot more functionality onboard than it initialy had. Then they all of a sudden decided to sell it to schools only and in the end SLT/Telenova bankcrupted. After that Bull and Mistral built standard PC clones using the 186.
Strange thing is that a lot of the features of the 186 as hyperburst, multilayer cache, on-board memory controllers and stuff was not Intels copyright but SLTs. So that's why there where things on the 186 that was not on the 286, 386 and 486. And in the end Intel had to change the name into Pentium to break the patent so to speak.
Top spead of 186 was actually 16MHz.

Wow, I knew something about computers that Chicken didn't:-)

Carl


Ok, we're both wrong... I just looked at the card that has the 186 on it, and it's a 80186-20... AFAIK, no-one ever used the 186 in a "standard PC-clone" IIRC, the Bull's (at least) weren't completely compatable (first I've heard of the Mistral...) (actual Intel part number... "N80C186XL20 L5512718D © 1978 1982)

As I heard it, Inte£ changed the name to Pentium™, because the US patent office refused to trademark a number! (I.E. 486, or 80486)


I think we are succeeding with the impossible here:-)
We are both wrong and correct at the same time:-)
I did a dawn raid and whonked open the Mistral at the local computer museum and lo and behold. It had a R80186 chip inside running at 10MHz. The OP was DR DOS. I can't really wouch for the compatability, but it has WordPerfect on the 10MB HDD so it should have been pretty close at least. Probably around Compaq compatibility (98%) or so.
Some more checking with our resident old-timer engineer from those days revealed that the 186 was easy to overclock with just a change of clock-chrystal. You could even overclock them with a set of pliers and squesing the chrystal if your nerves were up to it.
The fastest he ever ran a 186 was apparantly in 20MHz cooled by a very rudimentary homebuilt peltier.
He also said that the upgraded chips with onboard goodies only have a copyright year of 1982, not stating the 1978. Effectively making them into a 80186/II. And the R80186 had just the 82.
Strangeness all around. It seems like they built two widely different chips under the same name.
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Message 570163 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 10:57:24 UTC - in response to Message 570009.  

Ok, we're both wrong... I just looked at the card that has the 186 on it, and it's a 80186-20... AFAIK, no-one ever used the 186 in a "standard PC-clone" IIRC, the Bull's (at least) weren't completely compatable (first I've heard of the Mistral...) (actual Intel part number... "N80C186XL20 L5512718D © 1978 1982)

The C in the middle of your part number means this was the CMOS part--a completely new design done several years after the depletion NMOS 80186 by an entirely different design team. The double copyright appears to say that it has significant intellectual property from the 80186, and that the design work on it started about four years later.

I don't know how many features were added, but a CMOS implementation had to be a complete new design from top to bottom and the circuit and layout level anyway, so possibly some of the extravagant claims in this thread for feature insertions long after the start are in fact references to the 80C186. I do suspect if the Garmin rumor is true that it is a use of the CMOS version, as power conservation in a hand-held GPS receiver is a strong motivation.


There are more versions. There are at least 30 of them that are obsolete and a further ten still in production according to Intels homepage.

Here is a place where you can look at the classical models of them.
Inccredible amount of sexy 186es
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Message 570165 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 11:00:54 UTC - in response to Message 570160.  

And not once was there a fond mention of the sinclair spectrum......or the Timex Sinclair 2068.

That was my first computer. I learn'd alot from that. Not just playing games.
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Message 570169 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 11:07:36 UTC - in response to Message 569924.  

On the subject of optimised apps - can anyone point me in the direction of one for my Mac Pro Intel Xeon?

There’s a sticky thread in the Number Crunching forum: here’s the most recent posting from Alex Kan, with links to the latest optimized apps for Mac.


Yep, got it cheers Odysseus - now just need some WU's

I did get a WU on my work laptop though and was able to run the optimised Pentium M client, he he, it was nearly 50% quicker :-)

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Message 570174 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 11:15:46 UTC - in response to Message 570165.  

And not once was there a fond mention of the sinclair spectrum......or the Timex Sinclair 2068.

That was my first computer. I learn'd alot from that. Not just playing games.


In the end I had to cut out the sides and the backside of my Spectrum so it could sprout out all the flatcables:-) Ah, fond memories of the days when you upgraded by soldering "flatties" straight onto the motherboard. Best upgrade was to install a Z80 co-processor... *Nerdvana*

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Message 570218 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 12:27:33 UTC - in response to Message 570174.  

And not once was there a fond mention of the sinclair spectrum......or the Timex Sinclair 2068.

That was my first computer. I learn'd alot from that. Not just playing games.


In the end I had to cut out the sides and the backside of my Spectrum so it could sprout out all the flatcables:-) Ah, fond memories of the days when you upgraded by soldering "flatties" straight onto the motherboard. Best upgrade was to install a Z80 co-processor... *Nerdvana*

Carl


Ah, you don't know the power until you stand behind a CPU the size of an upright freezer and start plugging in inch thick cables just to get it to talk to the world. How many remember "core". How many actually saw a core bank with a soldering gun in their hand?

Yes, "Ah, fond memories of the days..." --- Dennis
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Message 570224 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 12:33:20 UTC

Sorry for interrupting your fond reminiscences, folks, but I thought you might like to know that there's a workaround available, if you're running an optimised app. Simon of KWSN has endorsed it:

check this thread.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=39484#568090
hope it works for you, and you can forget about dusting down your tandies, BBC's, Nimbi, AT, XT, etc, and get back to looking for ET and co.

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Message 570226 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 12:36:31 UTC - in response to Message 570218.  

And not once was there a fond mention of the sinclair spectrum......or the Timex Sinclair 2068.

That was my first computer. I learn'd alot from that. Not just playing games.


In the end I had to cut out the sides and the backside of my Spectrum so it could sprout out all the flatcables:-) Ah, fond memories of the days when you upgraded by soldering "flatties" straight onto the motherboard. Best upgrade was to install a Z80 co-processor... *Nerdvana*

Carl


Ah, you don't know the power until you stand behind a CPU the size of an upright freezer and start plugging in inch thick cables just to get it to talk to the world. How many remember "core". How many actually saw a core bank with a soldering gun in their hand?

Yes, "Ah, fond memories of the days..." --- Dennis


Actually I do... I am the GodFather of the Behemoth Computational Cube.

A real computer needs to be serviced weekly by a guy checking the plumbing for the coolant system:-) A real computer is something that you can step into:-) A real computer has hundreds of blue diods infront:-) A real computer comes with a complimentary couch running around it:-) A real computer looks like a strange geometric figure spanning an acre when seen from above:-) A real computer runs on an OS noone ever heard about:-)

I could go on and on...
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Message 570313 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 14:20:04 UTC

ah, must be describing a cray, possibly a ymp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_Y-MP
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Message 570315 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 14:23:03 UTC

Shamelesly admitting that I was heavily inspired by Cray when I built the BCC. But the couch was a nogo for the reason of accessability.
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Message 570571 - Posted: 18 May 2007, 19:36:31 UTC

There was a Real Programmer entry. The only part that I remember was:
a Real Programmer can write FORTRAN programs in any language.
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Message 570881 - Posted: 19 May 2007, 1:54:55 UTC - in response to Message 570061.  

(blush)
1st PC I ever used was a DEC Rainbow.
It used a 8088 cpu from which the 80186 was descended....


It's too bad that DEC never figured out where to fit into the PC marketplace. They really knew the mini-computer world though.


I wish they did too - I worked for DEC for 9 years in finance, from '84 to '93. At one point they employed nearly 160,000 people, when I left, they were down to 80,000.

I worked for them from 75 to 80.. had a badge number under 30,000. I left them because they kept me on the road and planes all the time and I seldom got to see my kids. It was a great company, but they just didn't ever get the marketing right.


I still remember my badge number, 171xxx. If you can get access to the old personnel data base you can find out who I am, lol. I worked in their Phoenix, Costa Mesa and Pittsburg offices. It was a good time gone bad.


My badge was 142xxx - joined DEC in March 1983, survived the Compaq and now HP mergers, and will be taking early retirement from HP at the end of May after 24 years. Spent all my time in NC offices. Been thru the good and bad times, got frustrated and decided it was time for a new challenge.


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Message 570894 - Posted: 19 May 2007, 2:03:20 UTC

Got this lot (underneath)-can't download anything on SETI;
-riesel sieve =no problem-I'm starting to get pissy coz my other pc is working fine crunching both riesel AND SETI, altho' Riesel keeps APPEARING to take precedence, over crunching seti WU's;...any advice appreciated - have removed & reinstalled BOINC, 3x, in the last hour to try get SETI up and running again - no show???!
Oh, yeh, Man U for the cup 2morrow (UK)

19/05/2007 02:50:39||Starting BOINC client version 5.8.16 for windows_intelx86
19/05/2007 02:50:39||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
19/05/2007 02:50:39||Libraries: libcurl/7.16.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8a zlib/1.2.3
19/05/2007 02:50:39||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
19/05/2007 02:50:39|SETI@home|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
19/05/2007 02:50:39||Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ [x86 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2] [fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 3dnow mmx]
19/05/2007 02:50:39||Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 1.85 GB virtual
19/05/2007 02:50:39||Disk: 275.08 GB total, 260.88 GB free
19/05/2007 02:50:39|Riesel Sieve Project|URL: http://boinc.rieselsieve.com/; Computer ID: 16363; location: home; project prefs: default
19/05/2007 02:50:39|SETI@home|URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 2961516; location: (none); project prefs: default
19/05/2007 02:50:39||General prefs: from Riesel Sieve Project (last modified 2007-05-11 18:47:58)
19/05/2007 02:50:39||Host location: home
19/05/2007 02:50:39||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
19/05/2007 02:52:54|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
19/05/2007 02:52:54|SETI@home|Requesting 1728000 seconds of new work
19/05/2007 02:53:19|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
19/05/2007 02:53:19|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 25 min 40 sec
19/05/2007 02:53:19|SETI@home|Reason: scheduler request failed
So! is this my pc, or me being a nod? or is it STILL the server problem??...
Thanks!

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Message 570940 - Posted: 19 May 2007, 2:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 570894.  

So! is this my pc, or me being a nod? or is it STILL the server problem??...

It’s not just you:
Fri 18 May 20:27:39 2007|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
Fri 18 May 20:27:39 2007|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
Fri 18 May 20:27:39 2007|SETI@home|Requesting 172800 seconds of new work
[color=red]Fri 18 May 20:29:04 2007|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error[/color]
Fri 18 May 20:29:04 2007|SETI@home|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
Fri 18 May 20:30:05 2007|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
Fri 18 May 20:30:05 2007|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
Fri 18 May 20:30:05 2007|SETI@home|Requesting 172800 seconds of new work
Fri 18 May 20:31:27 2007||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
Fri 18 May 20:31:29 2007||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.
[color=red]Fri 18 May 20:31:31 2007|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: server returned nothing (no headers, no data)[/color]

Meanwhile I have three Beta results trying to get reported:
Fri 18 May 20:12:14 2007|SETI@home Beta Test|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta_cgi/cgi
Fri 18 May 20:12:14 2007|SETI@home Beta Test|Reason: To report completed tasks
Fri 18 May 20:12:14 2007|SETI@home Beta Test|Requesting 172800 seconds of new work, and reporting 3 completed tasks
[color=red]Fri 18 May 20:12:20 2007|SETI@home Beta Test|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error[/color]

Moreover I’m only getting deferral times of a minute or so, which means a lot of server-hammering. I’ve suspended both projects until there’s further news.
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Message 570950 - Posted: 19 May 2007, 2:46:40 UTC

I have been getting work units most of today and the load seems to have dropped off the server. If you have not seen it, check the message on the home page as I was not able to get the flow going till I dropped Bionc and restarted it.
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Message 570962 - Posted: 19 May 2007, 2:57:09 UTC - in response to Message 570881.  
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(blush)
1st PC I ever used was a DEC Rainbow.
It used a 8088 cpu from which the 80186 was descended....


It's too bad that DEC never figured out where to fit into the PC marketplace. They really knew the mini-computer world though.


I wish they did too - I worked for DEC for 9 years in finance, from '84 to '93. At one point they employed nearly 160,000 people, when I left, they were down to 80,000.

I worked for them from 75 to 80.. had a badge number under 30,000. I left them because they kept me on the road and planes all the time and I seldom got to see my kids. It was a great company, but they just didn't ever get the marketing right.


I still remember my badge number, 171xxx. If you can get access to the old personnel data base you can find out who I am, lol. I worked in their Phoenix, Costa Mesa and Pittsburg offices. It was a good time gone bad.


My badge was 142xxx - joined DEC in March 1983, survived the Compaq and now HP mergers, and will be taking early retirement from HP at the end of May after 24 years. Spent all my time in NC offices. Been thru the good and bad times, got frustrated and decided it was time for a new challenge.
After 9 years, it sucked, but sh*t happens. Congrats to you :)



I wish I would have survived it, but didn't :( I was laid off in mid '93. after 9 years I would have loved to stay on, but sh*t happens. I have more stories, I could write a book. Remember when they had the failed "stores". Congrats to you :)

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