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Message 466182 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 4:52:45 UTC - in response to Message 466150.  

Probably the best way to "get moderated" is to generate complaints.

Complaints from the community mean that at least someone is bothered by the contents -- and we're starting to see a lot of complaints.

Could we take it down a notch, folks? Please??


Some people complain, not about the post but about the poster. Knightmare has adressed this problem before.

Some people do really have too much focus on what certain posters post, maybe they should use the filter function and else just ignore that or those posters, they don't like?

People are allowed to post, as long as they meet the requirements from the project. This includes BrainSmashR too.


At the same time, I'm moderately offended, and I think there are at least six posts that could easily be deleted under the "annoy or antagonize" guideline, or the "hostile or insulting" guideline.

Complaints won't automatically bring the "wrath of the moderators" but they do bring attention.

So I may be entirely insane, but I'm hoping that a civil request will be better than using the delete function.



Then why on Earth haven't you done anything then?

There are 3 moderators present in this thread, flamebaits, flames, insults, abuse, etc. have flied the past hours! And not only from one side but from several. And nothing has been done?

I have followed this thread while doing other things, I haven't red-x'ed any posts here, but I have seen how a flamewar is in progress and have been the past few hours.

And don't blame it on BrainSmashR, there are others who can be blamed just as well.


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Message 466183 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 4:54:01 UTC - in response to Message 466177.  

The only problem with ignore lists, is that everyone wants to know what every one is saying, so they click the link to be able to see the ignored posts. Doesn't accomplish anything.

Actually, it might make life easier on the Mods.

Let's say that someone "A" has someone "B" on their plonk list. Logically, since "B" is filtered from "A", "A" would have no reason to "B"'s posts. So, Mods could immediately reject any "A" who s "B"'s posts.

Of course, it would still be possible for "A" to a person "C" who's referencing "B"'s.
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Message 466187 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 4:56:32 UTC - in response to Message 466176.  

Yep...perfectly acceptable in public, threatening to be moderated on a forum...

You'd expect anything different?

I agree that the standards are different. Breast Feeding isn't generally considered confrontational.

In Vermont, the police would not be called to arrest a Breast Feeding mother. If an argument over her rights turned into a fistfight, the cops likely would be involved.

... and if asking people to back off before the fists start flying, then I guess I'm guilty as charged.
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Message 466199 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 5:15:51 UTC - in response to Message 466177.  
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Probably the best way to "get moderated" is to generate complaints.

Complaints from the community mean that at least someone is bothered by the contents -- and we're starting to see a lot of complaints.

Could we take it down a notch, folks? Please??


Some people complain, not about the post but about the poster. Knightmare has adressed this problem before.

Some people do really have too much focus on what certain posters post, maybe they should use the filter function and else just ignore that or those posters, they don't like?

People are allowed to post, as long as they meet the requirements from the project. This includes BrainSmashR too.


The only problem with ignore lists, is that everyone wants to know what every one is saying, so they click the link to be able to see the ignored posts. Doesn't accomplish anything.


I have used the cocktail party analogy before, I'll try again.

At a cocktail party you mingle and usually you join in that group you feel at home in and where your friends are. If you see a person, you simply can't stand, standing in the other end of the room, you don't walk over to that person and scream into his/her face how much you dislike him/her, do you? No, you ignore that person, mostly by simply staying away from that person.

Same, when you mingle in the crowd, you pass that group, where this person, you simply can't stand the voice of, and you accidentally pick up some words. The words are not meant for you personally, they were said to someone else, who's not ignoring that person. You don't join the crowd around that person and start throwing comments and/or insults to him/her, do you? No, you close your ears to that voice, and you move on the next group, where you can't hear the voice anymore.

Or even if a person, you don't want any contact with at all, address you, in a cocktail party you have two options, you can pretend you haven't heard it and then ignore him/her, or you can answer as polite as possible and then get away before the conversation develops into something you don't want to bother yourself with and you consider a waste of time.

And at a cocktail party you simply avoid any contact with those you don't want to be bothered with, either it's a direct ignoring or you chose to close your ears to that voice, if you can't avoid it.

Does this make sense? Behaving in cyberspace how you would behave in real life with that courtesy you show people in real life.


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Message 466203 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 5:18:56 UTC

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Message 466205 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 5:20:17 UTC - in response to Message 466203.  

Where's the party?

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Message 466207 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 5:22:05 UTC - in response to Message 466199.  

Probably the best way to "get moderated" is to generate complaints.

Complaints from the community mean that at least someone is bothered by the contents -- and we're starting to see a lot of complaints.

Could we take it down a notch, folks? Please??


Some people complain, not about the post but about the poster. Knightmare has adressed this problem before.

Some people do really have too much focus on what certain posters post, maybe they should use the filter function and else just ignore that or those posters, they don't like?

People are allowed to post, as long as they meet the requirements from the project. This includes BrainSmashR too.


The only problem with ignore lists, is that everyone wants to know what every one is saying, so they click the link to be able to see the ignored posts. Doesn't accomplish anything.


I have used the cocktail party analogy before, I'll try again.

At a cocktail party you mingle and usually you join in that group you feel at home in and where your friends are. If you see a person, you simply can't stand, standing in the other end of the room, you don't walk over to that person and scream into his/her face how much you dislike him/her, do you? No, you ignore that person, mostly by simply staying away from that person.

Same, when you mingle in the crowd, you pass that group, where this person, you simply can't stand the voice of, and you accidentally pick up some words. The words are not meant for you personally, they were said to someone else, who's not ignoring that person. You don't join the crowd around that person and start throwing comments and/or insults to him/her, do you? No, you close your ears to that voice, and you move on the next group, where you can't hear the voice anymore.

And at a cocktail party you simply avoid any contact with those you don't want to be bothered with, either it's a direct ignoring or you chose to close your ears to that voice, if you can't avoid it.

Does this make sense? Behaving in cyberspace how you would behave in real life with that courtesy you show people in real life.


I understand perfectly fine. I was just simply stating a fact. Not here to stir any pots. I'll take myself back out of here since thats where this thread seem's to want to head.
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Message 466209 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 5:24:16 UTC - in response to Message 466205.  

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Message 466247 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 9:21:57 UTC - in response to Message 466105.  
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BrainSmasher was and still is playing his game. The Breastfeeding thread was a good topic and when he brought up utter nonsense
just to cause unrest so I closed the thread, I refused to play his game.
Besides he opened a new one and continued the discussion.


The only nonsense on that thread is the concept that it's acceptable for a baby to suck t****e in public while I can't even type the word without violating a variety of the rules.

The "point" is that the new thread was also deleted, prompting the start of this one. Of course I'm sure you were to busy psychoanalyzing everyone to actually pay attention to the fact that this thread is more than a mere difference of opinion between you and I.


CA started a thread on Breastfeeding in public..but for whatever reason did not like the way the thread was going so he closed it. However, there were others who wished to continue the discussion, including yourself. It was me that suggested you start your own thread as you have a right to your opinion no matter how much I might disagree with it personally. All I ask is that you refrain from insults.

Unfortunately a mod did delete your thread, but after we discussed it, he agreed to undelete it. It seems in the instance moderation has worked in your favour, please do not think that gives you a carte blanche to insult people.

If you wish to discuss this further please feel free to contact me on the setimods@setiathome.berkeley.edu address. Otherwise, as I said earlier, I will consider the issue resolved.

Fuzzy, you are right there have been flames and flame baits in this thread from both sides. It's time it stopped. I am not going to say that if I hear anymore complaints about this thread I will delete the entire thread as I suspect that will just encourage some people. Instead..any further posts in this thread that fall below the standard of good manners and respect for each other will simply be removed without warning.




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Message 466252 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 9:53:16 UTC - in response to Message 466199.  

Probably the best way to "get moderated" is to generate complaints.

Complaints from the community mean that at least someone is bothered by the contents -- and we're starting to see a lot of complaints.

Could we take it down a notch, folks? Please??


Some people complain, not about the post but about the poster. Knightmare has adressed this problem before.

Some people do really have too much focus on what certain posters post, maybe they should use the filter function and else just ignore that or those posters, they don't like?

People are allowed to post, as long as they meet the requirements from the project. This includes BrainSmashR too.


The only problem with ignore lists, is that everyone wants to know what every one is saying, so they click the link to be able to see the ignored posts. Doesn't accomplish anything.


I have used the cocktail party analogy before, I'll try again.

At a cocktail party you mingle and usually you join in that group you feel at home in and where your friends are. If you see a person, you simply can't stand, standing in the other end of the room, you don't walk over to that person and scream into his/her face how much you dislike him/her, do you? No, you ignore that person, mostly by simply staying away from that person.

Same, when you mingle in the crowd, you pass that group, where this person, you simply can't stand the voice of, and you accidentally pick up some words. The words are not meant for you personally, they were said to someone else, who's not ignoring that person. You don't join the crowd around that person and start throwing comments and/or insults to him/her, do you? No, you close your ears to that voice, and you move on the next group, where you can't hear the voice anymore.

Or even if a person, you don't want any contact with at all, address you, in a cocktail party you have two options, you can pretend you haven't heard it and then ignore him/her, or you can answer as polite as possible and then get away before the conversation develops into something you don't want to bother yourself with and you consider a waste of time.

And at a cocktail party you simply avoid any contact with those you don't want to be bothered with, either it's a direct ignoring or you chose to close your ears to that voice, if you can't avoid it.

Does this make sense? Behaving in cyberspace how you would behave in real life with that courtesy you show people in real life.


Yes, this makes sense Fuzzy. I understand what you are saying and your point is well made. However, I might worry that this might be seen by some as an excuse for obnoxious people to do and say what they please. This is not a cocktail party, this the Cafe forum associated to SETI@Home, and perhaps more respect to all in a 'membership' type group should be shown, rather that comments made in open when they should not.

PS. I recently experienced some very useful and impressive moderation - thank you Es :)


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Message 466272 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 12:45:52 UTC - in response to Message 466247.  
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Unfortunately a mod did delete your thread, but after we discussed it, he agreed to undelete it. It seems in the instance moderation has worked in your favour, please do not think that gives you a carte blanche to insult people.

If you wish to discuss this further please feel free to contact me on the setimods@setiathome.berkeley.edu address. Otherwise, as I said earlier, I will consider the issue resolved.

I have no intention of discussing in private something that affects every user on this forum, and the "issue" won't be resolved until at least 1 of two things, (preferably both), happen.

1) We get a set standard of rules for the mods to follow, so that in the future, these types of situations can be avoided.

2) We are informed via the moderation e-mail, which of the over 20?!?!?! mods is responsible for what action so that it doesn't appear to be a single mod abusing his/her power.

Of course these are just suggestions, but I've even had JOKES deleted, on a whiskey thread because it compared women to beavers and nutria rats. A totally clean joke...no images, no graphic language. Just a joke that compared the way a woman looks in a bar and the way she looks the next morning. There's even been ANOTHER thread started here about some of the "silliness" of the mods since the experiment started.

So don't bother trying to tell me the issue has be resolved when the root of the problem hasn't even been addressed. I know you mean well Es, but the simple fact is that we can't be expected to please 20+ different people's opinions with every single post when there aren't any set standards for what IS acceptable.


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Message 466281 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 13:15:39 UTC



Instead..any further posts in this thread that fall below the standard of good manners and respect for each other will simply be removed without warning.


Why am I reminded of a woman being removed from an airplane because her actions fell below the standard of good manners and respect for each other?!?!?!?!?!


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Message 466282 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 13:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 466281.  



Instead..any further posts in this thread that fall below the standard of good manners and respect for each other will simply be removed without warning.


Why am I reminded of a woman being removed from an airplane because her actions fell below the standard of good manners and respect for each other?!?!?!?!?!

Well from the consensus in your other thread..it appears that the lady's actions didn't actually fall below those standards.

As to any other complaints you have, they have been noted. Feel free to email setimods@setiathome.berkeley.edu to discuss them further.
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Message 466372 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 16:17:05 UTC
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Blimey, i make the first post in a few days and I find it's been modded. Was that you Es? Also hello to SuperBuzz and nobody who I presume were modded because of quoting me.
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Message 466376 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 16:28:54 UTC

In answer to the original question of rules, PATHETIC!
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Message 466396 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 16:58:17 UTC - in response to Message 466282.  


Well from the consensus in your other thread..it appears that the lady's actions didn't actually fall below those standards.


LAF

You keep telling yourself that the consensus of a world-wide Seti forum is an accurate reflection of what's considered good taste in America, and we'll keep escorting those who fall below those standards out of the public eye.


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Message 466397 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 17:01:50 UTC - in response to Message 466396.  


Well from the consensus in your other thread..it appears that the lady's actions didn't actually fall below those standards.


LAF

You keep telling yourself that the consensus of a world-wide Seti forum is an accurate reflection of what's considered good taste in America, and we'll keep escorting those who fall below those standards out of the public eye.


The American consensus is that people should be able to spell. LAUGH. Otherwise, please use the abbreviations the concensus has agreed upon, such as: LOL; LMAO; ROTFLMAO.

We now return you to the worldwide point of view on the battle, as BS is escorted to the side for a spehling lessun. ;)
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Message 466398 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 17:05:19 UTC

Artist name: Metallica
MY FRIEND OF MISERY
(Hetfield/Ulrich/Newsted)

You just stood there screaming
Fearing no one was listening to you
They say the empty can rattles the most
The sound of your own voice must soothe you
Hearing only what you want to hear
And knowing only what you've heard
You
You're smothered in tragedy
You're out to save the world

Misery
You insist that the weight of the world
Should be on your shoulders
Misery
There's much more to life than what you see
My friend of misery

You still stood there screaming
No one caring about these words you tell
My friend before your voice is gone
One man's fun is another's hell
These times are sent to try men's souls
But something's wrong with all you see
You
You'll take it on all yourself
Remember, misery loves company

Misery
You insist that the weight of the world
Should be on your shoulders
Misery
There's much more to life than what you see
My friend of misery

You just stood there screaming
My friend of misery
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Message 466399 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 17:07:21 UTC - in response to Message 466397.  



The American consensus is that people should be able to spell. LAUGH. Otherwise, please use the abbreviations the concensus has agreed upon, such as: LOL; LMAO; ROTFLMAO.

We now return you to the worldwide point of view on the battle, as BS is escorted to the side for a spehling lessun. ;)


It's an onomatopoeia, not an acronym. Look it up.


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Message 466404 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 17:14:42 UTC

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/acronym

One entry found for acronym.
Main Entry: ac·ro·nym
Pronunciation: 'a-kr&-"nim
Function: noun
Etymology: acr- + -onym
: a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) formed from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term; also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters : INITIALISM
- ac·ro·nym·ic /"a-kr&-'ni-mik/ adjective
- ac·ro·nym·i·cal·ly /-mi-k(&-)lE/ adverb

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/onomatopoeia

Main Entry: on·o·mato·poe·ia
Pronunciation: "ä-n&-"mä-t&-'pE-&, -"ma-
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin, from Greek onomatopoiia, from onomat-, onoma name + poiein to make -- more at POET
1 : the naming of a thing or action by a vocal imitation of the sound associated with it (as buzz, hiss)
2 : the use of words whose sound suggests the sense
- on·o·mato·poe·ic /-'pE-ik/ or on·o·mato·po·et·ic /-pO-'e-tik/ adjective
- on·o·mato·poe·i·cal·ly /-'pE-&-k(&-)lE/ or on·o·mato·po·et·i·cal·ly /-pO-'e-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb

Other well-known acronyms include: radar; scuba; laser. In no way do these words or LOL, LMAO or ROFTLMAO meet definition one or two of onomatopoeia.
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