We're going OT BTW, the "Truth" thread is over here :o)


Regards Hans

I do not consider this discussion OT....as lockton did ask "What do you think?" during thread origination.

Among other things, he did say this :-P

I was linking to a joke thread BTW.

Regards Hans

P.S: I'll shut up now :o)

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Not when the truth causes problems, thats the point.

Now there's a wrist-slitting statement.

Oddly enough....for once I agree with you Misfit.

Well, I'm sorry that I don't care to have flame fests follow from here to there. I'll continue to do what I have to do over there, weather anyone likes it or not.

Isn't it odd that when the " problems " start up over there, they are removed before they can get going, but over here, the mods are reviled for doing the same thing?

Bit of a double standard in place ?

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Not when the truth causes problems, thats the point.

Now there's a wrist-slitting statement.

Oddly enough....for once I agree with you Misfit.

Well, I'm sorry that I don't care to have flame fests follow from here to there. I'll continue to do what I have to do over there, weather anyone likes it or not.

Isn't it odd that when the " problems " start up over there, they are removed before they can get going, but over here, the mods are reviled for doing the same thing?

Bit of a double standard in place ?

Yes it is. The mods 'over there' are actually going to make it a nice forum, but over here? well, another standard it seems....


There's a new cafe made for me,
a place where I can safely be,
the Mods there are working so well,
to stop it becoming another hell?

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The standard that Jeremy was stating for the other forum is the same as the standard here. Stop problems before they become problems.

Same standards...different reactions to the standards.

There was a lot of flak taken for the removal of the Es for Moderator thread, even though it was removed because it was asked to be removed.

Would the reaction have been the same had it happened on the other forum??

Don't know. I haven't registered there. I don't really plan to. I have too many other things on my plate at the moment.

The standard that Jeremy was stating for the other forum is the same as the standard here. Stop problems before they become problems.

Same standards...different reactions to the standards.

There was a lot of flak taken for the removal of the Es for Moderator thread, even though it was removed because it was asked to be removed.

Would the reaction have been the same had it happened on the other forum??

Don't know. I haven't registered there. I don't really plan to. I have too many other things on my plate at the moment.

I'm glad someone see's eye to eye here. And thats exactly what the Site Admin wants us to do, stop problems before they start. Unfortunately, when posts are deleted from there, I believe the are gone completely. Jonathan would have to say for sure.

It all boils down to keeping the peace. I don't know how many moderators are here on these boards. I know of Horatio, KM, Michael Buckingham, obviously Eric, other than that, I dunno. I don't think there's enough moderators here to be around at all hours of the day and night, which is why flame fests can continue till someone comes on. Being a moderator of a board is a hard duty to do.

And, experience comes in also. I've been posting here for almost 2, maybe 3 years, somewhere in there. You see a lot of the spats and who flames who, and you remember this stuff. You know what to look for, and can stop it before it starts. Its hard to be impartial, but you gotta do what you gotta do, regardless if it upsets one side or the other. As I said earlier, you can't please everyone.

Anyhow, thats my 2 cents.

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I completely agree Jeremy.

It is impossible to please everyone all the time.

Hell, judging by some of your comments lately, you weren't pleased with us either.

Thing is, we KNOW that anything we do is not going to please someone. We just have to do what we are supposed to do, regardless of who we irritate.

Anyone that knows me, knows me well enough to know that if I mod something, there are no personal reasons behind the actions.

That is something that ALL mods have to be able to do.

How long does it take for the avtivation e-mail to arrive? Just arrived.

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I completely agree Jeremy.

It is impossible to please everyone all the time.

Hell, judging by some of your comments lately, you weren't pleased with us either.

Your right, I haven't been. But, I'm well over it. Although, it would be nice to impliment with the moderation stuff that goes on here, that when something is deleted, an email explaining why is not only nice, but a common courtesy. Not all mod's do it, and some are very good at doing it. But, it would be nice if across the board everyone did it. Getting no explaination as to why your post was deleted only upsets that poster more, causing them to get more posts deleted, or worse, banned.

Thing is, we KNOW that anything we do is not going to please someone. We just have to do what we are supposed to do, regardless of who we irritate.

Anyone that knows me, knows me well enough to know that if I mod something, there are no personal reasons behind the actions.

That is something that ALL mods have to be able to do.

And I agree totally. You can't take posts personal. Sometimes it is hard when things are thrown at you, to keep your temper, but, by being the better person, and just ignoring it, it will go away, and you show you are the better person.

Anyhow, this whole day is behind me now. Whats done is done, nothing can change that. Everyone is welcome to the new forums, just as Jonathan has said below in the first post. We've got 41 people registered over there now, which is pretty darn cool concidering its been up for about a week now. I hope others will join us.

Jeremy

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Not all mod's do it, and some are very good at doing it. But, it would be nice if across the board everyone did it. Getting no explaination as to why your post was deleted only upsets that poster more, causing them to get more posts deleted, or worse, banned.

True. But what happens if the person doesn't agree with why it was modded? They are going to make comments either way.

Not all mod's do it, and some are very good at doing it. But, it would be nice if across the board everyone did it. Getting no explaination as to why your post was deleted only upsets that poster more, causing them to get more posts deleted, or worse, banned.

True. But what happens if the person doesn't agree with why it was modded? They are going to make comments either way.

Yeah, I can see it on that end too. I guess for me personally, I would like to know why my posts get moderated. Just deleting stuff really doesn't solve anything. Education is a great tool, some people like it, some don't. I dunno.

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Not all mod's do it, and some are very good at doing it. But, it would be nice if across the board everyone did it. Getting no explaination as to why your post was deleted only upsets that poster more, causing them to get more posts deleted, or worse, banned.

True. But what happens if the person doesn't agree with why it was modded? They are going to make comments either way.

Yeah, I can see it on that end too. I guess for me personally, I would like to know why my posts get moderated. Just deleting stuff really doesn't solve anything. Education is a great tool, some people like it, some don't. I dunno.

I do agree that the mods should put an explanation in the notice. However, in cases where we have to go through an entire thread to remove a flame war, that is just not feasible. I have ( a couple of times ) spent over an hour just deleting posts from one thread. That would have been expanded to over 2 hours or more had I tried to put an explanation in a notice for the posts removed.

In most cases, where it's just a couple of posts that need to be removed, then yeah, I think an explanation may not be a bad thing.

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Not all mod's do it, and some are very good at doing it. But, it would be nice if across the board everyone did it. Getting no explaination as to why your post was deleted only upsets that poster more, causing them to get more posts deleted, or worse, banned.

True. But what happens if the person doesn't agree with why it was modded? They are going to make comments either way.

Yeah, I can see it on that end too. I guess for me personally, I would like to know why my posts get moderated. Just deleting stuff really doesn't solve anything. Education is a great tool, some people like it, some don't. I dunno.

I do agree that the mods should put an explanation in the notice. However, in cases where we have to go through an entire thread to remove a flame war, that is just not feasible. I have ( a couple of times ) spent over an hour just deleting posts from one thread. That would have been expanded to over 2 hours or more had I tried to put an explanation in a notice for the posts removed.

In most cases, where it's just a couple of posts that need to be removed, then yeah, I think an explanation may not be a bad thing.

Oh, I agree, I would not expect if you had to write that many explanations for an entire thread. But where feasable, I think it should be done, as you said for just a couple of posts.

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Perhaps a "Moderators Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice" would help??

Clearly moderators have a responsibility to the forum, as well as the posters (being mod'd) and with these codes in place, it would be clear to all those that take up the responsibility of being a moderator what is required of them.

On the other hand anyone who thinks that they have had their 'contributions' mod'd unnecessarily or have not been informed as to why etc etc can refer to the code of practice and ethics accordingly.

If this code of ethics and practice is combined with a site policy statement then it should be pretty clear what IS and IS NOT allowed to be published, regardless whether it is the "truth" or not.

Take Brainsmashr here, if he is telling the "truth" but it is defamatory (i don't know if it was or not, just siting and example), and yet the "standards of practice" allow for the removal of defamatory material then deletion of this kind of stuff is very clear cut.

As I said earlier, you can't please everyone.

Anyhow, thats my 2 cents.

Nice answer.

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As I said earlier, you can't please everyone.

Anyhow, thats my 2 cents.

Nice answer.

Your welcome.

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Perhaps a "Moderators Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice" would help??

Clearly moderators have a responsibility to the forum, as well as the posters (being mod'd) and with these codes in place, it would be clear to all those that take up the responsibility of being a moderator what is required of them.

On the other hand anyone who thinks that they have had their 'contributions' mod'd unnecessarily or have not been informed as to why etc etc can refer to the code of practice and ethics accordingly.

If this code of ethics and practice is combined with a site policy statement then it should be pretty clear what IS and IS NOT allowed to be published, regardless whether it is the "truth" or not.

Take Brainsmashr here, if he is telling the "truth" but it is defamatory (i don't know if it was or not, just siting and example), and yet the "standards of practice" allow for the removal of defamatory material then deletion of this kind of stuff is very clear cut.

Brainsmashr was telling the truth as he saw it and what he was saying was defamatory. It doesn't mean it was the truth. In fact I saw the post he made and responded because I thought he was twisting the facts to suit his own personal vendetta. That was just my personal opinion and I think Brainsmshr's insistence that he was deleted for telling the truth is a chimera and that his complaint has no place here on this board.

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Perhaps a "Moderators Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice" would help??

Clearly moderators have a responsibility to the forum, as well as the posters (being mod'd) and with these codes in place, it would be clear to all those that take up the responsibility of being a moderator what is required of them.

On the other hand anyone who thinks that they have had their 'contributions' mod'd unnecessarily or have not been informed as to why etc etc can refer to the code of practice and ethics accordingly.

If this code of ethics and practice is combined with a site policy statement then it should be pretty clear what IS and IS NOT allowed to be published, regardless whether it is the "truth" or not.

Take Brainsmashr here, if he is telling the "truth" but it is defamatory (i don't know if it was or not, just siting and example), and yet the "standards of practice" allow for the removal of defamatory material then deletion of this kind of stuff is very clear cut.

Brainsmashr was telling the truth as he saw it and what he was saying was dematory. It doesn't mean it was the truth. In fact I saw the post he made and responded because I thought he was twisting the facts to suit his own personal vendetta. That was just my personal opinion and I think Brainsmshr's insistence that he was deleted for telling the truth is a chimera and that his complaint has no place here on this board.

Amen!

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It's funny, the more time that passes, the more proof of this simple truth I am given.

Bottom line, if you register over there, don't say anything negative about "the group". Over here you get attacked, over there they just delete your post. Same $*@% different address.

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