The Sorrowful Rise Of Neuter Man

Ever wonder why masculine men are dying out -- the old strong, silent type who rolled cheroots one-handed while roping dogies with the other -- and being replaced by delicate androgynous Ken-dolls who look like Tinkerbell with a flat chest? Or why women look increasingly . . . not masculine so much as sexless?

Tell you what I think. (I'll bet that surprises you.)

Used to be, men and women were different, and they knew it. They weren't in competition. So a guy could be Marlboro Man, or sort of anyhow, and grunt, and sit tall in the saddle, and say, "Hoo-ahhhh!" and ride Harleys. And if anybody messed with his kids or woman, he'd take a tire iron to'em, or a 30-30, depending--or at least imagine that he might. He had sense enough, anyway, to know that it was a good idea.

Back then, a woman could like a big hairy-chested hunk, because she wasn't competing with him. In fact, the hairier chesteder he was, the better, because she was vying with her girlfriends to see who could get the manlier man. And a lot of women liked the idea of 240 pounds of muscle in a Stetson that meant to take care of them.

She meanwhile could afford to be cute, feminine, and curved, and dress like a woman, and maybe wield a gorgeous smile that she used to play him like a banjo -- which he probably knew, and figured that was OK too, because that's how things worked, and anyway guys are guys. She didn't have to out-hairy him. She wasn't trying to be a guy.

East was east, and west was west, and the twain would meet at the drop of a hat.

Then everything changed. Women decided they wanted to compete with men. OK. I can understand it. If I were a woman with an IQ of 160, I'd probably want to be a biochemist instead of child-herder and doily-polisher. The idea seemed reasonable to most women, and to most men. A bazillion gals poured into the workplace.

Thing was -- and nobody had really thought this out -- they didn't expect to compete on their merits as individuals, get as far as they got, and figure that was the hand God dealt them. They wanted to duke it out head-to-head, self-consciously and avowedly, as a class, with men. It wasn't Sally wrestling with the law boards. It was Us agin Them.

Which was a Whole Nuther Thing. No society or species had ever tried it.

Problems arose. Fact is, men are hard to compete with. Physically, they are taller, heavier, much stronger, more durable and more enduring. Except for nymphet gymnastics, there may be no sport in which women hold the record. Intellectually men have a large advantage mathematically and a slight one verbally at the high end, that becomes rapidly greater as one moves to the right of the mean; This is the Glass Ceiling. Men are more aggressive, exploratory, adventurous, and versatile. Sorry, but there it is.

Women moved up some, and some moved up a lot, but they didn't catch up numerically with men. It was because they couldn't, and that's a pretty good reason. And when you got down to it, women just didn't care enough. They had other things on their minds, like families and rugrats.

They didn't quite understand this. Nobody did. All women wanted, they said early on, was to be judged by the same standards as men. It was a bad idea. If I judge Cup Cake as a woman, I note that she is sleek, smart, funny, graceful, sweet as honey on a Moon Pie, and dances like a dream raised in Georgia. I'm smitten.

If I judge her as I judge men, she's an emotionally unstable dwarf. How much respect am I supposed to have for a 5'3" guy who bench presses a twenty-ounce Pepsi?

Antagonism inevitably ensued. Men said that the ladies didn't want to be women, and couldn't be men. Why, they asked each other, did a first-rate woman want to be a second-rate man? The women said men were bigoted. Men said they were just observant. Women, who had always regarded men as commitment objects and pre-med objects, became enraged that men regarded them as sex objects. Men were puzzled. They didn't know what else to regard as sex objects.

I was confused myself. I remember a woman screaming at me, "Women don't want to be objects!" Trying to be conciliatory, I said, "OK, you can be subjects." That didn't suit her either.

They don't know what they want. And that's the problem.

They got angry and developed chips on their shoulder pads. War ensued, in which women raged and men didn't know what the hell was going on. When natural ability failed, women discovered, politics would serve. And so we got affirmative action, which means, "pretending."

Depending on the venue, the women needed very little or lots of pretending. The military was worst. It pretended either that women could climb obstacles, or that wars didn't involve obstacles. Soon soldiers discovered that most women couldn't throw a grenade beyond its burst radius. This will make you unpopular on battlefields. Besides, a woman throwing a grenade looked like a sea lion waving its flipper. So the Army built a little wall for them to drop grenades over.

It was ridiculous. It is ridiculous. Affirmative action always is. Nobody is fooled. Still, it spread like peanut butter on a hot day. For those women who didn't like men anyway, it was sweet revenge. Except -- it wasn't quite. The men knew, and the women knew they knew. On the other hand, the checks cashed.

Intuitively women knew they had to push for unisex. To compete with men, women had to act like men, who are competitive, and get men to behave like women, who aren't. They bought ugly sexless suits, did boring things with their hair, and practiced being disagreeable, often succeeding wildly. Meanwhile the media, fronting for them, went in for pretty male models who waxed their chests and weren't threatening. The compassionate man emerged like a grub from a log.

The women won. Marlboro Man, or anybody too clearly of one sex or the other, is out of style. Both the New-Age woman, and her docile man-surrogate, would be intimidated, and ol' Marlboro would have trouble knowing which was the girl. God it's boring.

Whatever our differences, why can't we all just get along together, learn to love each other, and just be happy in this short life.

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'No one can make you inferior without your consent.'
Eleanor Roosevelt.

Whatever our differences, why can't we all just get along together, learn to love each other, and just be happy in this short life.

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Intuitively women knew they had to push for unisex. To compete with men, women had to act like men, who are competitive, and get men to behave like women, who aren't. They bought ugly sexless suits, did boring things with their hair, and practiced being disagreeable, often succeeding wildly. Meanwhile the media, fronting for them, went in for pretty male models who waxed their chests and weren't threatening. The compassionate man emerged like a grub from a log.

I agree with you a little. I think that each sex is unique, and women shouldn't be trying to compete with men as if they were their enemies.

Woman are different from men of course, that's for sure. Men and woman have to understand each other more though. They really do need each other. Without one, there cannot be the other. There are a lot of men out there that don't understand how much women need to be loved. They need to be loved and cuddled oftenly.

Did the above sound too corny? It's very early in the morning here.

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The Sorrowful Rise Of Neuter Man

Ever wonder why masculine men are dying out -- the old strong, silent type who rolled cheroots one-handed while roping dogies with the other -- and being replaced by delicate androgynous Ken-dolls who look like Tinkerbell with a flat chest? Or why women look increasingly . . . not masculine so much as sexless?

Tell you what I think. (I'll bet that surprises you.)

Used to be, men and women were different, and they knew it. They weren't in competition. So a guy could be Marlboro Man, or sort of anyhow, and grunt, and sit tall in the saddle, and say, "Hoo-ahhhh!" and ride Harleys. And if anybody messed with his kids or woman, he'd take a tire iron to'em, or a 30-30, depending--or at least imagine that he might. He had sense enough, anyway, to know that it was a good idea.

Back then, a woman could like a big hairy-chested hunk, because she wasn't competing with him. In fact, the hairier chesteder he was, the better, because she was vying with her girlfriends to see who could get the manlier man. And a lot of women liked the idea of 240 pounds of muscle in a Stetson that meant to take care of them.

She meanwhile could afford to be cute, feminine, and curved, and dress like a woman, and maybe wield a gorgeous smile that she used to play him like a banjo -- which he probably knew, and figured that was OK too, because that's how things worked, and anyway guys are guys. She didn't have to out-hairy him. She wasn't trying to be a guy.

East was east, and west was west, and the twain would meet at the drop of a hat.

Then everything changed. Women decided they wanted to compete with men. OK. I can understand it. If I were a woman with an IQ of 160, I'd probably want to be a biochemist instead of child-herder and doily-polisher. The idea seemed reasonable to most women, and to most men. A bazillion gals poured into the workplace.

Thing was -- and nobody had really thought this out -- they didn't expect to compete on their merits as individuals, get as far as they got, and figure that was the hand God dealt them. They wanted to duke it out head-to-head, self-consciously and avowedly, as a class, with men. It wasn't Sally wrestling with the law boards. It was Us agin Them.

Which was a Whole Nuther Thing. No society or species had ever tried it.

Problems arose. Fact is, men are hard to compete with. Physically, they are taller, heavier, much stronger, more durable and more enduring. Except for nymphet gymnastics, there may be no sport in which women hold the record. Intellectually men have a large advantage mathematically and a slight one verbally at the high end, that becomes rapidly greater as one moves to the right of the mean; This is the Glass Ceiling. Men are more aggressive, exploratory, adventurous, and versatile. Sorry, but there it is.

Women moved up some, and some moved up a lot, but they didn't catch up numerically with men. It was because they couldn't, and that's a pretty good reason. And when you got down to it, women just didn't care enough. They had other things on their minds, like families and rugrats.

They didn't quite understand this. Nobody did. All women wanted, they said early on, was to be judged by the same standards as men. It was a bad idea. If I judge Cup Cake as a woman, I note that she is sleek, smart, funny, graceful, sweet as honey on a Moon Pie, and dances like a dream raised in Georgia. I'm smitten.

If I judge her as I judge men, she's an emotionally unstable dwarf. How much respect am I supposed to have for a 5'3" guy who bench presses a twenty-ounce Pepsi?

Antagonism inevitably ensued. Men said that the ladies didn't want to be women, and couldn't be men. Why, they asked each other, did a first-rate woman want to be a second-rate man? The women said men were bigoted. Men said they were just observant. Women, who had always regarded men as commitment objects and pre-med objects, became enraged that men regarded them as sex objects. Men were puzzled. They didn't know what else to regard as sex objects.

I was confused myself. I remember a woman screaming at me, "Women don't want to be objects!" Trying to be conciliatory, I said, "OK, you can be subjects." That didn't suit her either.

They don't know what they want. And that's the problem.

They got angry and developed chips on their shoulder pads. War ensued, in which women raged and men didn't know what the hell was going on. When natural ability failed, women discovered, politics would serve. And so we got affirmative action, which means, "pretending."

Depending on the venue, the women needed very little or lots of pretending. The military was worst. It pretended either that women could climb obstacles, or that wars didn't involve obstacles. Soon soldiers discovered that most women couldn't throw a grenade beyond its burst radius. This will make you unpopular on battlefields. Besides, a woman throwing a grenade looked like a sea lion waving its flipper. So the Army built a little wall for them to drop grenades over.

It was ridiculous. It is ridiculous. Affirmative action always is. Nobody is fooled. Still, it spread like peanut butter on a hot day. For those women who didn't like men anyway, it was sweet revenge. Except -- it wasn't quite. The men knew, and the women knew they knew. On the other hand, the checks cashed.

Intuitively women knew they had to push for unisex. To compete with men, women had to act like men, who are competitive, and get men to behave like women, who aren't. They bought ugly sexless suits, did boring things with their hair, and practiced being disagreeable, often succeeding wildly. Meanwhile the media, fronting for them, went in for pretty male models who waxed their chests and weren't threatening. The compassionate man emerged like a grub from a log.

The women won. Marlboro Man, or anybody too clearly of one sex or the other, is out of style. Both the New-Age woman, and her docile man-surrogate, would be intimidated, and ol' Marlboro would have trouble knowing which was the girl. God it's boring.

WOW!! That was a hateful load of backlash bullshit..and I still haven't met a single one of these so called 'Neuter Men', but according to this article, most of you guys here must be one.

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Ziggy, if you were a boss, say like in some small company for example, and had a choice between a guy that was a jerk who might not do the job right, and a woman, that dressed in an ugly sexless suit that might do the job better, who would you choose?

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I knew when I first read that article, that it was going to create quite a stir.

Let's see if we can keep it from devolving into another war though.

In this instance, I happen to agree with you Es. In part anyway. It was crap, but there are men that see things that way, so it's may be crap, but it is valid. Kinda. If you want to see men like that, they are all over the place on this side of the pond.

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Oh by the way....my hairlessness is NATURAL.....lmao

I have no need to wax anything. :-)

I knew when I first read that article, that it was going to create quite a stir.

Let's see if we can keep it from devolving into another war though.

In this instance, I happen to agree with you Es. In part anyway. It was crap, but there are men that see things that way, so it's may be crap, but it is valid. Kinda. If you want to see men like that, they are all over the place on this side of the pond.

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Oh by the way....my hairlessness is NATURAL.....lmao

I have no need to wax anything. :-)

..and there probably always have been men like that (thinking of conversations with my Grandmothers). To blame it on working women is laughable. This article is nothing more than a load of bias conjecture written because men feel threatened. Well any group of people who've held the reins for so long aren't going to like it when they have to relinquish their dominant position.

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Reality Internet Personality

I knew when I first read that article, that it was going to create quite a stir.

Let's see if we can keep it from devolving into another war though.

In this instance, I happen to agree with you Es. In part anyway. It was crap, but there are men that see things that way, so it's may be crap, but it is valid. Kinda. If you want to see men like that, they are all over the place on this side of the pond.

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Oh by the way....my hairlessness is NATURAL.....lmao

I have no need to wax anything. :-)

..and there probably always have been men like that (thinking of conversations with my Grandmothers). To blame it on working women is laughable. This article is nothing more than a load of bias conjecture written because men feel threatened. Well any group of people who've held the reins for so long aren't going to like it when they have to relinquish their dominant position.

That is true Es. I also feel the need to point out, however, that I have seen some things written by feminists that were equally biased, and somewhat more venomous about it.

I suppose that this is the point where the " manly men " are supposed to stand up, start thumping their chests and pulling their women away from the thread by their hair.....

That is true Es. I also feel the need to point out, however, that I have seen some things written by feminists that were equally biased, and somewhat more venomous about it.

Probably true..but not really relevant to this article. There are a lot of women out there who have been treated really badly by men..and I mean really badly..not just "he ran up my credit card, slept with another woman, ran off with the baby sitter" badly. I mean, "put me in hospital, forced me to have sex with strangers for money, raped me, stole my children..etc.." badly..so I can imagine that they might have a low opinion of men and write rather nasty articles about them. The thing is, these angry feminists did a lot to help women in these situations. It is directly because of the feminist movement that you feel outrage when you hear of these things. It is because of the feminist movement that women now get protection from the police (they didn't before..it was considered a domestic incident and the police would not intervene), it is directly because of the feminist movement that there are safe houses for battered women..so although you might feel uncomfortable reading their articles ..and although they are no longer just because (hopefully) society has come a long way since those dark days..you surely can understand where they came from.

I think it will take a while to build trust between men and women..things have changed so much in just my lifetime and there is still a long way to go.

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That is true Es. I also feel the need to point out, however, that I have seen some things written by feminists that were equally biased, and somewhat more venomous about it.

Probably true..but not really relevant to this article. There are a lot of women out there who have been treated really badly by men..and I mean really badly..not just "he ran up my credit card, slept with another woman, ran off with the baby sitter" badly. I mean, "put me in hospital, forced me to have sex with strangers for money, raped me, stole my children..etc.." badly..so I can imagine that they might have a low opinion of men and write rather nasty articles about them. The thing is, these angry feminists did a lot to help women in these situations. It is directly because of the feminist movement that you feel outrage when you hear of these things. It is because of the feminist movement that women now get protection from the police (they didn't before..it was considered a domestic incident and the police would not intervene), it is directly because of the feminist movement that there are safe houses for battered women..so although you might feel uncomfortable reading their articles ..and although they are no longer just because (hopefully) society has come a long way since those dark days..you surely can understand where they came from.

I think it will take a while to build trust between men and women..things have changed so much in just my lifetime and there is still a long way to go.

I am taking nothing away from the good things that the feminist movement has brought around Es.

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It's too late Knightmare... once you make a stand there's no going back ...you'r doomed Bro.

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* I now shift back to neutral *

It's too late Knightmare... once you make a stand there's no going back ...you'r doomed Bro.

Meh.....so be it then.....lol

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I am taking nothing away from the good things that the feminist movement has brought around Es.

It's ok..I just know there are many who hate feminists without realising how much we owe to them.

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* I now shift back to neutral *

It's too late Knightmare... once you make a stand there's no going back ...you'r doomed Bro.

Meh.....so be it then.....lol

Spoken like a Man... lol

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