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Message 439591 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 1:03:56 UTC - in response to Message 439560.  

I'm referring to all the American people across the country who lost their jobs and were forced to move their families into homeless shelters until even the shelters were turning them away due to overcrowding... I'd really like to know what that had to do with the events of 911... ;)

Provide jobs for them, Jeffrey.

If you refuse to, maybe you can understand why others refuse to.

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Message 439607 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 1:27:57 UTC - in response to Message 439312.  

i better say nothing in this thread, or i'll have another fatwa issued for my head on a plate.:(

Hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, can I have the rest of your body :)

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Message 439608 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 1:29:00 UTC
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Appeals court revisits Mt. Soledad land transfer

looks like the good guys might win this one.
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Message 439674 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 3:22:36 UTC - in response to Message 439608.  



Mt. Soledad Cross Subject of Oral Arguments in the Ninth Circuit Federal Appellate Court Tomorrow

ANN ARBOR, MI — The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit will hear oral arguments on Thursday, October 19, which may well decide the fate of the Mt. Soledad Cross. The case involves a challenge to the federal district judge’s May 3, 2006 order requiring the City of San Diego to remove the memorial cross within 90 days or face fines of $5,000 per day. The hearing is scheduled for 9:30 AM, in Courtroom 1 of the Richard H. Chambers U.S. Court of Appeals Building in Pasadena, California.

Robert Muise, trial counsel with The Thomas More Law Center, a national, public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, will present oral arguments on behalf of San Diegans for the Mt. Soledad National War Memorial, the organization that launched the highly successful ballot initiative to save the national veterans memorial.

The Thomas More Law Center and the City were successful in getting U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy to stay the lower court’s May 3rd order.

Tomorrow, the Law Center will argue that the case should be dismissed based on mootness grounds. A recent Congressional Act, signed into law by President Bush on August 14, 2006, immediately transferred all title and interest to the cross and memorial to the federal government. Thus, as of August 14, the City no longer owns the property upon which the memorial is located. Therefore, the district court’s injunction is no longer enforceable.

Moreover, changes in constitutionally significant conditions—namely, the vast improvements made to the veterans memorial in 2000 and its subsequent designation as a national veterans memorial by Congress in 2004—plainly warrant reversal of the district court’s order to remove the cross. The May 3rd order was based on a constitutional challenge to a stand alone cross and not a constitutional challenge to the present veterans memorial, which requires a different legal analysis.

Robert Muise, commented, “The stay by Justice Kennedy and the recent Act of Congress are significant factors that have shifted the momentum of this case in favor of preserving the memorial cross. We are hopeful that this Ninth Circuit panel will preserve this historical war memorial for future generations of Americans. Our fallen heroes have earned it.”

The Thomas More Law Center defends and promotes the religious freedom of Christians, time-honored family values, and the sanctity of human life through education, litigation, and related activities. It does not charge for its services. The Law Center is supported by contributions from individuals, corporations and foundations, and is recognized by the IRS as a section 501(c)(3) organization. You may reach the Thomas More Law Center at (734) 827-2001 or visit our website at http://www.thomasmore.org.
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Message 439725 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 5:52:13 UTC - in response to Message 439607.  

i better say nothing in this thread, or i'll have another fatwa issued for my head on a plate.:(

Hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, can I have the rest of your body :)

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Message 439749 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 6:46:31 UTC - in response to Message 439725.  

i better say nothing in this thread, or i'll have another fatwa issued for my head on a plate.:(

Hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, can I have the rest of your body :)

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wow guys if you wanna be girls that bad, i can cut the extra's off, free of charge too.


* looks nervously over shoulder *

Ummmm....you aren't going to put the " extras " that you cut off in a pickling jar are you??
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Message 439754 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 6:57:27 UTC - in response to Message 439725.  

i better say nothing in this thread, or i'll have another fatwa issued for my head on a plate.:(

Hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, can I have the rest of your body :)

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wow guys if you wanna be girls that bad, i can cut the extra's off, free of charge too.

OK, I'll take the arm. I like the tatoo.


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Message 439758 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 7:01:48 UTC - in response to Message 439754.  

i better say nothing in this thread, or i'll have another fatwa issued for my head on a plate.:(

Hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, can I have the rest of your body :)

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wow guys if you wanna be girls that bad, i can cut the extra's off, free of charge too.

OK, I'll take the arm. I like the tatoo.


Oddly enough, I don't think THOSE were the extras she was referring to...lmao
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Message 439765 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 7:23:25 UTC - in response to Message 439758.  

i better say nothing in this thread, or i'll have another fatwa issued for my head on a plate.:(

Hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, can I have the rest of your body :)

Check and Mate.


wow guys if you wanna be girls that bad, i can cut the extra's off, free of charge too.

OK, I'll take the arm. I like the tatoo.


Oddly enough, I don't think THOSE were the extras she was referring to...lmao

naaa just toss them to the dogs, boiled.
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Message 439767 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 7:32:00 UTC - in response to Message 439765.  

i better say nothing in this thread, or i'll have another fatwa issued for my head on a plate.:(

Hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, can I have the rest of your body :)

Check and Mate.


wow guys if you wanna be girls that bad, i can cut the extra's off, free of charge too.

OK, I'll take the arm. I like the tatoo.


Oddly enough, I don't think THOSE were the extras she was referring to...lmao

naaa just toss them to the dogs, boiled.


You sound a lot like my ex girlfriend....lol

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Message 439773 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 7:44:20 UTC - in response to Message 439767.  

i better say nothing in this thread, or i'll have another fatwa issued for my head on a plate.:(

Hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, can I have the rest of your body :)

Check and Mate.


wow guys if you wanna be girls that bad, i can cut the extra's off, free of charge too.

OK, I'll take the arm. I like the tatoo.


Oddly enough, I don't think THOSE were the extras she was referring to...lmao

naaa just toss them to the dogs, boiled.


You sound a lot like my ex girlfriend....lol

bet i got a sharper pair of sissors,
:o you know how many FLOPs you lose credit for when you click this thread? firefox takes a whole 30 seconds to download (12MBit connection) and render the page, (AMD 2800+ athlon)
that gotta be 1/4 a credit
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Message 439795 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 8:29:56 UTC
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I have no idea...lol

We have managed to get WAY off topic in here....time to go back to the original subject of the thread. :-)

Apologies to Tom for wandering off topic.
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Message 440046 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 17:40:48 UTC - in response to Message 439795.  


Apologies to Tom for wandering off topic.

So what was the topic? Not tattoos then



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Message 440056 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 17:56:40 UTC - in response to Message 440046.  


Apologies to Tom for wandering off topic.

So what was the topic? Not tattoos then





Awww now you tell me...




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Message 440077 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 18:34:50 UTC - in response to Message 440056.  


Apologies to Tom for wandering off topic.

So what was the topic? Not tattoos then





Awww now you tell me...


I just hate it when they have more tattos than me...

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Message 440085 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 18:55:15 UTC - in response to Message 439591.  
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Provide jobs for them, Jeffrey.

If you refuse to, maybe you can understand why others refuse to.

No one has a right to a job. Ever.

I would hardly compare my generations lack of funds to your generations lack of moral character... ;)

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Say: "In the bounty of Allah. And in His Mercy,− in that let them rejoice": that is better than the (wealth) they hoard.
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Message 440091 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 19:03:29 UTC


'No discrimination' in veil row

A Muslim classroom assistant suspended by a school for wearing a veil in lessons has lost her claim of religious discrimination at a tribunal.


Aishah Azmi, 23, was asked to remove the veil after the school in Dewsbury, W Yorks, said pupils found it hard to understand her.

The tribunal dismissed her claims of religious discrimination and harassment on religious grounds.

But Kirklees Council was ordered to pay her £1,100 for victimising her.

Ms Azmi, a married mother-of-one, said she would be appealing against the decision to dismiss her religious discrimination claims.

In a statement she criticised ministers who had intervened in the case and said it made her "fearful of the consequences for Muslim women in this country who want to work".

She said: "However, I am pleased that the tribunal have recognised the victimising way in which the school and the local education authority have handled this matter and the distress that has caused me."

'Mark of separation'

The case attracted comments from Prime Minister Tony Blair, who backed Kirklees Council for suspending Ms Azmi.

Mr Blair said the wearing of a full face veil was a "mark of separation" and made some "outside the community feel uncomfortable".

The government's race minister Phil Woolas demanded Ms Azmi to be sacked, accusing her of "denying the right of children to a full education".

Ms Azmi, who is originally from Cardiff, said: "Muslim women who wear the veils are not aliens, and politicians need to recognise that what they say can have a very dangerous impact on the lives of the minorities they treat as outcasts.

"I will continue to uphold my religious beliefs and urge Muslims to engage in dialogue with the wider community, despite the attacks that are being made upon them."

Headfield Church of England Junior School, which has 546 pupils, suspended Ms Azmi because it said pupils found it hard to understand her during lessons.

Kirklees Council said the decision was taken after a monitoring period in which the impact of wearing the veil on the teaching and learning was studied.

It said: "In this case the school and local authority had to balance the rights of the children to receive the best quality education possible and Mrs Azmi's desire to express her cultural beliefs by wearing a veil in class.

"The education of the children is of paramount importance and it is disappointing that the school was unable to reach a compromise with Mrs Azmi in this case."

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Message 440117 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 19:55:01 UTC - in response to Message 440091.  
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Let me see if I understand this correctly...

The students couldn't hear the teacher because they couldn't see the teacher?

Apparently I was right, stupidity is the 'in thing' nowadays... ;)
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Message 440120 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 19:57:25 UTC - in response to Message 440091.  


'No discrimination' in veil row

A Muslim classroom assistant suspended by a school for wearing a veil in lessons has lost her claim of religious discrimination at a tribunal.


I understand that the start of all of this was a few months ago when the assistant was teaching a class of children without her veil. A male school teacher walked in to speak to her and she put on the veil. He asked her to remove it so that he could talk to her properly, and she started her actions of complaint from this point.

Who said what, when, is now incidental since this case is being picked up as the test case as to whether a woman can be asked to remove a veil to make for proper communication.

It is also true that nowhere in the religion of Islam does it state that a woman must wear a veil in the presence of a man not her husband or otherwise. It is an interpretation chosen by some Islamic women, and an interpretation forced on some Islamic women.

We have a situation in the UK where 'outsiders' are coming into the UK and are in the process of establishing their ways as being rights which must be imposed on all in the UK, to supersede the existing rights, for example, of proper communication without veils over our faces.


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Message 440126 - Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 20:12:38 UTC - in response to Message 440120.  

proper communication

Here's an idea: Get off your cell phones, it's not 'proper' communication...

This world really is a joke... ;)
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