Dear Hev,
If the terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it. But they haven't really done that since the Israeli's don't operate like that in Arab countries. In Arab countries most of the men in the house would be hanged, and the women throw into prison for an indeterminate time, and the childred given to distant relatives. Which is the more human form of punishment? Getting your house blown up or the state executing you, hmmmm...

Dogbytes, do we know who else was in Zarqawi's house when it was bombed?

It is war...when you bombed Germany were all the people in Dresden or Hamburg Nazis?

Sorry, it is just you bought up the analogy of the entire house being bombed. I had heard reports that there were children inside.

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You posted this reply before I had added this edit to my post: [Edit]: Since writing my response on this point, I have not been able to find this incident(Israeli tank driven over Palistinians in their home). Please let me know the particulars . . . there may be another side to the story.

Again, what incident are you talking about where the US bombed an Iraqi hospital before the war?

I don't need to talk about the suffering of the Israeli people because they have plenty of advocates here on this board and in the main stream media. Their voices are heard loud and clear.

As to the incidents of Israeli tanks driving over Palestinian homes, there are many more than one. Some were filmed and shown on the main news here. I understand we lost a news reporter in one such incident. He was shot by Israeli troops while filming.

BBC report
Guardian Report
Cat Bulldozers Endanger Lives
The al-Shu’bi family, April 2002

As to comparing death counts, I once heard the statistic that if Iraq was to fairly have an “eye for eye” it would have to kill the entire population of Texas. You keep forgetting that the US bombed Iraq for 10 years before the 2nd invasion. How many Iraqis died in those bombings? How many died indirectly because their pharmaceutical factories were destroyed and they no longer had the ability to make medicines?

I repeat, just because I am pointing these things out does not mean I advocate the attacks on the US. Understanding is not the same as condoning.

You say you understand the hatred, but I want to know what you base that understanding on. You claim Israeli tanks bulldozed Palistinian homes with people inside, then you cite four articles, the first two having to do with a reporter getting shot during a gun battle, not a Palistinian crushed in their bulldozed home; and the next two being the same site, not a news agency at all but a website dedicated to a political/financial crusade against Israelis--that information may be a little biased, or outright lies. Nice try, but you don't convince.

Did you find any serious information about US bombing of Iraqi hospitals before the war, that would give you such sympathy for or understanding of Al Qaeda supporters?

Yet, even if this is all true, and I'm not sure it is, an Israeli killing and a US military act (maybe in support of enforcing the cease-fire, but since you haven't given the particulars . . .), don't explain Palistinians (or others) celebrating at the loss of innocent American lives. You said you understood that. Well, then explain it to me.

Dear Hev,
If the terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it. But they haven't really done that since the Israeli's don't operate like that in Arab countries. In Arab countries most of the men in the house would be hanged, and the women throw into prison for an indeterminate time, and the childred given to distant relatives. Which is the more human form of punishment? Getting your house blown up or the state executing you, hmmmm...

Dogbytes, do we know who else was in Zarqawi's house when it was bombed?

It is war...when you bombed Germany were all the people in Dresden or Hamburg Nazis?

Sorry, it is just you bought up the analogy of the entire house being bombed. I had heard reports that there were children inside.

And their weren't in Germany...war is hell. Terrorists always make sure that no children will get hurt?

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You say you understand the hatred, but I want to know what you base that understanding on. You claim Israeli tanks bulldozed Palistinian homes with people inside, then you cite four articles, the first two having to do with a reporter getting shot during a gun battle, not a Palistinian crushed in their bulldozed home; and the next two being the same site, not a news agency at all but a website dedicated to a political/financial crusade against Israelis--that information may be a little biased, or outright lies. Nice try, but you don't convince.

Did you find any serious information about US bombing of Iraqi hospitals before the war, that would give you such sympathy for or understanding of Al Qaeda supporters?

Yet, even if this is all true, and I'm not sure it is, an Israeli killing and a US military act (maybe in support of enforcing the cease-fire, but since you haven't given the particulars . . .), don't explain Palistinians (or others) celebrating at the loss of innocent American lives. You said you understood that. Well, then explain it to me.

Tom, I have given you enough evidence there. Did you even read what I gave you? The reporter died because he had gone there to film the homes being bulldozed. I have seen film of it. You asked for evidence, I gave it. If you don't like it, tough. Read what I gave you. There is loads of information there.

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Tell me why you have been shown that footage again and again, yet you are not aware of all the peace rallies, prayer services, denunciations of terrorism and murder by thousands of other Muslims? Tell me why your media is so keen for you to hate Muslims?

That is the easiest question to answer this century.
The reason for the media bias in America against the Arabs is (surprise, surprise!!!):-
The media in America is owned or controlled by Jewish interests ....
Well well well ..... whoo'da thought it!!!
My tin hat is back on and I am once again invincible ...

Tell me why you have been shown that footage again and again, yet you are not aware of all the peace rallies, prayer services, denunciations of terrorism and murder by thousands of other Muslims? Tell me why your media is so keen for you to hate Muslims?

That is the easiest question to answer this century.
The reason for the media bias in America against the Arabs is (surprise, surprise!!!):-
The media in America is owned or controlled by Jewish interests ....
Well well well ..... whoo'da thought it!!!
My tin hat is back on and I am once again invincible ...

That's a load of clap trap if there ever was.
That BS has been around for ages and is a standard total falsehood as old as anti-semitism.

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And their weren't in Germany...war is hell. Terrorists always make sure that no children will get hurt?

I am still not sure what point you are trying to make. Do you deny that Israel has been bulldozing Palestinian homes?

Tom wanted to know why America might be so hated, I gave examples.

My mother gave examples. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes is well documented and very real.

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Dear Hev,
If the terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it. But they haven't really done that since the Israeli's don't operate like that in Arab countries. In Arab countries most of the men in the house would be hanged, and the women throw into prison for an indeterminate time, and the childred given to distant relatives. Which is the more human form of punishment? Getting your house blown up or the state executing you, hmmmm...

Dogbytes, do we know who else was in Zarqawi's house when it was bombed?

It is war...when you bombed Germany were all the people in Dresden or Hamburg Nazis?

Sorry, it is just you bought up the analogy of the entire house being bombed. I had heard reports that there were children inside.

When the US was attacked and the President, Vice President, and others were taken to "secret undisclosed locations" these location were not private residences nor were the schools, hospitals, churches, orphanages, etc. That is because these officials knew they could be targets and hanging around such places would put those places at undue risk.

Al Zarqawi knew he was a legitimate military target. Hiding in a residence just means that he was willing to put everyone in that house at risk.

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

Tell me why you have been shown that footage again and again, yet you are not aware of all the peace rallies, prayer services, denunciations of terrorism and murder by thousands of other Muslims? Tell me why your media is so keen for you to hate Muslims?

That is the easiest question to answer this century.
The reason for the media bias in America against the Arabs is (surprise, surprise!!!):-
The media in America is owned or controlled by Jewish interests ....
Well well well ..... whoo'da thought it!!!
My tin hat is back on and I am once again invincible ...

The american mainstream media seams to be a bit (and some even a lot) rightwing biased, but I put this in the buckets labeled "christian taliban", "neocon nuts", and the seemingly slightly rightwing society, where "liberal" seems to be a smearword.

What I gather from Israel media (Haaretz, J-Post), the american jewry is considered to be too liberal from their pov, the so-called "self-hating jew", so I don't think that you're even remotely on target.

Fine, I'm not saying that all Muslims were happy about the 9/11 attacks, but I did ask for Es99 to give examples of a rally that took place within the time that it was clear who was responsible. Statements by the Council on American-Islamic Relations are not rallies and are not exactly the kind of counter demonstration your daughter has suggested took place.

I'm terribly sorry Mr Koenig, I was in a hurry and I thought you could actually find some examples yourself.

Yesterday, you said I demanded people support their claims, but that I "never" supported my own positions. I then posted how I have in fact supported my points but that your "sources" did not support your position at all, often showing just the opposite, but you ignored that post, and have never apologized for your false charge against me. Now, it seems, you think that I have to look for support for your claims? What don't you understand about the concept of debate?

And their weren't in Germany...war is hell. Terrorists always make sure that no children will get hurt?

I am still not sure what point you are trying to make. Do you deny that Israel has been bulldozing Palestinian homes?

Tom wanted to know why America might be so hated, I gave examples.

My mother gave examples. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes is well documented and very real.

The penalty in Israel for suicide bombing is to have your house bulldozed.

To my knowledge, Israel is not using stealth bulldozers. Therefore, any adult inside the house was there to protest the punishment and responsible for their own deaths. Any children in those houses suffered because of uncaring guardians.

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

I am still not sure what point you are trying to make. Do you deny that Israel has been bulldozing Palestinian homes?

Tom wanted to know why America might be so hated, I gave examples.

My mother gave examples. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes is well documented and very real.

Oh, yes, the bulldozing of Palistinian homes is real, but you haven't convinced me that the Israelis do it while intentionally keeping civilians inside the homes being crushed. That was your original claim, was it not?

Oh, yes, the bulldozing of Palistinian homes is real, but you haven't convinced me that the Israelis do it while intentionally keeping civilians inside the homes being crushed. That was your original claim, was it not?

Read the information I gave you Tom. You asked for it, it least have the decency to read it.

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I am still not sure what point you are trying to make. Do you deny that Israel has been bulldozing Palestinian homes?

Tom wanted to know why America might be so hated, I gave examples.

My mother gave examples. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes is well documented and very real.

Oh, yes, the bulldozing of Palistinian homes is real, but you haven't convinced me that the Israelis do it while intentionally keeping civilians inside the homes being crushed. That was your original claim, was it not?

If someone came to your home and bulldozed it...you would be ok with it then as long as your not in it?

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Tell me why you have been shown that footage again and again, yet you are not aware of all the peace rallies, prayer services, denunciations of terrorism and murder by thousands of other Muslims? Tell me why your media is so keen for you to hate Muslims?

That is the easiest question to answer this century.
The reason for the media bias in America against the Arabs is (surprise, surprise!!!):-
The media in America is owned or controlled by Jewish interests ....
Well well well ..... whoo'da thought it!!!
My tin hat is back on and I am once again invincible ...

That's a load of clap trap if there ever was.
That BS has been around for ages and is a standard total falsehood as old as anti-semitism.

Now now DB ... let's not get using words like "claptrap"
Let's just look at the facts:
I can go on all day like this if you want ... but let's look at CNN (There are hundreds of others)
Who owns CNN, DB?
Does the name Gerald Levin mean anything to you?
Is he a Gentile by any chance?
Or Laurence Tisch over at CBS?
As I said I could go on an on ... but there would be no use ...
;-)))

Oh, yes, the bulldozing of Palistinian homes is real, but you haven't convinced me that the Israelis do it while intentionally keeping civilians inside the homes being crushed. That was your original claim, was it not?

Read the information I gave you Tom. You asked for it, it least have the decency to read it.

I read it and I responded to it in this post.

I read it and I responded to it in this post.

One of the articles decribed the bulldozing of a house with a family inside. Another with a man in a wheelchair inside. Another describes what happened to Rachel Corrie.

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Reality Internet Personality

I read it and I responded to it in this post.

One of the articles decribed the bulldozing of a house with a family inside. Another with a man in a wheelchair inside. Another describes what happened to Rachel Corrie.

I wish they'd send a notice to the parents, uncles, aunts, cousins right before they send a nutcase who is anti-Jewish to blow up a pizza parlor where the bomb blast causes fatal internal injuries ........maybe we could have a little 'peace thru bombs' courier service? Anyone attempting to defend these people is a joke and should be relegated to the ashheap of history that they will all ultimately belong to.....

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

I read it and I responded to it in this post.

One of the articles decribed the bulldozing of a house with a family inside. Another with a man in a wheelchair inside. Another describes what happened to Rachel Corrie.

I read those articles. Is that a news organization or do they simply have a political agenda? There was not one story by a legitimate news organization stating the Israelis crushed houses while purposly leaving people inside. That was your original claim. Do I need to link to that post too?