Tom, I do not think any hatred, act of violence, murder is justified. What so many of you seem unable to do it put yourself in the position of the ordinary people of these countries who are on the receipt of violence.

We can so easily understand the pain and suffering of US citizens who lost loved ones, we can imagine the horror of innocent Israeli children being blown up on buses and we can easily understand the hatred and anger that these acts cause. Why can't you see the hatred anger caused by an American plane dropping a bomb on an Iraqi hospital? Why can't you relate the to suffering caused when Palestinian children are shot by Israeli soldiers? Why are you unable to imagine the hate and suffering caused by these acts?

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Tom, I do not think any hatred, act of violence, murder is justified. What so many of you seem unable to do it put yourself in the position of the ordinary people of these countries who are on the receipt of violence.

We can so easily understand the pain and suffering of US citizens who lost loved ones, we can imagine the horror of innocent Israeli children being blown up on buses and we can easily understand the hatred and anger that these acts cause. Why can't you see the hatred anger caused by an American plane dropping a bomb on an Iraqi hospital? Why can't you relate the to suffering caused when Palestinian children are shot by Israeli soldiers? Why are you unable to imagine the hate and suffering caused by these acts?

You posted this reply before I had added this edit to my post: [Edit]: Since writing my response on this point, I have not been able to find this incident(Israeli tank driven over Palistinians in their home). Please let me know the particulars . . . there may be another side to the story.

Again, what incident are you talking about where the US bombed an Iraqi hospital before the war? And how does the act of an Israeli soldier, no matter how hateful it might be, justify 9/11? Why don't you talk about about the suffering of Israelis who have endured rocket attacks and suicide bombings from people who are sworn to destroy their country?

But, that should be irrelevant to the central question here: what justifies 9/11 and the celebrations of the deaths caused by those terrorists? 9/11 wasn't "an eye for an eye", it was more like "an eye for an insult".

On your propaganda - No sale! Take your threats couched in pious language and try to sell them to the gullible. The rest of us oppose you, and in the end, we will win.

Islam is indestructible.....fact!

On your propaganda - No sale! Take your threats couched in pious language and try to sell them to the gullible. The rest of us oppose you, and in the end, we will win.

Islam is indestructible.....fact!

No one is at war with Islam. People who claim to speak for all of Islam are waging what they claim is a holy war, but they have no more right to claim all of Islam is on their side than I do to claim that all right-handed people are on my side.

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

.....Since writing my response on this point, I have not been able to find this incident(Israeli tank driven over Palistinians in their home). Please let me know the particulars . . . there may be another side to the story.

Here is some information about the policy of destroying Palestinian homes House Destruction. I don't know if you have heard of the play that was put on here in London called "My Name is Rachel Corrie". This is a true story taken from her diaries about an American peace activist who was killed by a bulldozer destroying a home in Gaza. The play was supposed to have been put on in New York but then withdrawn as 'too sensitive'. I am telling you this without trying to score any points, but thought you might be interested.

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You posted this reply before I had added this edit to my post: [Edit]: Since writing my response on this point, I have not been able to find this incident(Israeli tank driven over Palistinians in their home). Please let me know the particulars . . . there may be another side to the story.

Again, what incident are you talking about where the US bombed an Iraqi hospital before the war? And how does the act of an Israeli soldier, no matter how hateful it might be, justify 9/11? Why don't you talk about about the suffering of Israelis who have endured rocket attacks and suicide bombings from people who are sworn to destroy their country?

But, that should be irrelevant to the central question here: what justifies 9/11 and the celebrations of the deaths caused by those terrorists? 9/11 wasn't "an eye for an eye", it was more like "an eye for an insult".

I don't need to talk about the suffering of the Israeli people because they have plenty of advocates here on this board and in the main stream media. Their voices are heard loud and clear.

As to the incidents of Israeli tanks driving over Palestinian homes, there are many more than one. Some were filmed and shown on the main news here. I understand we lost a news reporter in one such incident. He was shot by Israeli troops while filming.

BBC report
Guardian Report
Cat Bulldozers Endanger Lives
The al-Shu’bi family, April 2002

As to comparing death counts, I once heard the statistic that if Iraq was to fairly have an “eye for eye” it would have to kill the entire population of Texas. You keep forgetting that the US bombed Iraq for 10 years before the 2nd invasion. How many Iraqis died in those bombings? How many died indirectly because their pharmaceutical factories were destroyed and they no longer had the ability to make medicines?

I repeat, just because I am pointing these things out does not mean I advocate the attacks on the US. Understanding is not the same as condoning.

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No one is at war with Islam. People who claim to speak for all of Islam are waging what they claim is a holy war, but they have no more right to claim all of Islam is on their side than I do to claim that all right-handed people are on my side.[/quote]

Oct I'm only stating a fact of history, 1,400 years....Islam is here to stay.
I don't speak for all of Islam, I don't condone acts of terrorism perpetrated
by Muslims or anyone/group.

On your propaganda - No sale! Take your threats couched in pious language and try to sell them to the gullible. The rest of us oppose you, and in the end, we will win.

Islam is indestructible.....fact!

Power and or wealth do not = BRAINS
nothing is indestructable = fact
War in the boards = STUPID = fact

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

1. You don't get to redefine our 1st Amendement regardless of how much you may disagree with the concept or the reality of it
2. I don't rely on the mainstream media or my education as the sole source for my information.
3. I'm certainly not dancing in the streets like we saw the muslim community doing after 9/11, but as you stated, I'm certainly not morning the death of a terrorist piece of crap either.

I think I have some idea of where you get your information from. You seem like a very frightened man. Where did you see the footage of 'the Muslim community' dancing in the streets? Why weren't you shown the footage of 'the Muslim community' acting in horror and disgust..because that was the reaction I saw from every single Muslim I know.

You see, darling, I don't consider western culture to be evil, the USA to be Hell, and Bush to be the devil. That allows me to be objective when I hear news stories......something you OBVIOUSLY don't have the ability to do.

Don't call me darling you ignorant f*ck...and don't make assumptions about what I think about America or Americans..:-)

Darling, I too saw some Muslims acting in horror and outrage.....but not any that actually lived in the middle east.

....and I'll call you anything I please. Remember, I'm an American and we can do whatever we want.

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I remember the day of 9/11 the video coverage of the Palestinians dancing in the streets over it.

I'm sure that's true...but why was that the only footage of Muslim's you were shown?

Darling, why are you under the assumption that is the only footage we were shown? Is that what the propaganda machine told you to think? Do you have proof to support your beyond stupid comment, or can we all just agree you're full of crap (like that was a big secret)

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Understanding is not the same as condoning.

Nope, but acting under the assumption that America is always at fault, and saying every point proving otherwise is a half-truth or outright lie, is the same as condoning.

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....and I'll call you anything I please. Remember, I'm an American and we can do whatever we want.


Brainsmashr....typical American attitude! and I'm an American saying
that. You POMPOUS ASS...you exemplify everything that is wrong with America!
And Es99 has it all over you interms of intelligence!

Turn up the thrash some more on winamp...f*&king idiot!

.....Since writing my response on this point, I have not been able to find this incident(Israeli tank driven over Palistinians in their home). Please let me know the particulars . . . there may be another side to the story.

Here is some information about the policy of destroying Palestinian homes House Destruction. I don't know if you have heard of the play that was put on here in London called "My Name is Rachel Corrie". This is a true story taken from her diaries about an American peace activist who was killed by a bulldozer destroying a home in Gaza. The play was supposed to have been put on in New York but then withdrawn as 'too sensitive'. I am telling you this without trying to score any points, but thought you might be interested.

Dear Hev,
If the terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it. But they haven't really done that since the Israeli's don't operate like that in Arab countries. In Arab countries most of the men in the house would be hanged, and the women throw into prison for an indeterminate time, and the childred given to distant relatives. Which is the more human form of punishment? Getting your house blown up or the state executing you, hmmmm...

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.....Since writing my response on this point, I have not been able to find this incident(Israeli tank driven over Palistinians in their home). Please let me know the particulars . . . there may be another side to the story.

Here is some information about the policy of destroying Palestinian homes House Destruction. I don't know if you have heard of the play that was put on here in London called "My Name is Rachel Corrie". This is a true story taken from her diaries about an American peace activist who was killed by a bulldozer destroying a home in Gaza. The play was supposed to have been put on in New York but then withdrawn as 'too sensitive'. I am telling you this without trying to score any points, but thought you might be interested.

Dear Hev,
If they terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it.

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean

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Dear Hev,
If the terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it. But they haven't really done that since the Israeli's don't operate like that in Arab countries. In Arab countries most of the men in the house would be hanged, and the women throw into prison for an indeterminate time, and the childred given to distant relatives. Which is the more human form of punishment? Getting your house blown up or the state executing you, hmmmm...

Dogbytes, do we know who else was in Zarqawi's house when it was bombed?

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....and I'll call you anything I please. Remember, I'm an American and we can do whatever we want.


Brainsmashr....typical American attitude! and I'm an American saying
that. You POMPOUS ASS...you exemplify everything that is wrong with America!
And Es99 has it all over you interms of intelligence!

Turn up the thrash some more on winamp...f*&king idiot!

That's funny, I always thought the problem with our country was the vast numbers of unintelligent people who are allowed to vote.

They're even real easy to pick out, simply by their desire to use obscene language in direct violation of the rules, and their inability to make a valid point.

You might be an American, but I'm willing to bet it's been many years since a candidate you voted for won an election.

:)

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.....Since writing my response on this point, I have not been able to find this incident(Israeli tank driven over Palistinians in their home). Please let me know the particulars . . . there may be another side to the story.

Here is some information about the policy of destroying Palestinian homes House Destruction. I don't know if you have heard of the play that was put on here in London called "My Name is Rachel Corrie". This is a true story taken from her diaries about an American peace activist who was killed by a bulldozer destroying a home in Gaza. The play was supposed to have been put on in New York but then withdrawn as 'too sensitive'. I am telling you this without trying to score any points, but thought you might be interested.

Dear Hev,
If the terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it. But they haven't really done that since the Israeli's don't operate like that in Arab countries. In Arab countries most of the men in the house would be hanged, and the women throw into prison for an indeterminate time, and the childred given to distant relatives. Which is the more human form of punishment? Getting your house blown up or the state executing you, hmmmm...

BTW, Israel doesn't have capital punishment except in the case of genocide, and it has only been used once after a fair and public trial.

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Dear Hev,
If the terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it. But they haven't really done that since the Israeli's don't operate like that in Arab countries. In Arab countries most of the men in the house would be hanged, and the women throw into prison for an indeterminate time, and the childred given to distant relatives. Which is the more human form of punishment? Getting your house blown up or the state executing you, hmmmm...

Dogbytes, do we know who else was in Zarqawi's house when it was bombed?

People associating with a known criminal.

The phrase is "harboring a fugitive"

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Dear Hev,
If the terrorists were using their families house as a shelter in any Arab country they wouldn't just blow up the house, they'd blow up the house with the entire family still in it. But they haven't really done that since the Israeli's don't operate like that in Arab countries. In Arab countries most of the men in the house would be hanged, and the women throw into prison for an indeterminate time, and the childred given to distant relatives. Which is the more human form of punishment? Getting your house blown up or the state executing you, hmmmm...

Dogbytes, do we know who else was in Zarqawi's house when it was bombed?

It is war...when you bombed Germany were all the people in Dresden or Hamburg Nazis?

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