Yet there were Muslim led rally's denouncing the attacks. How come they weren't given the same coverage?

You also might want to ask yourself why the Palestinians would have such hatred for the US that they would be celebrating an act of mass murder perpetuated against them.

Where I was in the northeastern US, the TV networks and radio networks were preoccupied with the attacks and their direct consequences (evacuations, traffic re-routes, collapsing skyscrapers, etc.). There were short (15 or 30 second) reports from other parts of the world.

To give you an idea on how focused the news reporting was, a hurricane struck the southeastern US later that week. You'd have been hard-pressed to find mention of it on a TV broadcast in the northeast.

Unlike the UK, we don't have a royal family that owns the dominant news channel. At the time there were four major broadcast networks and two major wire services. The government did not tell them what foreign reaction to show on TV.

On 9/10/01, the headline sucking up all of the airtime was "Where is Chandra Levy?" For about the next week there was little news other than the direct effects of the attacks. Palestinian reaction was obviously deemed shocking enough that it warranted airtime side-by-side with a modern Pearl Harbor. Think about why that would be so shocking... it is because such rabid hatred is so alien to Americans' nature that the Palestinian behavior was just that shocking.

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LOL...point proven....your empire is finished. And we know why. Lack of courage and moral resolve not to mention bad philosophers....cry cry cry.

You've relegated your better men to exile themselves in order to maintain their integrity. Do you wish to elevate your country above soccer brawls and fistfights? What for? To what end and what goal? Where and when is the grand objective going to take place?

There is nothing ever left for a culture that blames another incessantly for its own failures and shortcomings....especially true when dealing with that culture's 'children'.

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Yet there were Muslim led rally's denouncing the attacks. How come they weren't given the same coverage?

Why don't you find an example of such a rally that took place within, oh let's say, a month of 9/11, when it was clear who was responsible for the attacks.

You also might want to ask yourself why the Palestinians would have such hatred for the US that they would be celebrating an act of mass murder perpetuated against them.

Are you suggesting that American's are somehow responsible for the 2,000+ murders on 9/11? Or that those murders were in some way justified? Why else would you connect Palistinian hatred of the US to this act? NOTHING Americans have done justifies those attacks, nor the callous disregard of the loss of life that was celebrated by Muslims so vividly in numerous videos.

So enlightened us. What are these things that make the Palestinians hate Americans? Do we speak insultingly to them? Tough. Do we take advantage of them in business? Too bad. Do we have troops in Saudi Arabia to protect them against their own enemies? So what. None of these things, none of them, justifies the attacks on 9/11. Enlightened us. Tell us what we've done to make them hate us so.

Are you suggesting that American's are somehow responsible for the 2,000+ murders on 9/11?

There are conspiracy theories (even inside Cafe SETI) about the 9/11 Twin Towers...

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Why don't you find an example of such a rally that took place within, oh let's say, a month of 9/11, when it was clear who was responsible for the attacks.

Here's a start
I'm sure you are just as capable as anybody else to find examples for yourself

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Why don't you find an example of such a rally that took place within, oh let's say, a month of 9/11, when it was clear who was responsible for the attacks.

Just one example of a Muslim Peace Rally. 20, 000 Muslims that do not condone the attacks of 9/11.

Are you suggesting that American's are somehow responsible for the 2,000+ murders on 9/11? Or that those murders were in some way justified? Why else would you connect Palistinian hatred of the US to this act? NOTHING Americans have done justifies those attacks, nor the callous disregard of the loss of life that was celebrated by Muslims so vividly in numerous videos.

So enlightened us. What are these things that make the Palestinians hate Americans? Do we speak insultingly to them? Tough. Do we take advantage of them in business? Too bad. Do we have troops in Saudi Arabia to protect them against their own enemies? So what. None of these things, none of them, justifies the attacks on 9/11. Enlightened us. Tell us what we've done to make them hate us so.

Are you seriously suggesting that the attacks were totally unprovoked? And before you have a fit about me supposedly supporting the attacks ..I do not. I think they were horrific and I wept on they day they happened. However, I was not as surprised by them as you seem to be. The US had been bombing Iraq for 10 years before the most recent invasion. The US helped put the Taliban in power. The US funded and trained Al Quida. The US has supported the Israelis while they drive tanks over Palestinian homes with women and children still inside. Tell me exactly how many Muslims celebrated 9/11? Tell me why you have been shown that footage again and again, yet you are not aware of all the peace rallies, prayer services, denunciations of terrorism and murder by thousands of other Muslims? Tell me why your media is so keen for you to hate Muslims?

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LOL...point proven....your empire is finished. And we know why. Lack of courage and moral resolve not to mention bad philosophers....cry cry cry.

You've relegated your better men to exile themselves in order to maintain their integrity. Do you wish to elevate your country above soccer brawls and fistfights? What for? To what end and what goal? Where and when is the grand objective going to take place?

There is nothing ever left for a culture that blames another incessantly for its own failures and shortcomings....especially true when dealing with that culture's 'children'.

The British Empire was founded on piracy and slavery. If that's what it takes have an empire I'd rather do without thank you.

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Yet there were Muslim led rally's denouncing the attacks. How come they weren't given the same coverage?

Why don't you find an example of such a rally that took place within, oh let's say, a month of 9/11, when it was clear who was responsible for the attacks.

You also might want to ask yourself why the Palestinians would have such hatred for the US that they would be celebrating an act of mass murder perpetuated against them.

Are you suggesting that American's are somehow responsible for the 2,000+ murders on 9/11? Or that those murders were in some way justified? Why else would you connect Palistinian hatred of the US to this act? NOTHING Americans have done justifies those attacks, nor the callous disregard of the loss of life that was celebrated by Muslims so vividly in numerous videos.

So enlightened us. What are these things that make the Palestinians hate Americans? Do we speak insultingly to them? Tough. Do we take advantage of them in business? Too bad. Do we have troops in Saudi Arabia to protect them against their own enemies? So what. None of these things, none of them, justifies the attacks on 9/11. Enlightened us. Tell us what we've done to make them hate us so.

Now this board is set....it is clear what the premises and the pre-set idealogies being brought to bear are.

Rationality is not a virtue and facts are matters of convenience, Tom. Look at all the outright antiwestern/anti americanism there is...

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Why don't you find an example of such a rally that took place within, oh let's say, a month of 9/11, when it was clear who was responsible for the attacks.

Just one example of a Muslim Peace Rally. 20, 000 Muslims that do not condone the attacks of 9/11.

Are you suggesting that American's are somehow responsible for the 2,000+ murders on 9/11? Or that those murders were in some way justified? Why else would you connect Palistinian hatred of the US to this act? NOTHING Americans have done justifies those attacks, nor the callous disregard of the loss of life that was celebrated by Muslims so vividly in numerous videos.

So enlightened us. What are these things that make the Palestinians hate Americans? Do we speak insultingly to them? Tough. Do we take advantage of them in business? Too bad. Do we have troops in Saudi Arabia to protect them against their own enemies? So what. None of these things, none of them, justifies the attacks on 9/11. Enlightened us. Tell us what we've done to make them hate us so.

Are you seriously suggesting that the attacks were totally unprovoked? And before you have a fit about me supposedly supporting the attacks ..I do not. I think they were horrific and I wept on they day they happened. However, I was not as surprised by them as you seem to be. The US had been bombing Iraq for 10 years before the most recent invasion. The US helped put the Taliban in power. The US funded and trained Al Quida. The US has supported the Israelis while they drive tanks over Palestinian homes with women and children still inside. Tell me exactly how many Muslims celebrated 9/11? Tell me why you have been shown that footage again and again, yet you are not aware of all the peace rallies, prayer services, denunciations of terrorism and murder by thousands of other Muslims? Tell me why your media is so keen for you to hate Muslims?

It is the terrorists that claimed to speak for all of Islam.

I think that it is important to treat people as individuals as much as is practical. No one bombed the CAIR event in retaliation for 9/11, because from the US side it is not a religious war that would put all Muslims on "the wrong side." From the al Qaeda side, it is a religious war that puts all non-Muslims on "the wrong side." Once all of non-Muslims are killed or driven out of the Middle East, it would then turn to sectarian violence leaving no one safe. (This is basically what happened with Christianity in Europe, except this time with modern weaponry.)

There has been a huge and obvious drop in al Qaeda's ability to attack "the infidels." This is a good thing. If the Left will actually let the US and its allies actually win the war, everyone will be better off (except the terrorists, of course).

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Now this board is set....it is clear what the premises and the pre-set idealogies being brought to bear are.

Rationality is not a virtue and facts are matters of convenience, Tom. Look at all the outright antiwestern/anti americanism there is...

Does being against irrational hatred make me anti western/anti american? What a strange world you live in Robert where you imagine yourself to be objective and rational when you are the most illogically biased and irrational person I think I have ever come across.

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It is the terrorists that claimed to speak for all of Islam.

I think that it is important to treat people as individuals as much as is practical. No one bombed the CAIR event in retaliation for 9/11, because from the US side it is not a religious war that would put all Muslims on "the wrong side." From the al Qaeda side, it is a religious war that puts all non-Muslims on "the wrong side." Once all of non-Muslims are killed or driven out of the Middle East, it would then turn to sectarian violence leaving no one safe. (This is basically what happened with Christianity in Europe, except this time with modern weaponry.)

There has been a huge and obvious drop in al Qaeda's ability to attack "the infidels." This is a good thing. If the Left will actually let the US and its allies actually win the war, everyone will be better off (except the terrorists, of course).

Not a religious war from the US side? That would be why Bush called it a Crusade then.

Perhaps next time the US decide to start a war on terror they could invade the country where the terrorists were actually from....Saudi Arabia wasn't it?

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Now this board is set....it is clear what the premises and the pre-set idealogies being brought to bear are.

Rationality is not a virtue and facts are matters of convenience, Tom. Look at all the outright antiwestern/anti americanism there is...

Does being against irrational hatred make me anti western/anti american? What a strange world you live in Robert where you imagine yourself to be objective and rational when you are the most illogically biased and irrational person I think I have ever come across.

LOL....I'll restrain my own laughter....

At least I don't advocate killing the Jews...

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Why don't you find an example of such a rally that took place within, oh let's say, a month of 9/11, when it was clear who was responsible for the attacks.

Here's a start I'm sure you are just as capable as anybody else to find examples for yourself

Fine, I'm not saying that all Muslims were happy about the 9/11 attacks, but I did ask for Es99 to give examples of a rally that took place within the time that it was clear who was responsible. Statements by the Council on American-Islamic Relations are not rallies and are not exactly the kind of counter demonstration your daughter has suggested took place.

It is the terrorists that claimed to speak for all of Islam.

I think that it is important to treat people as individuals as much as is practical. No one bombed the CAIR event in retaliation for 9/11, because from the US side it is not a religious war that would put all Muslims on "the wrong side." From the al Qaeda side, it is a religious war that puts all non-Muslims on "the wrong side." Once all of non-Muslims are killed or driven out of the Middle East, it would then turn to sectarian violence leaving no one safe. (This is basically what happened with Christianity in Europe, except this time with modern weaponry.)

There has been a huge and obvious drop in al Qaeda's ability to attack "the infidels." This is a good thing. If the Left will actually let the US and its allies actually win the war, everyone will be better off (except the terrorists, of course).

Not a religious war from the US side? That would be why Bush called it a Crusade then.

Perhaps next time the US decide to start a war on terror they could invade the country where the terrorists were actually from....Saudi Arabia wasn't it?

Did Saudi Arabia originate the attacks? No, and it would have been foolish to try. Al Qaeda originated the attacks, and did so in a way calculated to provoke an overwelming and unthinking response. Al Qaeda did not pick mostly Saudi operatives because they were the best trained... al Qaeda did this because it would like to see the Saudi government toppled.

The Taliban harbored al Qaeda, even after it was made perfectly clear to them what the cost would be.

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LOL....I'll restrain my own laughter....

At least I don't advocate killing the Jews...

That's something at least Mr Non Sequitur man.

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Fine, I'm not saying that all Muslims were happy about the 9/11 attacks, but I did ask for Es99 to give examples of a rally that took place within the time that it was clear who was responsible. Statements by the Council on American-Islamic Relations are not rallies and are not exactly the kind of counter demonstration your daughter has suggested took place.

I'm terribly sorry Mr Koenig, I was in a hurry and I thought you could actually find some examples yourself.

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I'm sure Tom Koenig, Octagon, etc are busy finding excuses to blame the jews like you are......

Give them time....
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I'm sure Tom Koenig, Octagon, etc are busy finding excuses to blame the jews like you are......

Give them time....
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It's not clear who you are responding to here

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I'm sure Tom Koenig, Octagon, etc are busy finding excuses to blame the jews like you are......

Give them time....
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It's not clear who you are responding to here

Neither am I...?

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Why don't you find an example of such a rally that took place within, oh let's say, a month of 9/11, when it was clear who was responsible for the attacks.

Just one example of a Muslim Peace Rally. 20, 000 Muslims that do not condone the attacks of 9/11.

This happened December, 2005. It happened more than four years after 9/11. Why so long?

Are you suggesting that American's are somehow responsible for the 2,000+ murders on 9/11? Or that those murders were in some way justified? Why else would you connect Palistinian hatred of the US to this act? NOTHING Americans have done justifies those attacks, nor the callous disregard of the loss of life that was celebrated by Muslims so vividly in numerous videos.

So enlightened us. What are these things that make the Palestinians hate Americans? Do we speak insultingly to them? Tough. Do we take advantage of them in business? Too bad. Do we have troops in Saudi Arabia to protect them against their own enemies? So what. None of these things, none of them, justifies the attacks on 9/11. Enlightened us. Tell us what we've done to make them hate us so.

Are you seriously suggesting that the attacks were totally unprovoked?

Totally unjustified, I never said unprovoked. Provoked is in the minds of the terrorists, who I am sure think they were provoked, but are you seriously suggesting they were justified?

And before you have a fit about me supposedly supporting the attacks ..I do not. I think they were horrific and I wept on they day they happened. However, I was not as surprised by them as you seem to be.

I am not surprised that the attacks happened, I'm just saying that they were unjustified. I understand that many in the Middle East are jealous of Americans and hate Israel so much that any country allied with the Israelis is an automatic enemy, but that does not justify 9/11.

The US had been bombing Iraq for 10 years before the most recent invasion.

You know this is not a valid reason. The US and other coalition forces, enforcing the no-fly zone that Iraq agreed to, fired back at Iraqi gunsites violating the cease-fire agreement.

The US helped put the Taliban in power.

So they hate us for putting the Taliban in power? That makes no sense, since the Taliban is fighting us and supported Al Qaeda. Anyway, we supported Afghanistanis in their fight against the Soviet Union, but in no way did we "put the Taliban in power".

The US funded and trained Al Quida.

Wrong again. We supported anti-Soviet fighters, who formed into the loose organization referred to as Al Qaeda after the Soviets were defeated.

The US has supported the Israelis while they drive tanks over Palestinian homes with women and children still inside.

[Edit]: Since writing my response on this point, I have not been able to find this incident. Please let me know the particulars . . . there may be another side to the story.

Screw off. What American drove a tank in the Israeli army? How did the Pentagon make any decision that the Israelis had to treat Palistinians this way? But if economic aid to Israel justifies attacks on the US, then perhaps you now agree the war in Iraq is justified, since Saddam gave money to the families of suicide bombers. I mean, it's the same thing.

Tell me exactly how many Muslims celebrated 9/11? Tell me why you have been shown that footage again and again, yet you are not aware of all the peace rallies, prayer services, denunciations of terrorism and murder by thousands of other Muslims? Tell me why your media is so keen for you to hate Muslims?

We haven't been shown that video again and again, but I do remember it. I am aware that some Muslims, most notably in the US, have denounced 9/11, but you still have not shown rallies expressing sentiments that were in any way contemporary with and in opposition to those gun-firing celebrations. And you still have not been able to justify the hatred of America that you say you understand.