Only caught part of this on Rush this morning, and I can't find any news articles online right now, and my lunch-break is almost over.....

However, I heard the "Stay the Course" resolution passed both the Senate and the House with flying colors.

Did I misunderstand the fraction of the story I heard, or did we just prove yet again that regardless of how much propaganda put forth by the left, that they and their opinions are still a minority in this country?

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By Enigma:
I don't believe the term "American" qualifies as a race. Goodness, comatose and illiterate.....

The only Americans i am referring to is the small group, that visit and actively participate in THIS thread.

It may be an idea to engage your brain before you start calling people names etc, oh but that's about all you guys are good at - name calling.

Pathetic.

By Es99:
You hate what Israel is doing therefore you must be anti-Jewish, you hate what America is doing, therefore you must be anti-American, I hate what the UK is doing, therefore I must be anti-British.

So according to the logic of these people I am now racist against myself...I'd better call myself names and then put myself on filter...

By me:
That's not being fair. Enigma posited that Israel would "nuke" the Middle East, notwithstanding the fact that they have had the bomb for decades and have not used it. So, how would you categorize her anti-Israeli remark? Was it valid? Or did it unfairly portray them? Sounds a little prejudiced to me.

That Enigma, what a character! She calls me names then accuses me of calling her names. She fails to support her wild claims, then accuses me of failing to support my claims. She lies about what I have said, then when presented with the evidence that she was wrong, she goes on without ever apologizing or even acknowledging her error. But, I guess we all know silly geese like that.

By Enigma:
Perhaps you should try the mirror sometime.....

Dear Enigma:

You continually insult my country:

In this post you said, “Arguably the worst thing that can happen to the world is to have more countries like America or Iraq. Certainly turning Iraq/Afganistan etc into American clones is a recipe for disaster.” Completely ignoring the fact that the brutal dictatorship in Iraq and the murderous theocracy in Afghanistan are becoming democracies.

In this post you said, “But the US just loves war so much, it can't get enough.” Completely ignoring the fact that Saddam started hostilities when he invaded Kuwait, and that Al Qaeda killed more than 2,000 people on 9/11.

You continually lie, misquote and feign personal attacks when you have no argument:

In this post you said, “You love citing documents that you have not actually read and understood.”, and “So now some of you fall back to arguments such as “the war never ended” so it was perfectly legal to invade…..with again no support documents or argument just biased opinions.” When it was you who clearly did not understand what you read; and there were plenty of links to “support” documents.

In this post you said “So now some of you fall back to arguments such as “the war never ended” so it was perfectly legal to invade…..with again no support documents or argument just biased opinions.”, when you have been referred to the documents over and over again by me, Octagon, Misfit and others. Indeed, it seems that you did not read them, because if you did, you never said one word about why they don’t support the position that the war is perfectly legal.

In this post you said “No you just start attacking the person who is making the argument and continue to spout conjecture, rather than building an argument for further discussion. This line of argument is not logical and is a sure sign that you don't know what you are talking about.”, which was neither an attack on you nor conjecture, as evidence had repeatedly been given to you. Then you insult me, saying my argument is “not logical” and that I “ don’t know what I am talking about.” So, what are you saying here? Am I 1) attacking you; 2) spouting conjecture; or 3) making an argument that is not logical? It can’t be all three.

And in that same post you cite to an opinion of Kofi Annan that is not backed up by any “support documents or argument just biased opinions”; this is exactly what you have accused me of doing, so you could claim that my argument was without merit. So, by your logic, the site you linked to has no merit.

In this post you said, “Your response. Personal attack. [sincere mode=on] I am truly sorry as i confused you as someone that is capable of mature, rational, intelligent debate. My mistake, it won't happen again.” So, you complain about what you perceive as a “personal attack” then do the same? Perhaps you are not so morally opposed to personal attacks when they are made by you.

In this post you completely misstated my point. I even tried to be gracious about my post, and you turned that against me in a later post.

In this post you misquoted me saying, “‘Disassembled and export their 'WMD'’. You have to be joking?? Lets apply occams razor here.” Which I never said. I pointed out to you that I never said that, but you never apologized for misquoting me. Then, in that post, you accused me of making a “baseless personally directed accusation[s]”, simply because I labeled you what you are: an apologist (for terrorists) and a self-righteous twit (look it up).

In this post, when I said you shouldn’t “throw up your hands” that means (to any English speaker who is not ignorant) “to give up”, but your response was, “No body is throwing anything anywhere; I think you need to calm down….LOL…”, as if I was raving at you. No rational reading of my post would lead anyone to believe I needed to calm down. (Even this post is meant to be educational, and to point out your errors, but I am not ranting. Oh, maybe a little raving at the end).

When I call you on your lies, you ignore me:

In this post I said “A pattern is emerging here. Enigma will claim anything, whether it happened or not (whether it was said or not) and try to make points. Well, that is an unfair way to argue. When I claimed that Beethoven said something and he had actually said just the opposite, I admitted my mistake and apologized. Let's just see what happens now.”; in this post I said, “Then you completely bypass my comments in your previous post that I never said the things you claim I did. Show me where I said those things! You can't make up a statement out of thin air, say I said it and then claim I was wrong. I know all about using a straw-man argument, and it is invalid.”; and in this post I said, “Dear, dear Enigma, it is perfectly clear that you don't wish to discuss this topic like an adult. And I say this, sweetie, because you have not heard a word I said, and you claim I said things that I did not say.” You did not respond to the merits of my arguments nor to my requests that you admit your errors.

These examples are from only the last 2-3 weeks. I have (mostly) avoided examples that show you do the same with other posters, and where you simply avoid answering direct questions that have been put to you.

You asked me to look in a mirror, well, when I look in a mirror, I see an honest man, or at least one who tries to be. When I look at you I am horrified by your ugliness, perhaps not physical ugliness, but a twisted, shriveled mind; a black heart; and a distorted sense of morality that make me shudder and recoil. I certainly hope you do not look in a mirror.

Dude, why even waste your time on a third world piece of crap?

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Dude, why even waste your time on a third world piece of crap?

I responded for all those who agree with her, and who think she is such a font of reason and knowlege. And even though I know I will not change their minds (or hers), I want them to know there is another side to her psuedo-rhetoric.

Dude, why even waste your time on a third world piece of crap?

I responded for all those who agree with her, and who think she is such a font of reason and knowlege. And even though I know I will not change their minds (or hers), I want them to know there is another side to her psuedo-rhetoric.

So Brainsmashr is your friend now? I thought you were better than that Tom.

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Dude, why even waste your time on a third world piece of crap?

I responded for all those who agree with her, and who think she is such a font of reason and knowlege. And even though I know I will not change their minds (or hers), I want them to know there is another side to her psuedo-rhetoric.

Tom, I thought Enigma was a 'he'...I thought your post was entirely entertaining and made me bust a gut.....I didn't know that Enigma had supposedly made those comments that were defensive of terrorists though. I like him although we disagree on most things...but I'll reread your links to see where he (she?) is coming from....

Dude, why even waste your time on a third world piece of crap?

I responded for all those who agree with her, and who think she is such a font of reason and knowlege. And even though I know I will not change their minds (or hers), I want them to know there is another side to her psuedo-rhetoric.

So Brainsmashr is your friend now? I thought you were better than that Tom.

I broke my rule about not responding to him. That does not make him my friend. What kind of argument is that, Es99?

I heard the "Stay the Course" resolution passed both the Senate and the House with flying colors.

Since we all follow are 'Demon-Haunted World' by Carl Sagan... I would suggest reading the last two chapters very carefully as they pertain to politics...

Just because something passes in Government does not mean that it represents the majority of the people, nor does it mean that the opposition is in the minority... What It does mean is that there is the possibility that Government has gained too much power over the people... Which is both unpatriotic and unconstitutional... ;)

I broke my rule about not responding to him. That does not make him my friend. What kind of argument is that, Es99?

Because you didn't even see what was wrong with what he said about Enigma, all you cared about was that he agreed with you. Whatever your issue with Enigma should have nothing to do with where he/she comes from.

..and BTW, although it is not really important, is Enigma a woman or are you just trying to be insulting?

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why exactly would it be an insult to be thought of as a 'she' ?

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Tom, I thought Enigma was a 'he'...I thought your post was entirely entertaining and made me bust a gut.....I didn't know that Enigma had supposedly made those comments that were defensive of terrorists though. I like him although we disagree on most things...but I'll reread your links to see where he (she?) is coming from....

I got the impression somewhere that Enigma was female, but I may be wrong. It doesn't change what I have said. As for defending terrorists, I actually said she was an "apologist", which means, in this case, that she finds reasons to side with, explain or excuse their actions, perhaps short of defending them.

Tom, I thought Enigma was a 'he'...I thought your post was entirely entertaining and made me bust a gut.....I didn't know that Enigma had supposedly made those comments that were defensive of terrorists though. I like him although we disagree on most things...but I'll reread your links to see where he (she?) is coming from....

I got the impression somewhere that Enigma was female, but I may be wrong. It doesn't change what I have said. As for defending terrorists, I actually said she was an "apologist", which means, in this case, that she finds reasons to side with, explain or excuse their actions, perhaps short of defending them.

Yeah, I understand that. And it's incidental what gender Enigma is...

Like you said, all of that is immaterial to your outlayed arguments.

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

why exactly would it be an insult to be thought of as a 'she' ?

Personally I think it's wonderful to be a woman, but when guys call each other girls it's usually meant as an insult...that's why I asked.

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I broke my rule about not responding to him. That does not make him my friend. What kind of argument is that, Es99?

Because you didn't even see what was wrong with what he said about Enigma, all you cared about was that he agreed with you. Whatever your issue with Enigma should have nothing to do with where he/she comes from.

..and BTW, although it is not really important, is Enigma a woman or are you just trying to be insulting?

First, his remark was surprisingly mild, in that she claims to be from Malaysia and she spouts, well, crap. Second, I did not condone his remark, but I explained his crudely put question. Third, if he agrees with me on this issue, that seems to be all you care about, not whether I am right or wrong about Enigma. Finally, I don't believe calling someone "she" when they are really "he" is an insult, and I will happily apologize if I am wrong. But I am disappointed that you either think I was being intentionally insulting, or that you bring up the point just to find some way to oppose me.

You asked me to look in a mirror, well, when I look in a mirror, I see an honest man, or at least one who tries to be. When I look at you I am horrified by your ugliness, perhaps not physical ugliness, but a twisted, shriveled mind; a black heart; and a distorted sense of morality that make me shudder and recoil. I certainly hope you do not look in a mirror.

I find this statement to be utterly amusing...

Remember the old saying:

Even the ugliest of babies looks cute to their mommy and daddy... ;)

why exactly would it be an insult to be thought of as a 'she' ?

Personally I think it's wonderful to be a woman, but when guys call each other girls it's usually meant as an insult...that's why I asked.

Alot of times I wish I could trade in my shoulderblades and narrow hips....along with height and become a woman for a while but no luck.

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I don't think Koenig was insulting anyone. He was just addressing the issues he wished to disagree with Enigma on. I don't recall whether he is msle or female....and apparanttly neither does Mr. Koenig as he has stated such and has also expressed that that particular fact is not relevent to the current situation. I think that is a particularly important point given the fact that issues sometimes become derailed through divergent tactics that are not germane to the topic at hand, much less the logic...

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Tom, I think ES99 was pulling your chain using some sardonic humo(u)r. :)

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Alot of times I wish I could trade in my shoulderblades and narrow hips....along with height and become a woman for a while but no luck.

Christine went to Denmark...

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Alot of times I wish I could trade in my shoulderblades and narrow hips....along with height and become a woman for a while but no luck.

Christine went to Denmark...

DB, could you shave off this muscle mass and fit me with a wig to complete the process? lol....I'll seek private consulations for the anatomical adjustments..thanks.

First, his remark was surprisingly mild, in that she claims to be from Malaysia and she spouts, well, crap. Second, I did not condone his remark, but I explained his crudely put question. Third, if he agrees with me on this issue, that seems to be all you care about, not whether I am right or wrong about Enigma. Finally, I don't believe calling someone "she" when they are really "he" is an insult, and I will happily apologize if I am wrong. But I am disappointed that you either think I was being intentionally insulting, or that you bring up the point just to find some way to oppose my position.

It was something I had wondered about for a while so I asked. If I knew why you were doing it I wouldn't have asked, so please don't get paranoid about it.

I read through your post to her and I actually thought you were over reacting. I don't think she has said anything particularly awful to you apart from getting frustrated with the way you argue. After all, you have a habit of putting people down when they don't agree with you, you have difficulty separating criticisms of your government from criticisms of yourself, and often refuse to accept the validity of any evidence that people do provide for you when you demand it. Personally I don't really want to bother arguing with you sometimes because you will always find away to dismiss things that you don't like the sound of and don't fit in with your world view.

Please bear in mind, this is not a personal attack, just my observations. I still like you as a person.

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