and yet it seems that at periods throughout history that we have stories from the early egyptians, myans, chinese etc aluding to things that move in the sky...We have stories today of pilots that see things that are not normal aircraft.

aahh! The sweet, sweet taste of pure oxygen being fed to your lungs...

?? not quite sure what you mean

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Just being facetious... as if pure oxygen made you delusional and cause pilots (high altitude, fighter jets, etc) to see things.

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and yet it seems that at periods throughout history that we have stories from the early egyptians, myans, chinese etc aluding to things that move in the sky...We have stories today of pilots that see things that are not normal aircraft.

aahh! The sweet, sweet taste of pure oxygen being fed to your lungs...

?? not quite sure what you mean

[Serious mode on]

Just being facetious... as if pure oxygen made you delusional and cause pilots (high altitude, fighter jets, etc) to see things.

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Wow, i didn't realise the cameras on the planes suffered from the same problem.... must be contagious....

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My delusions don't result from Oxygen...lol

There have been quite a few instances of what appear to be UFOs showing up in ancient artworks.

A few examples can be found here http://www.marsearthconnection.com/ancientart.html

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My delusions don't result from Oxygen...lol

There have been quite a few instances of what appear to be UFOs showing up in ancient artworks.

A few examples can be found here http://www.marsearthconnection.com/ancientart.html

The Aborigine paintings from Kimberley are awesome! I can see gray people!
Thanks!

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Man, give me a friggin break. There's no proof, anywhere; nobody has even a remopte shred of evidence, just something people who also invented jackal-headed gods claim happened before science was developped.


Come on. If there were some solid evidence, things would be different, but really, there's nothing but hearsay, rumours, and outright hoaxes.

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Man, give me a friggin break. There's no proof, anywhere; nobody has even a remopte shred of evidence, just something people who also invented jackal-headed gods claim happened before science was developped.


Come on. If there were some solid evidence, things would be different, but really, there's nothing but hearsay, rumours, and outright hoaxes.

Easy there Chuck....lol.

Look, doesn't it seem just a LITTLE odd to you that things that appear to be UFOs show up in paintings and drawings from times long BEFORE people ever started to report seeing them?

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Man, give me a friggin break. There's no proof, anywhere; nobody has even a remopte shred of evidence, just something people who also invented jackal-headed gods claim happened before science was developped.


Come on. If there were some solid evidence, things would be different, but really, there's nothing but hearsay, rumours, and outright hoaxes.

Easy there Chuck....lol.

Look, doesn't it seem just a LITTLE odd to you that things that appear to be UFOs show up in paintings and drawings from times long BEFORE people ever started to report seeing them?

And etched in stone...1,000 yrs ago...

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Look, doesn't it seem just a LITTLE odd to you that things that appear to be UFOs show up in paintings and drawings from times long BEFORE people ever started to report seeing them?

Sorta like the one in my profile... ;)

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'The Crucifixion'
Painted in 1350...
Located above the altar at the Visoki Decani Monestary in Kosovo, Yugoslavia...

Man, give me a friggin break. There's no proof, anywhere; nobody has even a remopte shred of evidence, just something people who also invented jackal-headed gods claim happened before science was developped.


Come on. If there were some solid evidence, things would be different, but really, there's nothing but hearsay, rumours, and outright hoaxes.

Easy there Chuck....lol.

Look, doesn't it seem just a LITTLE odd to you that things that appear to be UFOs show up in paintings and drawings from times long BEFORE people ever started to report seeing them?

Geez get a grip MAN! You are just using your 'pattern matching' cognitive processes to think it looks like a UFO or a Grey Man, we are always looking for patterns!

Pure coincidence! Nothing more, nothing less.

The aborigines probably had one too many gum leaves (oh wait, thats koalas! ) and were hallucinating!

Also the Australian Aborigines were isolated on a damn big island for near 40,000 years with basically no contact with any other human civilisation until the Dutch landed (a few hundred years ago) so they were probably just lonely (and hallucinating).

This is the most scientific explanation i can think of.

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Man, give me a friggin break. There's no proof, anywhere; nobody has even a remopte shred of evidence, just something people who also invented jackal-headed gods claim happened before science was developped.


Come on. If there were some solid evidence, things would be different, but really, there's nothing but hearsay, rumours, and outright hoaxes.

Easy there Chuck....lol.

Look, doesn't it seem just a LITTLE odd to you that things that appear to be UFOs show up in paintings and drawings from times long BEFORE people ever started to report seeing them?

Geez get a grip MAN! You are just using your 'pattern matching' cognitive processes to think it looks like a UFO or a Grey Man, we are always looking for patterns!

Pure coincidence! Nothing more, nothing less.

The aborigines probably had one too many gum leaves (oh wait, thats koalas! ) and were hallucinating!

Also the Australian Aborigines were isolated on a damn big island for near 40,000 years with basically no contact with any other human civilisation until the Dutch landed (a few hundred years ago) so they were probably just lonely (and hallucinating).

This is the most scientific explanation i can think of.

Get a grip? Do you BELIEVE the explanation you just put forth? lol

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At the risk of sounding too serious about this whole discussion, I'll venture that at least some of these paintings can be explained as artistic expression. I mean, today we have what, hundreds? thousands? of different ways in which you can paint the exact same thing (cubism, etc) and painters, just like writers, are free to take whatever artistic license they want to express themselves.

The resemblance between the Aborigines paintings and the modern day concept of what a "gray" looks like is uncanny. However, it could have just been the artist's way of expressing spirits, or just fellow humans. But today it is us who say: "Hey look! They knew about extraterrestrials!".

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At the risk of sounding too serious about this whole discussion, I'll venture that at least some of these paintings can be explained as artistic expression. I mean, today we have what, hundreds? thousands? of different ways in which you can paint the exact same thing (cubism, etc) and painters, just like writers, are free to take whatever artistic license they want to express themselves.

The resemblance between the Aborigines paintings and the modern day concept of what a "gray" looks like is uncanny. However, it could have just been the artist's way of expressing spirits, or just fellow humans. But today it is us who say: "Hey look! They knew about extraterrestrials!".

That seems to be a fair assessment. They very well could have been early examples of " artistic license ".

Keep in mind though, that some of the early artwork included objects in the sky when humans hadn'tcome even close to that technology at that point.

It is possible that someone chucked a hat into the air and the artist was " representing " that, but we will never know because we can't ask 'em.

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That seems to be a fair assessment. They very well could have been early examples of " artistic license ".

Keep in mind though, that some of the early artwork included objects in the sky when humans hadn'tcome even close to that technology at that point.

It is possible that someone chucked a hat into the air and the artist was " representing " that, but we will never know because we can't ask 'em.

Imagine how pristine and quiet their environment would have been. I mean there would have been almost no randomness in 'aborigonal Australia'. Very few people, (certainly no one that looks different, only a single race) no technology (except for hunting weapons and fire). Just a few nomadic tribes and a bunch of 4 legged animals (okay, kangaroos have 2) on a single huge landmass.

Where would you get inspiration from as an artist?

Probably from the hunt (hence drawings of hunters and animals) and.... perhaps stars, meteorites and coments....

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What the hell is jeffrey trying to say now??? At least this didn't sound like utter drivel, just inane babbling.

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What the hell is jeffrey trying to say now??? At least this didn't sound like utter drivel, just inane babbling.

Well, I suppose we could ask him. But then we would have to try to decipher the answer. lol

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