Name 2 places that you have heard of that "may" have had a UFO crash. AND that at least made a newspaper apperance for the incident.

Hardly, Jeffrey. I make neither type 1 or type 2 errors. I see what is actually there to be seen. Why should some ancient writer go well out of his way to describe in the most unambiguous of manners, the beauty of NOT an older mature male, but a young and idealized male. I'm sure the homo males love the description, for it is exactly what they seek.
The rule against homosexuality is preserved, for it is not overtly stated, and the significant population of 'closet' homo males (which has been PROVEN in numerous studies in numerous countries to lie somewhere around 30% more or less)is ALSO retained for your religion. Otherwise, you would have a good 30% of your male population unavailable for your religion and jihads!

I notice you ignored the post about what moden day hardcore afghanis did to russian soldiers!

I notice you have also said NOTHING about the proof I provided to you - have you ACTUALLY gone out to find "OASIS IN SPACE? Or were you lying to me when you said you wanted proof? ANSWER THE QUESTION INSTEAD OF DODGING IT

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Now.....I REPOSTED this for the benefit of those of you who have decided to either completely ignore it or just didn't happen to see it in the first place. If you want to talk about philosophy, fine, do it in the OTHER THREAD. THAT is what it is there for. I did not make THIS thread to be a TWIN of the other. THIS thread is an ALTERNATIVE for the people who wanted to get away from all the arrogance of those who feel we are inferior for not thinking the way they do.

If you can't deal with the thought that people may not accept EVERYTHING out of hand just because you think they should...or because " science " says so...GO TO THE OTHER THREAD....this is NOT the place for you.

Let me see if I can capture some of the "light hearted-ness" here.

This is my totally un-scientific personal >opinion< of why I don't think UFOs are of Alien Intelligence origin:
Why the heck would a space faring species travel half way across the galaxy (or half of that, or half of half of that) to play a big game of hide and seek with us? Now you see me, now you don't!
When we advance sufficiently enough to travel to other stars, would we do the same thing to whatever "lower" life forms we encounter?
Would we go: "I'm Mr. Smith from Earth, I come in peace, pleased to meet you and take me to your leader"
or would we go: pick-a-boo!!

I do hope you get at least a small chuckle from the above stated opinion.
Regards.

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There are three basic types, Mr. Pizer, the wills, the won'ts, and the can'ts. The wills accomplish everything, the won'ts oppose everything, and the can'ts won't try anything.

Let me see if I can capture some of the "light hearted-ness" here.

This is my totally un-scientific personal >opinion< of why I don't think UFOs are of Alien Intelligence origin:
Why the heck would a space faring species travel half way across the galaxy (or half of that, or half of half of that) to play a big game of hide and seek with us? Now you see me, now you don't!
When we advance sufficiently enough to travel to other stars, would we do the same thing to whatever "lower" life forms we encounter?
Would we go: "I'm Mr. Smith from Earth, I come in peace, pleased to meet you and take me to your leader"
or would we go: pick-a-boo!!

I do hope you get at least a small chuckle from the above stated opinion.
Regards.

What if they want to observe/study us in our 'natural habitat'?? (they would have to use pick-a-boo tactics).

I mean look at the extent we humans go (with our meager technology) to study baboons or a rare species of butterfly etc etc. If you were an advanced civilisation with inter-galactic travel and the ability to harness a virtually unlimited supply of power what would you do?? Sit at home and watch TV?

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What if they want to observe/study us in our 'natural habitat'?? (they would have to use pick-a-boo tactics).
I mean look at the extent we humans go (with our meager technology) to study baboons or a rare species of butterfly etc etc.

Well, not exactly pick-a-boo in this instance (baboons). Zoologists must remain completely hidden in order not to alter the normal behavior of the subject being studied. If they see you, they alter their behavior and you must start over.

In other instances (butterflies) we study in plain sight of the subject.

If you were an advanced civilisation with inter-galactic travel and the ability to harness a virtually unlimited supply of power what would you do?? Sit at home and watch TV?

Yes!!!! You earthlings have some great shows... whoops! Did I say that out loud?
I meant to say... they must have equally advanced and engaging entertainment.

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There are three basic types, Mr. Pizer, the wills, the won'ts, and the can'ts. The wills accomplish everything, the won'ts oppose everything, and the can'ts won't try anything.

Maybe they want to watch American Idol but their reception sucks. No cable in deep space you know.

Then again, maybe THEY are as tired of " reality " shows as I am and want to blow up the planet so the idiots will stop making them.

* looks for his design for the " Hollywood " bomb *

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What if they want to observe/study us in our 'natural habitat'?? (they would have to use pick-a-boo tactics).
I mean look at the extent we humans go (with our meager technology) to study baboons or a rare species of butterfly etc etc.

Well, not exactly pick-a-boo in this instance (baboons). Zoologists must remain completely hidden in order not to alter the normal behavior of the subject being studied. If they see you, they alter their behavior and you must start over.

In other instances (butterflies) we study in plain sight of the subject.

If you were an advanced civilisation with inter-galactic travel and the ability to harness a virtually unlimited supply of power what would you do?? Sit at home and watch TV?

Yes!!!! You earthlings have some great shows... whoops! Did I say that out loud?
I meant to say... they must have equally advanced and engaging entertainment.

But if you think about it from 'their' (e.t.) perspective it doesn't sound that ridiculous. Running around the galaxy(s) documenting any sentient life, tagging it and possibly sending a 'research team' to camp and track their progress for the next few hundred years ( i mean they may have incredibly long life spans ).

If you look at where bioscience is going in unlocking the secrets to cell regeneration even for us (mankind) significantly extended life may be less than 100 years away!

Cynthia Kenyon: Probing the Prospects of Perpetual Youth

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If you look at where bioscience is going in unlocking the secrets to cell regeneration even for us (mankind) significantly extended life may be less than 100 years away!

Now THERE is a comforting thought. All the truly stupid people will get to live longer. Somehow, using science to extend people's lifespans doesn't seem like a very good idea.

Whatever happened to " survival of the fittest " ?

* shudders *

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Now THERE is a comforting thought. All the truly stupid people will get to live longer. Somehow, using science to extend people's lifespans doesn't seem like a very good idea.

Whatever happened to " survival of the fittest " ?

That won't change. In the early stages of such treatments they will be exceeding expensive. Not to mention, that living significantly longer means being able to support yourself for that time as well.

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[quote]Now THERE is a comforting thought. All the truly stupid people will get to live longer. Somehow, using science to extend people's lifespans doesn't seem like a very good idea.

Whatever happened to " survival of the fittest " ?

That won't change. In the early stages of such treatments they will be exceeding expensive.

Sorry Rush, but that isn't any more comforting than the idea of idiots being able to live for 125 years. Just because you ( not YOU ) have enough MONEY to afford the treatment doesn't mean that you are the " fittest ". I shudder to think that just because George W Bush has the money to get the treatment...he would be able to live to be 150 years old or older.

Not to mention, that living significantly longer means being able to support yourself for that time as well.

The number of people who are unemployed now ( In the state I live in ) is rather high. Just ecause they have the ABILITY to support themselves for a longer period of time doesn't mean they will have the OPPORTUNITY.

Oh wait. That comes back to having enough MONEY for the treatments. It sounds a bit like " thinning the herd ". Get rid of the poor people by making the cost of the treatments out of reach. That way only the rich people will be left. After all, we all KNOW that the richest among us are the ones that deserve to live the longer than the rest of us.

So who is it that gets to decide who gets the treatments?

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IF... and its a big "if"... alien's have/are visiting they would possibly have some of the same dilemmas we would have if we ventured out there

A policy of NON-INTERVENTION.. hands off end of story... rule 29876 in the galactic travellers manual.. thou shalt not !!! etc

A desire to look... but then we test/display/use nukes and they realise we just may blow them into hot ash

Monitoring to assess the rate of "intelligent" growth.. or otherwise

so what arguments would they have for not openly showing themselves?

IF... and its a big "if"... alien's have/are visiting they would possibly have some of the same dilemmas we would have if we ventured out there

A policy of NON-INTERVENTION.. hands off end of story... rule 29876 in the galactic travellers manual.. thou shalt not !!! etc

A desire to look... but then we test/display/use nukes and they realise we just may blow them into hot ash

Monitoring to assess the rate of "intelligent" growth.. or otherwise

so what arguments would they have for not openly showing themselves?

Ya know....that is one of the more clear arguments for why they wouldn't actually CONTACT us. "IF" they are visiting, maybe they are just trying to get us to open our eyes and stop our self destructive behavior?

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IF... and its a big "if"... alien's have/are visiting they would possibly have some of the same dilemmas we would have if we ventured out there

A policy of NON-INTERVENTION.. hands off end of story... rule 29876 in the galactic travellers manual.. thou shalt not !!! etc

A desire to look... but then we test/display/use nukes and they realise we just may blow them into hot ash

Monitoring to assess the rate of "intelligent" growth.. or otherwise

so what arguments would they have for not openly showing themselves?

I think it would come down to "why bother". Nothing to gain, nothing to lose, except tampering with an adolescent species (MAN). It may be an ethical constraint depending on the nature of their ethics.

1. They would see us first
2. They would identify us as having not achieved light speed or greater travel

therefore

NO RISK. (they can come and go as they please) - We can't exactly follow them home..... or nuke'm

Given that a civilisation has attained a state of 'high tech' and survived (read weaponary) they have probably had high technology for several millenia (e.g. they starting building computers 5000 years ago) as a precursor to their survival (of weaponary etc) they developed very advanced 'social norms' and behavior etc (i.e. they probably understand themselves very well).

If this is a rough baseline of their development, how would they view Man? And why would they even want to consider contacting us (better just to study). They could probably disguise themselves within society without us having a clue.

Solid hologram and a babelfish off you go.....

I am sure they would be far more interested in contact galactic faring species if for nothing else but risk-assessment.

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ok.. I agree... we are definitely earth bound, we obviously dont have the technology to even be a potential space-neighbour let alone any form of threat.

and yet it seems that at periods throughout history that we have stories from the early egyptians, myans, chinese etc aluding to things that move in the sky...We have stories today of pilots that see things that are not normal aircraft.

Is there some sort of pattern to this?.. if so is there any consistency
Are we all just too curious or are we simply ALL deluded?. Could it simply be experimental aircraft? .. that may explain todays environment but does not explain the egyptions 2500 years ago.

Do we as humans and as society seek fanciful answers to imaginary questions, and if so why what would drive humans to do this?

ok.. I agree... we are definitely earth bound, we obviously dont have the technology to even be a potential space-neighbour let alone any form of threat.

and yet it seems that at periods throughout history that we have stories from the early egyptians, myans, chinese etc aluding to things that move in the sky...We have stories today of pilots that see things that are not normal aircraft.

Perhaps sometimes they break-protocol and give us a bit of a fly-by. Or maybe they were here 25,000 years ago when earth was 'high-tech' if they were, would any evidence survive 25,000 years, or could it even be found (undergroun where??)

Is there some sort of pattern to this?.. if so is there any consistency
Are we all just too curious or are we simply ALL deluded?. Could it simply be experimental aircraft? .. that may explain todays environment but does not explain the egyptions 2500 years ago.

I agree, there seem to be far too many sitings for too long. Sightings have increased in the last 50 years significantly (some would say this is increased delusion and replacing god with aliens) but i would think it is more to do with education and technology (to record/observe), which was not available 50-75 years ago.

Do we as humans and as society seek fanciful answers to imaginary questions, and if so why what would drive humans to do this?

Look at the bible!

In my opinion I think it has a lot to do with peoples realities. Or how they percieve reality.

Some people believe the Earth was created in 7 days (or is it 6 with 1 day rest!) others believe in the multiverse, most people may not even know what a multiverse is..... it probably comes back to their respective world view, which will change over time (just very damn slowly!).

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ok.. I agree... we are definitely earth bound, we obviously dont have the technology to even be a potential space-neighbour let alone any form of threat.

We could bring the wrath of God onto them (since of late we seem to think more and more we are somehow God's favorites and we can call on him to justify our agendas)

and yet it seems that at periods throughout history that we have stories from the early egyptians, myans, chinese etc aluding to things that move in the sky...We have stories today of pilots that see things that are not normal aircraft.

aahh! The sweet, sweet taste of pure oxygen being fed to your lungs...

Is there some sort of pattern to this?.. if so is there any consistency
Are we all just too curious or are we simply ALL deluded?.

The mind is a delusion generator (see Adam's "Gods Debris")

Could it simply be experimental aircraft? .. that may explain todays environment but does not explain the egyptions 2500 years ago.

Actually, it was their own version of the Sci-Fi channel (Ra-style)

Do we as humans and as society seek fanciful answers to imaginary questions, and if so why what would drive humans to do this?

Curiosity, fear of the unknown, fear of being all alone.
Or... maybe we are just crazy baboons with delusions of "self awareness" and "intelligence".

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There are three basic types, Mr. Pizer, the wills, the won'ts, and the can'ts. The wills accomplish everything, the won'ts oppose everything, and the can'ts won't try anything.

and yet it seems that at periods throughout history that we have stories from the early egyptians, myans, chinese etc aluding to things that move in the sky...We have stories today of pilots that see things that are not normal aircraft.

aahh! The sweet, sweet taste of pure oxygen being fed to your lungs...

?? not quite sure what you mean

and yet it seems that at periods throughout history that we have stories from the early egyptians, myans, chinese etc aluding to things that move in the sky...We have stories today of pilots that see things that are not normal aircraft.

aahh! The sweet, sweet taste of pure oxygen being fed to your lungs...

?? not quite sure what you mean

Pretty sure that he is trying to tell us that pure oxygen causes delusions....lol

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and yet it seems that at periods throughout history that we have stories from the early egyptians, myans, chinese etc aluding to things that move in the sky...We have stories today of pilots that see things that are not normal aircraft.

aahh! The sweet, sweet taste of pure oxygen being fed to your lungs...

?? not quite sure what you mean

Pretty sure that he is trying to tell us that pure oxygen causes delusions....lol

No, that's what you thought he tried to tell us, you delusional pure-oxygen-breather! :-)

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